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HARK! · Saturday at 7:29 PM

Bradskii said:
Which is not the subject of this discussion

Did you bother to read the title of this thread?

Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported

DaisyDay · Saturday at 7:29 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
All I care about is that the wife beating gangster is going to be old news as he should have been when he was sent to El Salvador.

Trump downplays domestic violence in speech about religious freedom

In a speech about religious freedom, Trump talks about domestic violence and crime stats in Washington, D.C.,

19thnews.org

“They said, ‘Crime’s down 87 percent.’ I said, no, no, no — it’s more than 87 percent, virtually nothing. And much lesser things, things that take place in the home they call crime. You know, they’ll do anything they can to find something. If a man has a little fight with the wife, they say this was a crime. See? So now I can’t claim 100 percent but we are. We are a safe city,” Trump said.

The president’s comments were part of a speech he delivered at the Religious Liberty Commission’s meeting at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.

HARK! · Saturday at 7:28 PM

Bradskii said:
No. She's in charge of justice. The clue is in the name of the department that she runs. She's in charge of making sure that criminals pay the price for their crimes. Oh, except if they're an illegal immigrant. Then they don't have to.

Again, immigration cases aren't tried in criminal courts.

We've gone over this ad nausean.

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:27 PM

HARK! said:
I thought that I already made it clear that illegal migration...

Which is not the subject of this discussion. The subject is how someone can avoid even being charged for serious crimes, including paedophilia, people trafficking women and children and murder simply because they are an illegal immigrant.

rjs330 · Saturday at 7:26 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
We used to have presidents who stayed out of things like this. In fact, I remember when a young man, Trayvon Martin was killed and President Obama weighed in on the case it cause quite a stink on the right. People accused him of being divisive and fanning the flames of racism in the country.

Thats because the left was making it a RACIST thing. So I guess we can say once again Obama was the great divider that started a lot of the division. He weighed in on more than one incident.

BPPLEE · Saturday at 7:26 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to soften our tendency to judge. And sudden, violent death — especially one as gruesome and shocking as this one — can push us toward hagiography, especially in the immediate wake of the killing.

So it goes for Kirk.
<snip>
There is no doubt that Kirk was influential, no doubt that he had millions of devoted fans. But it is difficult to square this idealized portrait of Kirk as model citizen with the man as he was.

Kirk’s eulogists have praised him for his commitment to discourse, dialogue and good-faith discussion. Few if any of them have seen fit to mention the fact that Kirk’s first act on the national stage was to create a McCarthyite watchlist of college and university professors, lecturers and academics. Kirk urged visitors to the website to report those who “discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.”

So? Kirk was not a senator or a person of authority in any capacity.
What's wrong with calling out professors who discriminate against conservatives?

HARK! · Saturday at 7:26 PM

Bradskii said:
Well, I'll complain every day and twice on a Sunday about not giving anyone due process.

I already demonstrated that he was given due process under the law. You might want to review that information again.

We've gone over this ad nausean.

Oompa Loompa · Saturday at 7:26 PM

Bradskii said:
Then you don't care about the women he beat, the women and children he trafficked, the child from whom he procured sexual videos and the murder of the mother he was instrumental in murdering. Allegedly.

What a wonderful world.

Exile is justice enough for me. And I dont think anyone who opposes Trumps immigration policy has the moral authority to lecture me about not caring enough about women and children who are trafficked and become sex victims by drug cartels.

Maria Billingsley · Saturday at 7:25 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
sure?

Nah...I am sure not.

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:24 PM

HARK! said:
Bondi is not in charge of deportations.

No. She's in charge of justice. The clue is in the name of the department that she runs. She's in charge of making sure that criminals pay the price for their crimes. Oh, except if they're an illegal immigrant. Then they don't have to.

rjs330 · Saturday at 7:23 PM

BPPLEE said:
This will probably discourage outdoor speaking events. One guy came close to killing the president and another random guy succeeded in killing Kirk at outdoor events. I wouldn’t be surprised to see speaking events moving indoors.

I know this is why Ben Shapiro does his events indoors. Its because he can control rhe security for the event much better.

HARK! · Saturday at 7:22 PM

Bradskii said:
You made it clear that you disagreed with the previous administration being soft on crime by illegal immigrants. When you've spent I don't know how many posts advocating exactly the same for the current admin.

It's most definitely not acceptable and it's perfectly fine. Both at the same time!

Unbelievable...

I thought that I already made it clear that illegal migration has taken a 180 degree turn under this administration. If you see that as equivalency; then I don't know how I can present a logical argument that yo0u would comprehend.

Logical arguments are built on a premise that is an axiom.

If we can't agree on the self evident truth; then using logic is an exercise in futility.

iluvatar5150 · Saturday at 7:21 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
Are we allowed to actually quote his stance on the many issues our society has overcome since the plight of the abolitionists ?

sure?

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:21 PM

HARK! said:
Some on the Left will probably be whining, that this poor criminal was a victim of cruelty, for years to come, while at the same time complaining that the Trump administration let him off easy.

Well, I'll complain every day and twice on a Sunday about not giving anyone due process. But I will also complain that someone you have been told is guilty of people trafficking, assault, paedophilia and murder is not even going to be charged with those offences.

