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Hentenza · Oct 15, 2025

ViaCrucis said:
1) I think it's about time that the Democratic Party is retired. There are Democrats I respect, and I will on the whole vote Democrat because I think the Democratic platform, at least on paper, is more moral than the Republican platform. But I have precisely zero ounces of affection toward the Democratic Party. I would prefer a more robust, explicitly progressive party that is both clear--and honest--in its platforming about social justice and civil liberties. The Democratic Party, as it exists, is largely a center-right party that occasionally gives token nods to people on the left; and only appears liberal and progressive when compared to the Republican Party.

2) Where I think the Democratic Party is largely a ridiculous mess of mixed messaging, token support, and only still exists because it's been around for so long nobody knows what to do about it; the other Big Alternative--the Republican Party--as best as I can tell has degenerated to little more than a group of sniveling sycophants who are incapable of doing anything but licking Donald Trump's shoes. Either because they are afraid of the MAGA monster he--and they--created; or because MAGA is a useful tool they think they can control (they can't); or because some actually believe it. Perhaps a mix of all three.

I don't vote Democrat because I like the Democratic Party. I vote Democrat because I'm stuck with a political system where my choice is between unseasoned raw tofu or literal poison. So I guess I'm going with compromise and bland, because it's better than literal poison. The Democrats lack any spine to actually defend the American people from the power-hungry maniacs who want to rob and exploit us, but they'll at least make token efforts to not let it get too bad; on the contrary the Republicans seem highly invested in making everything worse for every American.

So at the end of the day all I can do is try to operate with a conscience informed by the Christian values I was raised to have: Love others, especially the least of these, and desire that my neighbor flourish. I may not get to vote for what I want, but at least I'm not voting to see my neighbors actively hurt because I think people who speak a different language or who look different than me are subhuman.

-CryptoLutheran

And yet the voters voted for the party that you call “literal poison” and Donald Trump. Progressive agendas and policies have been proven completely wrong and voters associate the Democratic Party to progressive ideas. A perfect example would be the soft on crime agenda of progressive DA’s and also the open borders stand. You stand in the minority preaching destructive progressive agendas. These will never win an election. Good luck.

bbbbbbb · Oct 15, 2025

Paulwat said:
Virtual

Virtual is not a thing.

bbbbbbb · Oct 15, 2025

Adonizedek

Hentenza · Oct 15, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I disagree, kids these days are more on the ball than ever before, they can work a mobile phone at five to six years old.

And yet they spend their time in Tik tok or other social media rather than learning.

seeking.IAM · Oct 15, 2025

And still Pfizer's stock price is in the toilet. They should have read The Art of the Deal.

bbbbbbb · Oct 15, 2025

Wonderfilled worshippers

eclipsenow · Oct 15, 2025

Hooray! You're saved! Except this is one little detail, and that is that Pfizer is only 11% of your drug supplies. Now Trump has to go around and beg and plead with your big farmer to all give the same deal as Pfizer.

How much more efficient means of bringing the cost of medicine down is to have the one massive drug purchasing government department that takes the one huge tender to the marketplace each year and says today we're buying paracetamol, who can give us the best price?

That's a tender everyone is going to bend over backwards to get because it is so huge, and so important, that it demands respect not just cheaper prices!

Australia's pharmaceutical benefits scheme or PBS operates on this method. It's one of the three main reasons our medicine and healthcare services are so much cheaper than yours.

The other two is I keep mentioning are that we have a single payer system called Medicare, and it pays for government owned and operated hospitals to perform healthcare services for essential lifesaving needs. It means Australians go to the doctor earlier get treated earlier get diagnosed earlier and it's all so much cheaper.

You guys pat twice what the average OECD nations pay - for far worse outcomes in health and longevity. In other words your system is so bad Americans do not have the same life expectancy as Australians! You are literally dying so that the CEOs of private hospitals and big pharma and big insurance can buy this second yacht.

It is costing your economy and costing lives.

And you think you should celebrate because Trump made one company promise to lower their outrageous profits in your nation a little bit? I think you need to spend more time reading international medical statistics to get the big picture.

You shouldn't be grateful, you should be outraged that so much more hasn't happened!

Do you care about the plight of the poor? No really? I'm really asking?

David Lamb · Oct 15, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I'm not talking about people on here, I'm talking about the general public at large.

