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Mercy Shown · Oct 13, 2025

Dan Perez said:
and here is Rom 3:20. says. !!

# 1 THEREFORE //. DI0TI. , is. a Conjuncation.

# 2 BY //. EK. , is. a PREPOSTION

#. 3 THE DEEDS // ERGON

# 4. OF THE LAW //. NOMOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER

# 5. THERE SHALL //. DIKAIOO. , in. the FUTURE TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 6 NO //. OU. , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 7 FLESH. //. SARX. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the. SIGNULAR

#. 8 BE JUSTIFIED. //. DIKAOO. in. the FUTURE TEHSE. , in the. INDICATIVE MOOD. and this mood means you better believe it

in the SINGULAR

# 9. IN HIS ?? AUTOS. , is. a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 10 SIGHT //. ENOPION. is an. ADVERB

# 11. FOR // GAR , is. a CONJUNCATION

# 12 BY // DIA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 13 THE. LAW // NOMOS . in. the. GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 14. IS THE KNOWLEDGE // EPIGNOSIS. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 15. OF SIN // HARARTIS. . in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

So what say you. ??

dan p

Ok. Let me set this up in a table format.

#	English	Greek	Grammar Notes	Meaning/Comment
1	Therefore	διότι (dioti)	Conjunction	“Therefore,” connecting logical ideas.
2	By	ἐκ (ek)	Preposition	“Out of” or “by means of.”
3	The deeds	ἔργων (ergon)	Genitive plural of ergon	“Works” or “deeds.” The genitive ties it to “law.”
4	Of the law	νόμου (nomou)	Genitive singular, neuter	“Of law.” Combined: “works of the law.”
5	There shall…be justified	δικαιωθήσεται (dikaiōthēsetai)	Future tense, passive voice, indicative mood	“Will be justified.” Future and passive = “will be declared righteous (by another).”
6	No	οὐ (ou)	Negative particle	Makes the verb negative — “no one will be justified.”
7	Flesh	σὰρξ (sarx)	Nominative singular	“Flesh,” i.e. human being.
8	Be justified	(repeated)	As above	He repeats the point about tense and mood — the indicative means this is a factual statement, not hypothetical.
9	In His	αὐτοῦ (autou)	Genitive singular pronoun	“In His (sight)” — referring to God.
10	Sight	ἐνώπιον (enōpion)	Adverb/preposition	“Before” or “in the presence of.”
11	For	γάρ (gar)	Conjunction	Explains the reason.
12	By	διὰ (dia)	Preposition	“Through” — means or instrument.
13	The law	νόμου (nomou)	Genitive singular	“Through the law.”
14	Is the knowledge	ἐπίγνωσις (epignōsis)	Nominative singular	“Full knowledge” or “recognition.”
15	Of sin	ἁμαρτίας (hamartias)	Genitive singular	“Of sin.”

Yes, it is true. Our righteousness must come from Christ alone and then we will be justified to the law.

RDKirk · Oct 13, 2025

I also think that Job knew of God's existence through observation of creation, not through direct revelation or scripture or oral tales.

God relates to Job solely though the examples of His authority and power as shown by creation.

Vambram · Oct 13, 2025

Amen and praise the Lord

RDKirk · Oct 13, 2025

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Some people opine that the altar to the Unknown God was the effort of the Greeks to shotgun worship in all directions, just to make sure they didn't miss any gods.

24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25 Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. -- Acts 17

Among Greek philosophers, especially by Paul’s day, there was a distinct that pointed toward a singular, ultimate divinity, one not identified with any of the anthropomorphic Olympians. They arrived at this concept through study of the order and predictability of celestial movements and events...just as Psalm 19 says is possible.

Key strands of this idea include:

Plato’s “Form of the Good” in the Republic, the ultimate cause of all being and order, transcending even the gods of myth.

Aristotle’s “Unmoved Mover” in the Metaphysics, a perfect, eternal intellect responsible for the order of celestial motion.

Stoicism’s “Logos," a rational divine principle immanent in nature, giving coherence and structure to all things.

