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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

I'm concerned about everyone. His kind of rhetoric is going to be part of people attacking the NG.
What about "they're sending their rapists"
"They're poisoning the blood"
"They're the worst - they're not even humans - I call them animals"
They're eating the dogs."

Isn't THAT the rhetoric that gets people riled up and violent? Oh wait - but that might imply he's dog whistling to white supremacists - we can't have that! The President of the United States of America would never say anything that blatant!

"Proud Boys - stand back and stand by."
No wonder they claimed him as one of their own!
I'm sorry, but the people in these areas are out of control and violent.
These people see the families they care about seized by men in masks.
When was the last time I saw a show with that many men in masks just grabbing people off the street?
Oh yeah... nothing to see here - move along!

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But at least Portland have their own men in masks!

"Frogs, stand back and stand by!"

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The Schumer Shutdown

Except what if it isn't the Schumer Shutdown - but the "MAGA hates poor people and wants to kick them off healthcare!" shutdown.

Joel Eissenberg | June 19, 2025 12:41 pm​

It’s bad enough that Republicans believe poor Americans should be allowed to die without health care. But if you ever need a hospital, whether or not you have insurance, this could kill you, too.​
“That’s because each node of the system is interdependent. If the 190 rural hospitals estimated in a recent Center for American Progress report as collateral damage of the Republican cuts close, all of their patients must find treatment at the remaining health care providers. Many of these new-arrival patients are likely to be uninsured (many thrown off Medicaid or Obamacare by Republicans), crushing hospital finances and potentially adding more closures on top.​
“This means overcrowded hospitals and overburdened staff, in addition to the serious hardships for patients traveling long distances for care. “The Republican Senate budget accelerates the rural hospital collapse that is under way, like jet fuel on a fire,” said Alex Lawson of Social Security Works, who works directly on health care issues in Washington. “Hospitals that don’t close will be the ones people drive four hours to access. The quality of everybody’s health care in this country will plummet.​
“HOSPITALS HAVE LURCHED FROM ONE CRISIS to the next for years. Between the 2020 COVID pandemic and 2024, 36 rural hospitals closed, on the heels of 136 closures in the previous decade. Another 16 have closed this year, suggesting an acceleration of the trend, and hundreds more are at risk.​
If the entire hospital doesn’t close, unprofitable business lines are often shuttered first. “I’ve talked to a lot of hospitals worried about having to close maternity wards,” said Chiquita Brooks-LaSure, who ran the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in the Biden administration. In California alone, 56 hospitals have ended maternity care since 2012, and the crisis of maternity deserts is acute.”​
Setting aside the question of whether American needs more babies*, maternity care is health care. Lack of maternity care and health care deserts used to be a third world problem. The Trump GOP wants to turn American into the next third world country.​
*no, we don’t need more babies. With AI and robots promising to take lots of jobs in the next 30 years, what jobs will those babies have when they grow up? With global warming drowning and burning arable land, how will those babies eat and drink when they grow up?​
This is the Schumer Shutdown, no matter how much a citizen of Australia wants to believe otherwise. The GOP has voted ten times in the Senate over the last couple of weeks to keep the federal government running. It is Chuck Schumer and the Democratic Party Senators who are voting to continue the shutdown. Therefore, despite how much a citizen of Australia appears to want to believe that the GOP is at fault, the plain facts show that this is indeed the Schumer Shutdown.
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Missing pages from one's bible

The Catholics have all the pages we Eastern Orthodox have,
Ok - then why does evey online reference I see say otherwise?

to wit:

Eastern Orthodox Bible

  • Old Testament: Typically includes 49 books, which is more than the 39 found in the Protestant Old Testament. It includes additional books such as:
    • Tobit
    • Judith
    • Wisdom of Solomon
    • Sirach (Ecclesiasticus)
    • Baruch
    • 1–4 Maccabees
    • Additions to Daniel and Esther
  • New Testament: Standard 27 books, same as in most Christian traditions.
Total: Usually 76 books in the Eastern Orthodox Bible.

That would be three more books (pages missing) than the Roman Catholic Bible.

Yes or no - does the Eastern Orthodox Bible have more Books?
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Heating up down under

Scores of people haven't been into Climate Change Panic since way before "MAGA". They rolled their eyes at Al Gore's hyperbole decades ago.
This statement is as meaningless as every time Trump ever says "Some people say...."

As Christians Jesus commanded us not to worry about the future (Luke 12:22-34). Therefore Christians should not participate in Climate Change Panic.
(Sighs. This has got to be in the Top 5 anti-climate hymnal for MAGA Christians.)

It's not about panicking - it's about caring. It's about love and justice. It's about reflecting our God-giving responsibilities for stewardship of the garden. It's about hearing the values behind OT commands about not chopping down all the trees when Israel went to war - for 'what have the trees done to you?'

It's about recognising that this planet's biosphere is not OURS to do with what we want, but actually belongs to God - and what we do with it and say about it matters and reflects our heart for God's creativity.

It's about us - in the image of God - caring for the world.

It's about us being faithful servants during these 'last days' (2025 years and counting.)

It's about creation groaning in the expectation of the children of God being revealed (Romans) and us living in light of that.