I know you weren't talking about the people here. I just used the forums as an example of people we both really know about, so far as views on the moon landings are concerned. You can't know the views of everybody in the world.

Apple Sky · Oct 15, 2025

David Lamb said:
Sorry, but how can you state with such certainty that most of the world's population now believes that we didn't go to the moon? Just take the "population" of these Forums. There seem very few who believe that the moon landings were faked. Off the top of my head, the few include you, d taylor and Kathleen30. There may be one or two others whose names I've forgotten, but I would say that by far the majority here believe that the moon landings happened.

I'm not talking about people on here, I'm talking about the general public at large.

Aseyesee · Oct 15, 2025

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Did I ever say that?

We know His death put the proverbial nail in the judgement coffin for the devil and his messengers.

It was a logical question sourced out of what you said, not an accusation ...

Dan1988 · Oct 15, 2025

fhansen said:
As stated over and over in one way or another, grace precedes everything. He comes to and call us first. But then, if we answer the call, we must remain in Him. And I've seen far too many instances of those confident of their steadfastness, who failed to remain. Those who pesersevere to the end are the good soil.

The only problem with that is, 100% of believers fail to persevere or abide in Him. Because we are fallen creatures, we don't have the power to persevere. Our lust still cries out to be satisfied and it never stops crying out, until we die. This is why Jesus paid for the past present and future sins of His people.

We are not saved by keeping the law, we are saved because Jesus kept the law on our behalf. The good soil are Gods elect, whom He chose to save before the world was created. Each and every one of them will be saved not not a single one will be lost, no matter how much they sin.

It sounds like your still under the "covenant of the law" which they observed under the old covenant. But we are under a new covenant known as the "covenant of grace"

eclipsenow · Oct 15, 2025

Offshore wind is a really uniquely expensive form of renewable energy, yet it also has a lot of value and can form an essential part of a larger grid.

Solar is the cheapest, onshore wind power is next, and then offshore wind is probably double the cost of onshore. But the thing is offshore wind tends to run much larger turbines in a higher winds in periods where onshore wind is not happening. When the sun has gone down and the onshore wind isn't blowing there could be some offshore. And it's much cheaper to have multiples of renewables running a different times rather than trying back at all up with batteries.

Basically if you are not getting about 95% of your renewable energy live, then you simply haven't built enough! Over building renewables is cheaper than building more storage

eclipsenow · Oct 15, 2025

I just amazes me that Trump is so dedicated to rewarding his billionaire mates with tax cuts that he will shut the government down rather than guarantee the bottom 16 million will not be cut off healthcare!

Talk about stealing from the pool to give to the rich!

CoreyD · Oct 15, 2025

dms1972 said:
The point is that Phillip was sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Also sometimes they were directed not to go to a certain location, for example in Acts 16 : 6-7 we see the Holy Spirit keeping them from preaching in Asia, because God has a timetable for the spread of the Gospel.

dms1972 said:
If that's the case then the the chap mentioned seemed like a lone-ranger, going onto a campus where he wasn't a student.

dms1972 said:
Certainly Evangelism is to be done through the local church, and it is of course necessary to get people to the point of being able to take part in such evangelistic outreach and not everyone is equipped. But it clearly involves both outreach and building up.

I was trying to imagine the body of Christ having one single member that did not evangelize, or declare the Gospel.
I already knew it would be impossible for me to do so, but can you for one moment imagine that?

I'd be surprised if you could, because Jesus trained, and still does, all of his followers to preach and teach - evangelize, or declare the Gospel.
We can trace this from the very beginning, in the scriptures. Matthew 9:35-10:42
Jesus was walking with, and teaching his disciples, both by word and example, long before selecting the 12 apostles, and though the 12 were to be the foundation stones of the spiritual house God was building, there were many more disciples who were with them in the ministry. Luke 6:12-17

12 ...He went off to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer with God. 13 And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:...
17 And then Jesus came down with them and stood on a level place; and there was a large crowd of His disciples, and a great multitude of the people.

Luke 10:1, 2

At Matthew 9:36-38 Jesus said something to his disciples that showed why preaching the Gospel would be the primary focus. Those words are in full harmony with 1 Timothy 2:3, 4
So, two things we can take away here, is...