Epimenides of Crete, whom Paul actually quotes in Acts 17:28 (“In him we live and move and have our being”), had written of a God who could not be represented by idols and who was beyond all names.

By the 1st century AD, educated Athenians were well aware of this philosophical “Unknown God," a transcendent, rational, universal deity responsible for the order and predictability of the cosmos.

So when Paul says,

“Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you,”

Paul is making a rhetorical move. He is identifying the Abrahamic God with this unnamed divine principle that Greek philosophers already suspected existed. He’s effectively saying: “That ultimate mind, the one beyond Zeus and the others--the one you can sense but not name--that’s the God I’m telling you about.”

However, it must also be said that realizing God exists and acknowledging Him as one's Lord are two different propositions, which is why in Romans 1 Paul can rail against those who realize God exists but refuse to acknowledge Him. Their knowledge condemns them.

Vambram · Oct 13, 2025

Fantine said:
Extorting rare earth minerals from desperate countries in return for help?

And we can't forget the reign of terror by ICE agents and unwanted, unneeded federal troops. With every sentence he spreads hatred and division.

He is NOT extorting anything from other nations.
In America, the only people who are describing ICE and National Guard troops as a reign of terror are far left progressive liberals. In fact, I believe that far left progressives are the people spreading divisions and hatred.

Bob Crowley · Oct 13, 2025

Purely personal but lately I've been wondering just when I first made my Christian confession.

I knew it was shortly after the Commonwealth Games in Brisbane in 1982, which ran from 30 September to 9 October 1982.

I had the flu at the time and I couldn't do anything except watch TV. I don't normally watch sport, but since there wasn't much else on I watched a fair bit of the games. Two names readily come to mind - Tracey WIckham who won medals in swimming and Robert de Castella ("Deek") who won the marathon. Some years later my then Presbyterian pastor said of Tracey Wickham that she would go through a terrible time, which she did.

It was not a good time in my life. I was out of work, going through a divorce, going to lose the home I was paying off etc.

But as I sat there a very persistent image of the "Newmarket Presbyterian Church" kept intruding into my mind. I'd had a bit of Sunday School when I was young at that church. It's a private home now, but at that time it was still going.

This image just didn't go away. It was persistent. Since I had nothing to lose and was thinking "There's got to be more to life than this!" I ended up going to the church after the Games finished and the flu was gone. A few weeks later I made a confession.

For some reason I've recently started trying to remember when I made my confession. I think it was probably in the early part of November. Using AI I got the following dates for Sunday in November 1982 - 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th.

I suspect it might have been November 14, 1982. I remember making my confession, half reluctantly, and then going home feeling as though I was "walking on air" (to quote another chap who had the same experience after he made his confession, years earlier than I did as he's nearly 20 years older).

In turn I met the pastor of that church (there were three churches in the parish, Wilston-Windsor-Newmarket). I soon gravitated to Wilston which was the main church and where he had his office. Of the three churches it is the only one still going as Newmarket was sold off, and while I think they may still have the property rights for Windsor, it is not being used.

The website for the Wilston Church follows and I can still recognise at least four people even though I haven't been there for 34 years - a former treasurer and his wife, an elder, and another lady who also did some organisation at the Masters Athletics.

Wilston Presbyterian Church – Wilston Presbyterian Church

www.wilstonpc.org.au

In this scene, there is a door down towards the right hand end, which is the office where the pastor and I had a lot of dicussions. There was also a gym under the church. I enjoyed my time there, not because it was "Presbyterian" but due to the people.

About – Wilston Presbyterian Church

www.wilstonpc.org.au

Incidentally the Presbyterian Church of Queensland is in receivership, not because of parish churches themselves or pedophile court cases which have been a burden to a number of churches, but due to financial mishandling of their aged care facilities. Apparently the aged care function was not a separate business entity from the Presbyterian Church itself.