You? You think it's no problem. I can't even accuse you of being soft on crime. You are actually ignoring the crime.

Oompa Loompa · Saturday at 7:20 PM

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Did the president put the flag staff for the shooting victims or Floyd? Or the Democrats, that were murdered?

I dont understand the question.

Maria Billingsley · Saturday at 7:19 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to soften our tendency to judge. And sudden, violent death — especially one as gruesome and shocking as this one — can push us toward hagiography, especially in the immediate wake of the killing.

So it goes for Kirk.
<snip>
There is no doubt that Kirk was influential, no doubt that he had millions of devoted fans. But it is difficult to square this idealized portrait of Kirk as model citizen with the man as he was.

Kirk’s eulogists have praised him for his commitment to discourse, dialogue and good-faith discussion. Few if any of them have seen fit to mention the fact that Kirk’s first act on the national stage was to create a McCarthyite watchlist of college and university professors, lecturers and academics. Kirk urged visitors to the website to report those who “discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.”

Are we allowed to actually quote his stance on the many issues our society has overcome since the plight of the abolitionists ?

BPPLEE · Saturday at 7:18 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Calling your bluff. Citation please and I would like direct quotes.

He said the attack was awful but he did call for a patriot to come forward and post bail for the attacker

Sif · Saturday at 7:18 PM

Some things I read today. At least they made me think.

"When a reconciliation is effected (between two parties) after a great animosity, there is sure to be a grudge remaining (in the mind of the one who was wrong). And how can this be beneficial (to the other)?
Therefore (to guard against this), the sage keeps the left-hand portion of the record of the engagement and does not insist on the (speedy) fulfilment of it by the other party. (So), he who has the attributes (of the Tao) regards (only) the conditions of the engagement, while he who has not those attributes regards only the conditions favorable to himself.
In the Way of Heaven, there is no partiality of love; it is always on the side of the good." Tao te Ching, Chapter 79

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ’But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Gospel of Matthew 5:43-48

"The sage has no concern for himself but makes the concerns of others his own.
He is good to those who are good. He is also good to those who are not good. That is the virtue of good. He is faithful to people who are faithful. He is also faithful to people who are not faithful. That is the virtue of faithfulness. The sage is one with the world, And lives in harmony with it. People turn their eyes and ears to him, And the sage cares for them like his own children." Tao te Ching, Chapter 49

“Begin the morning by saying to thyself, I shall meet with the busybody, the ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious, unsocial. All these things happen to them by reason of their ignorance of what is good and evil. But I who have seen the nature of the good that it is beautiful, and of the bad that it is ugly, and the nature of him who does wrong, that it is akin to me, not [only] of the same blood or seed, but that it participates in [the same] intelligence and [the same] portion of the divinity, I can neither be injured by any of them, for no one can fix on me what is ugly, nor can I be angry with my kinsman, nor hate him. For we are made for co-operation, like feet, like hands, like eyelids, like the rows of the upper and lower teeth. To act against one another then is contrary to nature; and it is acting against one another to be vexed and to turn away.” Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, Chapter 2

HARK! · Saturday at 7:17 PM

Bradskii said:
Some confusion there, my friend.

Yes, I've seen a pattern of confusion in your assertions.

Bondi is not in charge of deportations. That would be Homan.

Criminal cases can take years to come to trial. In the mean time Homan deported Garcia for his crime of entering the US illegally.

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:17 PM

HARK! said:
Strawman

He committed the criminal act of entering our country illegally. He was deported.

And completely let off for the extremely serious crimes that Bondi insisted he be charged with. Weren't you just complaining about the last administration doing the same?

William J · Saturday at 7:14 PM

I pray that God would strengthen your prayer life and make it easy for you to talk to Him. In Jesus' name, amen.

Bradskii · Saturday at 7:14 PM

HARK! said:
I thought that I already made it clear...

You made it clear that you disagreed with the previous administration being soft on crime by illegal immigrants. When you've spent I don't know how many posts advocating exactly the same for the current admin.

It's most definitely not acceptable and it's perfectly fine. Both at the same time!

Unbelievable...

sjastro · Saturday at 7:14 PM

The Barbarian said:
That's an interesting idea. Can you show how any phenomenon of evolution is prohibited by mechanics or thermodynamics?

Right. So let's see your argument, here.

Edit, regarding your windmill comment; there is evidence that massive wind farms say 10 km wide can indeed increase local warming. Not remotely like the effects of fossil fuels, but not negligible. So you have that right. No magic energy; thermodynamics always wins.

What the evidence shows which was completely ignored by the resident genius is at night local warming at and near the surface occurs.

During the day the opposite occurs to due thermal updraft caused by warming of the surface which destabilizes conditions and results in cooling.

Oompa Loompa · Saturday at 7:13 PM

NxNW said:
He praised Pelosi's attacker. He was fine with using a hammer.

Calling your bluff. Citation please and I would like direct quotes.

Oompa Loompa · Saturday at 7:12 PM

NxNW said:
Why do you think his MAGA family were a leftist influence?

Do you understand the definition of a "rebellious child?"

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