Every member of the body of Christ is engaged in the public ministry preaching and teaching to make disciples. Matthew 28:18-20; 2 Timothy 4:1-5
The public ministry of preaching the Gospel of the kingdom is the most important assignment given by Jesus Christ as a means of salvation to all who listen. Matthew 24:14; Romans 10:11-15

So, yes, many say they are of the body of Christ, but if they aren't zealously preaching and teaching to their neighbors, then remember the slave that was given the talent, and went off and buried it.
Also, if they are a "Lone Ranger' ask them what happened to the other members of the body.

dms1972 said:
The odd thing is I see this video, and I see other videos of lone-rangers setting up their box in some city square by themselves. It ends the same way most times. The Police are sometimes called and the "evangelist" is moved on for his own safety, then he posts the video of his "mistreatment".

Apologetics and evangelism done in this manner is sometimes little more than a game. It then become necessary to explain to non-christians that what they have been subjected to at times was not a genuine christian witness nor apologetics, before we can get a hearing. Some will be harder to reach because of having been subjected to some sort of toxic "evangelism" in the past.

In my experience, once you show people the scriptures, as to how something was done by Jesus and his followers, and what the scriptures say precisely on the subject, honest-hearted individuals usually accept it quite willingly... because they see it in the Bible.

BCP1928 · Oct 15, 2025

ThatRobGuy said:
I mean, do you want me to post a video or two? It's not a pleasant thing to watch.

I have watched it. Properly done it is considered the most humane way of slaughtering an animal.

ThatRobGuy said:
It's even less pleasant when you realize that they think it means they're "putting their sins" on that animal, and killing it for something they did...

"Some living thing has to suffer and pay the price for the naughty thoughts I've had, but it's not gonna be me" is borderline sociopathic.

My values would actually lean more towards the left-libertarian quadrant of this graph

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Are my values more in-line with the American ideal than that of someone who prefers an authoritarian or theocratic power structure, but simply moved here because "that's where the jobs are"? I'd say yes.

The values you seem most concerned about seem mostly to do with sex, not politics, but given the current political situation, if you are fearful of those who prefer authoritarian or theocratic government, then your own fellow citizens are your greatest danger.

Apple Sky · Oct 15, 2025

Hentenza said:
Kids these days get a good portion of their knowledge from social media and their critical thinking skills are dismal. Many have very little to no knowledge of history. It’s a pity really.

I disagree, kids these days are more on the ball than ever before, they can work a mobile phone at five to six years old.

Hentenza · Oct 15, 2025

fhansen said:
Augustine put it this way:
"God wrote on tablets of stone that which man failed to read in his heart."

The law is already written inside of us, which is why sin is possible, because we should know better. But it's dimmed down, obscured, overridden by the Fall, by our separation from the Creator and His authority over us. And that law is the same that Jesus and Paul reference specifically when telling us what we must do or when describing the revealed righteousness that is correct in itself even if it cannot cause us to be correct: the decalogue.

So you choose which commandments of the tablet of 10 to follow then because, for one, you or your church do not keep the 4th commandment. I warned you to be careful of your answer but you were not.

ViaCrucis · Oct 15, 2025

Hentenza said:
As an independent it amazes me that the Democratic Party put out such a horrible message that Trump won the election. If I was a democrat I would definitely be fighting to change the platform and direction of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is an embarrassment just as the Republican Party. Obviously the voters thought that the Democratic Party was worse than the Republican Party. Both parties have drifted to the extremes. Stop whining and force your party to change.

1) I think it's about time that the Democratic Party is retired. There are Democrats I respect, and I will on the whole vote Democrat because I think the Democratic platform, at least on paper, is more moral than the Republican platform. But I have precisely zero ounces of affection toward the Democratic Party. I would prefer a more robust, explicitly progressive party that is both clear--and honest--in its platforming about social justice and civil liberties. The Democratic Party, as it exists, is largely a center-right party that occasionally gives token nods to people on the left; and only appears liberal and progressive when compared to the Republican Party.

2) Where I think the Democratic Party is largely a ridiculous mess of mixed messaging, token support, and only still exists because it's been around for so long nobody knows what to do about it; the other Big Alternative--the Republican Party--as best as I can tell has degenerated to little more than a group of sniveling sycophants who are incapable of doing anything but licking Donald Trump's shoes. Either because they are afraid of the MAGA monster he--and they--created; or because MAGA is a useful tool they think they can control (they can't); or because some actually believe it. Perhaps a mix of all three.