Presbyterian Church of Queensland put into receivership

The Presbyterian Church of Queensland, which also operates a Toowoomba private school and aged care provider PresCare, is placed into receivership.

www.abc.net.au

The night my father died (when I was still atheist) he predicted I'd become Christian and that as part of that I'd meet a certain pastor, who would "discourage (me) even more". That turned out to be the Presbyterian pastor as he admitted circa 1991 that "You needed encouragement, but all I've done is to discourage you even more!", quoting my deceased father back to me word for word.

But I learnt a lot from him and still hold him with a lot of respect. In turn he predicted I'd become Catholic, which I did circa 1996/97.

I received a Bible dated 7/12/96 as part of RCIA which was probably during the Rite of Welcome. This implies I was inducted into the Catholic Church during the Easter Vigil in 1997, which happened to be on 29 March, 1997.

So I think I've managed to pin those two dates down. Just a bit of useless information for forum readers.

Christsfreeservant · Oct 13, 2025

RocksInMyHead · Oct 13, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
He's had accomplishments that are viewed as positive. Operation Warp Speed, his involvement in some middle east peace deals like the Abraham Accords, his involvement in getting the First Step Act pushed through, the opioid support act... those aren't "nothing".

They're not nothing, but they're also far from groundbreaking or revolutionary. Of those, only the Abraham Accords and Trump's general work on middle east peace have the potential to be a real legacy of his administration, but that requires those treaties to actually stick. If we're back to the same squabbles and conflicts in a few years, then they'll just get added to the list of failed middle east peace plans.

HARK! · Oct 13, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.

Yah's word makes no distinction for ceremonial law. That's man made dogma; and dogma was nailed to the pale with Messiah.

The torah is the torah.

That said the 7th day shabbat is no less a ceremony than any other of Yah's shabbats.

HARK! · Oct 13, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Scripture please.

(CLV) Lv 25:2
Speak to the sons of Israel, and you will say to them: When you |come into the land that I am giving to you, the land will pause for a sabbath to Yahweh.

SabbathBlessings said:
It served as the same purpose.

YHWH gave ver specific instructions for the construction of the tent of meeting. How can the temple be the same and not meet those specifications?

SabbathBlessings said:
If you want to continue animal offerings despite Heb 10:1-1- Heb 9:10-15 Col 2:14-17 that's your choice.

Paul did at James' (The highest authority on earth after Yahshua's ascension) instruction.

Did James and Paul have it all wrong?

SabbathBlessings said:
If you want to continue animal offerings despite Heb 10:1-1- Heb 9:10-15 Col 2:14-17 that's your choice.

You still have yet to point out where any of those verses. say what you are asserting that they say.

I suspect that I know why; because I know that they don't.

SabbathBlessings said:
Romans 12:1 12 I beseech[a] you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice

How does that verse fit in with your previous assertion?

Is that sacrifice not a sacrifice?

SabbathBlessings said:
Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

Rev 8:3 Then another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand.

I already provided scripture that demonstrated that the sacrifices will never end, even in the kingdom to come.

HARK! said:
(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Isa 56:8
Averring is my Lord Yahweh, Convener of the expelled of Israel: I shall convene more to him besides those being convened to him.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

BTW, the Kingdom to come has not yet been fulfilled. See Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot.

SabbathBlessings said:
Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered?

Exactly! Do you not understand what this verse this verse means?

Blood sacrifices were not even required for sin. Flour or even money would do, When the Hebrews were swept off to Babylon, all that they needed to do is repent. That means obey the Torah.

SabbathBlessings said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,

That's right. The message has been the same form the beginning. The prophets came with the same message. John the Baptist came with the same message. Yahshua came with the same message.

"Obey."

SabbathBlessings said:
10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Sanctified = holy = Kadosh (dedicated in Hebrew.)

Do you believe that you can reject Yah's word and remain Kadosh?

SabbathBlessings said:
1 Cor 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Do you honor Yah's Passover in remembrance of how Yah delivered us from bondage as Yah instructs (forever as Yah instructs); and in remembrance of Yah's (Ya) salvation (shua) as Yashua instructed?

Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall. ~Yahshua

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus ended all sacrifices,

That is not what I have repeatedly pointed out with scripture, verbatim. (Not man made dogma)

PTW · Oct 13, 2025

Eric

Free2bHeretical4Him! · Oct 13, 2025

Carl Emerson said:
PM me if you want to privately share more detail - I can sit with you in the dust.

Life can be real tough.

Carl, that is a beautiful offer. Just remember, Jobs friends sat silently and comforted him for seven days; then they opened their mouths. Choose your words wisely brother. May they be few and may those that are spoken be seasoned with the Spirit of truth and grace.

blessings

PTW · Oct 13, 2025

Yum!

Lasagna?

RocksInMyHead · Oct 13, 2025

bèlla said:
It isn’t unlawful to earn a living and violence is common at funerals involving gang members. The demographic attracts it.

~bella

Never said that it was illegal. But you should be skeptical when someone takes to social media to talk up events that would make you want to pay them for their services - that's an ad, not a public service.

RDKirk · Oct 13, 2025

bèlla said:
She felt it was too much and decided they’d skip it instead. The comments includes parents and educators recounting similar experiences. That’s why they’re sounding the alarm because they’re behind and the gap is increasing. We see similar trends in adult literacy.

~bella

Back in the 60s we didn't have nearly as much homework, yet we graduated with a higher level of basic literacy. We took home a couple of worksheets and a book or two. Since the 80s, students have been bending their backs under loads of books. The whole backpack thing emerged in the 80s simply because kids were bringing home so many books.

My grandmother, who was a sharecropper as a child and then a Great Depression farm wife with only an eighth grade education, taught her five children to read before they started school. Then she taught me to read before I started school. To know her, to speak to her, to do business with her, nobody would guess that she had only an eighth-grade education. Maybe she was a prodigy, but I doubt it.

Learning to read is not difficult. It shouldn't take an adult more than a couple of months to learn to read phonetically...unlike young children, they'll already have speaking vocabulary.

I cannot understand how the school system can have a child in a classroom for 12 years and manage not to teach them to read.

bbbbbbb · Oct 13, 2025

Aaron112 said:
Those in the grave cannot speak nor hear anything.
Nothing in Scripture so far proves anyone spends eternity burning in the lake of fire. Destroyed yes. Don't add to God's Word.
The ones who perished in the flood were altogether wicked and refused to be saved .

Thank you for the confirmation of the point I made in Post #16. It is much appreciated.

Arctangent · Oct 13, 2025

JohnB445 said:
I have seen a documentary of preppers, a bunker underground, radiation detectors and protective gear, a years worth of food and water supplies, generators.

I have no idea how much money that costs, but from what it looks like I don't think most people could afford to do that. How much do you believe Christians should prepare? Should they do everything they can to get to that level of prepping or do you think that's too much?

We have probably a couple months worth of food preserved and set aside.

We have a freeze dryer and a pressure canner with food and meals put aside from them, and we also have a stock of canned meat (such as SPAM, sardines, tuna, etc), peanut butter, rice, beans, etc.

We have multiple 5-gal jugs of drinking water, and a bunch of liquor to use as a bartering currency (as well as jars to portion them out with).

We have a generator, and we're getting a plumber out soon to run a connection from our natural gas line to it so that we don't have to rely on gasoline (it is tri-fuel, so we COULD use gasoline or propane as well).

Lastly, we have plenty of ammo, and enough different calibers to shoot any animal of any size that lives in our region, should we need to hunt for more meat.

Hentenza · Oct 13, 2025

BobRyan said:
until you read the New Covenant in Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8 "I will make a NEW Covenant.. this IS the Covenant.. I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind..."

Both Jeremiah and the writer of Hebrews are clear that this new covenant is for the House of Israel not for the gentiles and the Christian church. This new covenant with the house of Israel remains in effect until the end of the time of the gentiles.

BobRyan said:
Turns out... God's Law is there.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 1:19

The 2 commandments of Christ.

BobRyan said:
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3-4

The 2 commandments of Christ.

BobRyan said:
"saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

The 2 commandments of Christ.

BobRyan said:
where "Honor your father and mother .. is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2

Yes. There is nothing wrong with the commandment. The difference is all of the law including the Ten Commandments are fulfilled in one of Jesus commandments.

“For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”

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BobRyan said:
John 14:15 "if you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

The 2 commandments of Jesus.

BobRyan said:
Matt 19:16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 ..; if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

20 The young man *said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

Notice that Jesus quotes exclusively from the Law of Moses, primarily from THE THEN and the man questioning Him knows full well what commandments Jesus is referring to

Jesus came to preach to the Jew first and this is what He is doing here. This chapter of Matthew is pre crucifixion so Jesus had not yet fulfilled the law.

BobRyan said:
Indeed the Jer 31:31-34 NEW Covenant (also reference in Heb 8) references the Commandments of God known in Matt 19, known in Ex 20, Known in Jer 31

Jer 31 and Heb 8 both say the New Covenant "Writes God's Law on the heart" and Heb 8 says that is what Jesus' Law is

There is no "summarize AND TAKE OVER" in all of scripture.
I prefer the actual Bible. In Matt 22 Jesus said all of scripture and all of the Law of God rests on the solid foundation of these two commandments in the LAW of MOSES

1. Love God with all your heart Deut 6:5
2. Love your neighbor as yourself Lev 19:18

Lev 19 and Deut 6 were not "Deleting all the Law and all scripture"

The law has not been deleted but fulfilled. Jesus met and exceeded the terms of the old covenant and fulfilled (completed) the law. Jesus was the only man that was able to keep the law perfectly.

BobRyan said:
false.

Very true and the result of Christ sacrifice. Christ redeemed the believer from the curse of the law (Gal. 3:13). why would we need redeeming from the law? Because the law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12).

BobRyan said:
'Do not make graven images , bown down to them or serve them" in Ex 20 was not "Abolished at the cross"
"Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20 was not "Abolished at the cross"

Rom 3:31 'Do we then abolish the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law"

“Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭27‬-‭31‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 3:27-31 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the G | New American Standard Bible - NA

Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the G

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The verse you cited does not say what you think it says. Is God the God of Jews only? He is not the God of the gentiles also? Both the Jew and the gentile will be justified through faith. So the law remains for those that are yet to come to Christ. The whole of the OT is Cristological meaning that is about the coming of the savior. It shows us the need for the savior.

BobRyan said:
Jer 31:3134 is written to ALL the NT church, Eph 2 pojnts out that both Jewish Christians and Gentiles Christians are one single group. Just as does Rom 11 say the same thing.

““Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.””
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31‬:‭31‬-‭34‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took | New American Standard Bible -

“Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took

bible.com

The covenant is with the house of Israel not with the gentiles or the church. The verses are clear.

BobRyan said:
The point remain

slicing up the New Testament to avoid scripture that does not fit your preference is not good exegeses

And resurrected after it ended

Not one single text says that the first day of the week "is the Lord's day" -- as we all know.

Acts 1 says that Jesus appeared to them for 40 days after His resurrection... a lot of not-Sundays in that list

Acts 18:4 Paul was in worship services preaching the Gospel "Every Sabbath"
Is 66:23 says that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"

Even though "do not take God's name in vain" is never quoted in the NT --- it is still Gods Command and would still be sin to do it.

As we all know

And reading scripture through the lense of the continuation of the law is unorthodox and unsupported by scripture. ALL of the apostles kept the Sabbath in order to evangelize the Jews. Paul even said that:

“To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9‬:‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Corinthians 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under | New American Standard Bible

To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under

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Why would Paul want to gain those under the law? If being under the law is still required then Paul here is bipolar.

Brother, the Christian is NOT under the law. Jesus redeemed us from the law. The law only remains to the Jews that deny Christ as their savior.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 13, 2025

disciple Clint said:
what was it again that Obama did to win the Nobel Prize?? how soon we forget.

Obama wasn’t trying to win the prize. It was awarded to him. For Trump, peace just for the sake of peace isn’t enough. There needs to be some material reward to go along with it.