I don't vote Democrat because I like the Democratic Party. I vote Democrat because I'm stuck with a political system where my choice is between unseasoned raw tofu or literal poison. So I guess I'm going with compromise and bland, because it's better than literal poison. The Democrats lack any spine to actually defend the American people from the power-hungry maniacs who want to rob and exploit us, but they'll at least make token efforts to not let it get too bad; on the contrary the Republicans seem highly invested in making everything worse for every American.

So at the end of the day all I can do is try to operate with a conscience informed by the Christian values I was raised to have: Love others, especially the least of these, and desire that my neighbor flourish. I may not get to vote for what I want, but at least I'm not voting to see my neighbors actively hurt because I think people who speak a different language or who look different than me are subhuman.

-CryptoLutheran

Dan1988 · Oct 15, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
Can you quote where I said this please.

Through Christ abiding in Him. I'll share what that looks like

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

The Holy Spirit is the one who wrote God;s commandments and helps us keep them. Why one would think faith would be rebelling against the Holy Spirit. We are told its the opposite Heb 3:7-19 By doing the same thing that separated us from God Isa 59:2 is going to reconcile us when the Bible clearly tells us that's not so Rev 22:14-15

Those who do not subject themselves to God's law are still in the carnal mind, which cannot please God

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Please do not speak for me. Thanks

Faith does not void the Law it establishes it. Rom3:31 Why does one believe faith means being disobedient to God? Its doesn't its what the other spirit wants us to believe sadly to be lost Rom 8:7-8

Jesus said:

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, (believers)’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The Bible is a big book for a reason, never meant to pick one Text you like and not harmonize with the rest of the Bible.

While we are saved by grace through faith, the fruit we bear demonstrate if our faith is genuine or not. Keeping God's commandments is a fruit of salvation Rev 14:12 not a means to it, if one does not subject themselves the Law of God I would consider more time in prayer asking for God's help to change the carnal mind to a spiritual mind Psa 19:7

Your theology seems to be inconsistent, in the sense that you're holding on to this doctrine that you made yourself alive IOW "resurrected" yourself from the dead and gave yourself a new Spirit.
I have never come across anything that would support your version of the gospel. Please explain how you resurrected yourself from the dead. I though that only God can do that.

God said you were born dead in your sin, you say "no I was not born dead in sin" and I was able to change my sin nature and create my own faith to cash in on Gods promise. I don't find anything in the Bible to support your version of the gospel.

If you don't believe that faith is a gift which God gives those He purposed to save, and you don't believe that you created your own faith, then please let me know where you got this faith which saved you.

"If" is not a command, do you agree or disagree. When Jesus said "if you abide in Me" you twist it to mean, "I command you to abide in Me" and it simply doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not sure why you're struggling to understand such a simple word.

Jesus never commanded anyone to do anything, He simply asked questions like "do you believe in Me", so He's actually asking a question and not giving a commandment, why must you change the meaning of what he's saying, can't you just believe it as He said it.
It's quite disrespectful to Jesus, because it's like saying "'oh excuse me Jesus, but aren't you trying to say, "I command you". Don't you think Jesus would have said that if He wanted to. I don't get why some have an irresistible urge to twist the meaning of scriptures by removing words and adding other words to make it say something completely different.

Hentenza · Oct 15, 2025

BobRyan said:
BobRyan said: Turns out we are also supposed to "Love GOD with all our heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22.

Not true.

In Matt 22 Jesus is quoting from the OT text and His audience admits it.

Exegesis matters.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

It is very clear that Jesus gave the same answer from the Law of Moses that the Jews already admitted to being the case.

LUKE 10:

25 And behold, a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” 29 But wanting to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Just as the Jews already admit as we saw in Luke 10 above.

They never argue that Lev 19:18 deletes God's Law,

1. Yes exegesis matters and your exegesis is lacking. Exegesis as part of proper hermeneutics requires the determination of who the audience is and what the purpose of the author was. In both of these you failed.

First, the audience here is the Pharisees and sadducees. They were trying to trap Jesus into violating the law by His teachings. Historically Jesus, at this stage, was still preaching solely to the Jews. Here He is teaching them that their understanding is flawed using the OT scriptures to prove them wrong. That He did.