Dan Perez · Oct 13, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
I give up - thanks for trying, but your post is not understandable. Please forgive me - but I will not be responding to post in this style - I don't have a clue what you are trying to say.

AND I. am not offended. as there are. many that have different views. on this forum and salvation is a very big ISSUE.

as well as water baptism and that is why I use the English word and then The translated Greek word with the Tenses

and MOODS and CASES , because Greek word , could have many meanings. and then , anyone can check and see if

I am ADDING or TAKING. away words from the GREEK. TEXT and you will learn Greek word and to speak them

And we only Go around one time and when we die you can not come back and change you mind , especially when it

concerns SALVATION !!

But the best to you as I take the word of God SERIOULY. and if you ever enter the DISPENSATIONAL section. you. will see

that my number one concern is SALVATION as will see the differences their are , between. any forum. and remenber.

1 Cor 4:9 that THAT WE A THEATER to the world both to. ANGELS AND TO MAN. !!

BE CAREFUL. and if ANGELS are watching. SO IS CHRIST. so the BEST TO YOU !!

dan p

Tom D · Oct 13, 2025

bèlla said:
Dumbing down is real. Curriculums aren’t as rigorous, parents are less involved, teachers are quitting in droves and students can’t do the work. There’s a correlation with technology and attention spans are getting shorter every year. Ai will make things worse. Some are pushing against the trend through intentional learning like I shared the other day. They were concerned about brain rot and doom scrolling is common.

I prefer to educate children at home. That’s not a knock against schools but they’ll learn more in that environment and the curriculum can be Christ centered. Something along these lines with tweaks of course. Classical Christian education is rising in popularity.

What's on your mind? Friendship Court edition.

Regular family time? Eating dinner together? No, sorry, that's not the answer. I've already given a hint somewhere in this subforum.

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Stephen Hawking did not learn to read until he was eight years old, and he later attributed this delay to the "Progressive Methods". On the other hand, his sister learned to read at four years old with traditional methods.

Today, students in USA and Australia are mostly educated (or dis-educated?) with progressive elements -- most of them can't read properly, can't spell and are poor at maths.

RocksInMyHead · Oct 13, 2025

bèlla said:
I saw a video earlier from someone who consults with churches concerning security.

Consider that such a person may have an ulterior motive for stirring up fear over this issue - note that the video description is an ad for his company. He also gives no sources for this information.

JosephZ · Oct 13, 2025

Four people have been arrested for their involvement in the Leland mass shooting.

According to FBI Jackson, two of the four are facing capital murder charges, and the third is facing an attempted murder charge.

Teviyon L. Powell, 29 - Capital Murder
William Bryant, 29 - Capital Murder
Latoya A. Powell, 44 - Attempted Murder

The fourth person’s charges are listed by the FBI as capital murder. However, their identity has not yet been released.

BCP1928 · Oct 13, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
That's why I mentioned both Halal and Kosher slaughter in my post... they're very similar.

And it is practice that people would rightfully have some objections to their kids seeing while playing in the backyard on a random afternoon.

I don't know where you've seen this done, but that's not the way the Muslim religion requires it to be done and I expect the permit conditions wouldn't allow it.

ThatRobGuy said:
That's never been the progressive position on anything...sorry, but it hasn't.

It's my position. You aren't talking to a Progressive now.

ThatRobGuy said:
The California Prop 8 situation would be evidence that it's never been the progressive position to just "lay down and take it" when they don't have the votes to get their way.

Progressives are still pushing activism on 70/30 issues that they're on the losing end of.

When people are on the winning end of pure direct democracy, it's "Democracy is sacred, nothing is more important"
When people are on the losing end of pure direct democracy, it's time to trot out the "2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner" expression.

That doesn't make much sense. I don't know what your point is, but you make an impression, an impression of a person who is resentful that his values aren't being accorded as much respect as other peoples' and it's not fair because your values are the 'real true American values' and theirs are not. Or something like that.

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