Second, this is the precursor to the actual giving of the two commandments and the fulfillment of the laws in the days yo come. Jesus asks them who they think who His father is and they say David but then He gives them an argument from the title of Lord. Jesus is the Lord and will be the only person that could/did keep the law perfectly.

Third, your Strawman continues. No one here is arguing that the law was deleted. This is a typical fallacy by those that push legalism.

BobRyan said:
That is the opposite teaching from what we find in scripture, in places like Romans 8. Your statement above merely quotes "you"

by contrast actual scripture says

Rom 8:
, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

Are you reading your own posts?

Rom 8 identifies the lost as "hostile toward God" not "subjecting themselves to the LAW of God".

But you just told me that exegesis is important.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are in accord with the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are in accord with the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:1-8 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

bible.com

Paul just calls the law weak and ineffective and now you are saying that he wants us to keep the law? Are you or me of the flesh? Is Paul bipolar? Your interpretation is obviously flawed.

BobRyan said:
Rom 7 quotes from the TEN "do not covet" pointing to it as in the LAW of God and stating that violation of that Ten Commandment Law "is sin"
Just as we see in Rom 13, and Eph 6:1-2 and in James 2.

Rom 8 not only has Christ fulfilling the Law but ALSO has each one of us doing it by the Spirit , rather than ignoring it.

So then "do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled (complied with) not just in the life of Christ but also the walk of the saints.

"do not take God's name in vain" is only weak and ineffective in the life of the one that is not born again. Paul points to the saints in Rom 8 as in compliance, in harmony with God's Law and not at all at war with it.

Not even remotely.

IT shows as John states in 1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

exactly

exactly my point

The rest of these have already been addressed. The commandments referred to in 1 John 2 are the two commandments if Jesus not the 613 laws if the Mosaic law.

Let me ask you something. Your group believes that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment so those that do not follow it are sinning. If that is the case then we must repent of sin otherwise our salvation is in question. Is the salvation of the great majority of Christians that worship on Sunday in jeopardy? Are the majority of Christians living in sin?

boughtwithaprice · Oct 15, 2025

Jerry N. said:
I’ve had the problem for over 30 years after an accident. I’ve tried chiropractors and physical therapy, both give relief for several months. Be careful to get a good chiropractor if you try it. I’ve also tried various forms of exercise. The best for me seems to be a lot of walking when the pain is not too bad. I hope you get better. (Edit) If you take long walks, don't do it on a hard surface.

Good advice. A good chiropractor is one that puts his hands on you and does the manipulations. Chiro means hand practior means movement or manipulation which is based on manual which also means hand.
The chiropractor can move your spine to take pressure off the nerves. You still need strengthening exercises to stabilize the bones and keep them from moving back. If you don’t strengthen your back, the bones keep moving and you get “addicted” to the chiropractor

To me, a bad chiropractor is one that does not manipulate your spine hooks you up to machines and does a lot of clicking to convince you it’s working but it’s just draining your wallet

Chronic pain is a full time job, not just for the doctor, but for the patient as well. It takes work to fix. The work can be frustrating but has to be done

Another overlooked aspect of chronic pain is the role the brain plays. Patients don’t like to hear this because they get offended. They will resist and say my pain is real, it’s not in my head. You think I am crazy. No I don’t. I know you are suffering
Think of your brain as a muscle. What you think about will make that part of your brain stronger. If all you think about is woe is me, I am in pain. You will become sad and in pain all the time, you will hate doctors and medications and say nothing works. If all a person thinks about is pain, the brain gives you pain.
Instead, develop a hobby, read a book, get out in the sun, talk to others, get your mind off the pain and you will see it becomes more manageable.
Scripture even tells you to do this, which convinces me of the truth of God’s existence and the truth of the Catholic faith. We cannot earn salvation but when we are born again, we are called to follow in Jesus’ footsteps, deny ourselves and mortify the deeds of the flesh.

Philippians 4

6 Be nothing solicitous; but in every thing, by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasseth all understanding, keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. 8 For the rest, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever modest, whatsoever just, whatsoever holy, whatsoever lovely, whatsoever of good fame, if there be any virtue, if any praise of discipline, think on these things. 9 The things which you have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, these do ye, and the God of peace shall be with you.

If all we think about is sin and our inability to overcome it, then we are stuck in sin. If we take our minds off of ourselves and our sin and focus on Christ and His righteousness, He has promised to give us the power to overcome sin. We just have to believe Him

Apocolypse (Revelation) 21

6 And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely. 7 He that shall overcome shall possess these things, and I will be his God; and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Paul tells us to not listen to people that say sin is too strong and penance is no good. Prayer focuses our mind on God and penance helps to learn horror of sin. How we think is how we are. It’s true for chronic pain and it is true to our Christian faith. That is why I am Catholic, because the faith trains me in righteousness and does not allow me to give up on my sin. I can overcome by the grace of God.

Romans

1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God.

God gives us power to follow Him when we ask. As it says in John 1

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.

Paul warns us to beware those that deny this power.

2 Timothy 3

: 5 Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid

In chronic pain, we have to avoid the doom and gloom thinking or else we will be sad and in pain the whole time. If we focus our minds on other things, the pain will get smaller. You may realize oh I was having so much fun, I forgot I was in pain

Jesus calls us to come and walk on the water. We can focus on ourselves and the wind and the waves and we will sink. The wind and the waves are our sin and temptation. If we hang around people that tell us our sin is too strong for us, guess what? Instead of overcoming, we will be overcome by sin.

Life is full of scoffers and nay sayers, both in chronic pain and in Christianity. The Catholic Church gives so many graces in the sacraments and follows the biblical command to train in righteousness, I cannot listen to the scoffers any longer. God loves all His children and He offers His salvation to everyone.

We overcome chronic pain by practice, and we overcome sin in the same way. If you don’t want to believe me, there is nothing I can do for you as a doctor or a Christian.

Sorry for the tangential thoughts, but my 15 yrs of treating chronic pain has taught me so much about my faith

Forgive me and peace be with you

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Apple Sky said:
This is the biggest lie in history & is one the top conspiracies theories known & most of the worlds population now believes that we didn't go to the moon.

Sorry, but how can you state with such certainty that most of the world's population now believes that we didn't go to the moon? Just take the "population" of these Forums. There seem very few who believe that the moon landings were faked. Off the top of my head, the few include you, d taylor and Kathleen30. There may be one or two others whose names I've forgotten, but I would say that by far the majority here believe that the moon landings happened.

The Liturgist · Oct 15, 2025

MarkRohfrietsch said:
So, you have not read revelation; pretty clear what worship is like in the "new heaven and new earth".

Basically a worship that is eternal and surpasses even the best liturgy from the apex of Lutheran Orthodoxy in Leipzig or the height of Anglo Catholicism in London in 1924, or the apex of Greek Orthodox worship at the Hagia Sophia between the Triumph of Orthodoxy in 843 and the False Crusade of 1204, or the Gallican Rite in the 6th and 7th centuries, the Roman Rite, Ambrosian Rite, Mozarabic Rite, Sarum Rite and related uses in the 8th and 9th century, or the East Syriac liturgy before the genocide of Tamerlane in the 1100s, or the Coptic worship in Old Cairo before the Coptic language was suppressed in the vernacular by the Muslims, or the Armenian and Syriac Rites after release from poverty but before the Turkish Genocide of 1915, or the Russian Orthodox worship of Czarist Russia before the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, or the Georgian Orthodox liturgy in the 17th century (also the Russian Old Rite before the Nikonian reforms), or the Hagiopolitan liturgy under St. Cyril of Jerusalem and his successors in the fourth and fifth century, and that of Antioch in the late fifth and early sixth century - so much of our current liturgy actually originated in Jerusalem and Antioch at the time, such as the services in Holy Week such as the Paschal Triduum in the West and its Eastern and Oriental equivalents, and likewise in Antioch, such as the eight tone system of chant, the Presanctified and so on.

The chief difference being the immediate presence of Christ our True God visible in the Uncreated Light of Tabor, which will I think be as great an upgrade from our perspective a the Eucharist was over the Jewish temple sacrifices.

I grealty pity those misguided dispensationalists who believe the rebuilding of the Temple and the restoration of animal sacrifices is required for the return of Christ and the belief that he would preside over a revived sacrificial cult personally. Such people don’t realixe how unpleasant Temple worship was (although infinitely better than the cults of the gods of the gentiles) and how it contained a foreshadow of the Eucharist in the form of the shewbread and libations.

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