It's about living out the very gospel itself faithfully as we are meant to love our neighbours and honour the government and obey the law. It's about us realising what love of neighbour and children means, and while not worrying about the future - planning for it as Proverbs commands. "Go to the ant you sluggard!" etc. About opening our eyes outside of our own political peer-group, whispering untruths to us...

It's about minimising harm as we do all this.

It's about leaving a good world for our children and grandchildren.
(AKA it's about reading Calvin!)

Undeceptions is a GREAT apologetics and thought provoking podcast.
It's world leading in production values.
You should try it! Just this once!
Good Earth
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Missing pages from one's bible

"Pope" is still used as the title for the Bishop of Alexandria, whether it be the Coptic or the Greek. While it may have started out as an affectionate term it has long since become their official title.
Yes, it BECAME their title about 300 years later, but when originally used, it was a term of affection. The was no office of papacy in Alexandria in any of the writings.
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Don Trump Tilts at Windmills: Rescinds All Offshore Wind Energy Areas in the US; current leases up for review

NH has off-grid plans for companies. Of course, there is no grid backup.
It seems that you're going to see more off-grid construction where it costs a lot to run electricity. Where it's relatively easy to build grid power, not so much.

The old Mother Earth News articles on off-grid systems were interesting, such as trying to get a true sine wave at 60 Hz for 120/240v AC vs wring everything to use RV lights and appliances.
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Don Trump Tilts at Windmills: Rescinds All Offshore Wind Energy Areas in the US; current leases up for review

1865 had a severe shortage of treason convictions and subsequent hangings. (though I am unfamiliar with these 'atrocities' you refer to.)
No surprise there. They are not, ah, well publicized in histories, though you can find references to Sherman marching POWs in front of his columns. The same for the Roswell factory workers. Also not publicized much is how his solders urged slaves they met to leave, but the now emancipated slaves had nowhere to go, and so tagged along with Sherman's columns, though he hated it because it hampered his operations.

Today's built environment is one that has evolved to use the ICE car. This is the environment that electric cars must compete in. Unlike ICE cars versus horses where the advantages of a car were obvious if the vehicle and fuel were reliable, the electric car advantages to the owner are not so stark. (There are nice things like not going to gas stations for regular commuting travel, etc.) The benefits accrue mostly indirectly and to society, that means that society is going to have to help things along.
Today's environment began with electric and steam powered cars. At one time a land speed record was held by an electric car. Steam cars had a latency issue. Stanley Steamer (the car, not the cleaning service) owners would sometimes like to fire up their cars, walk a few paces ahead, call it, and the car seemingly hear it and coming to them. That's how long it took to build up enough steam to move forward.

On roads: Rural areas tend to have dirt roads. This was the nature of things from coast to coast really until the post WWII years. Roads were important, though then, as now, quality varied from location to location. I know of some old dirt roads that had ditching and have seen some of the old wooden bridges where you just had one lane, with two parallel lines of boards for your tires. Last years heard a crew talking about an out-of-the-way place in my old neck of the woods, and when I learned it was now loose gravel, it struck me funny because I've been down it when it was mud, sand, and slick clay. Gravel roads? That's riding in style.

Oh: Should mention most of my involvement here isn't just history. From time to time have had to look for easements and the question of what came first, the road or the power line. In one case, it was the power line; in another, the road. You win some, you lose some. Anyway, property records have land acquisitions for road paving, so if someone takes the time to look, they can find when a road was paved. For most in our area, it was post WWII. A grandfather got a job once helping to pave a road (concrete, not asphalt), and that was prior to WWII, but was also considered a major route. For where I grew up, it was all dirt roads until the 1950s.

Yes, railroads was used for long-distance travel, the term "long-distance" varying from location to location. But railroads aren't everywhere. Neither were the steamboats they replaced on all but rivers like the Mississippi. You needed descent roads initially for reliable mail (seriously - going back to late 18th and early 19th Centuries here) and for moving goods via wagon. Like many things, the term "descent" is relative. If you want some documentation, there's what happened to Eisenhower when he led a convoy across country in 1919.

When I read of electric car advantages, I had to grin. Today I've driven further than what you said you drive in a week, and will likely have to drive some more before it's over. If all someone is going to do is putter around town, then it might be viable if the power stays on. Here? Not so much, and we're not even talking about distances that are common out West. Other than the Telsa Cybertruck I saw last year and a Ford Lightning I saw this year, the only electric vehicles I've seen locally are electric scooters in towns and what looks like an electric two-wheel skateboard with handles. That makes sense, since a non-electric is pretty much needed between the towns, and the electric scooters are a fun and viable option, like the old electric golf carts (which were never considered road-rated in most places, but were still used).
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

It's a Slow Fade, right (as in the 2007 Casting Crowns song)?
  • We are one with the Father and the Son (Jn 17:22),
  • We are in Him and He is in us (Jn 17:23),
  • We are joined to the Lord and are one Spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17),
  • We have eternal life because life is in Jesus and Jesus is in us (1 Jn 5:11–12),
  • We shall not come into judgement because we have passed from death into life (Jn 5:24),
  • With an unveiled face, we behold the glory of the Lord and are transformed into the same image (2 Co 3:18),
  • We who have the firstfruits of the Spirit groan within ourselves, and eagerly await our adoption (Ro 8:23),
  • We earnestly desire clothing from above and have the Spirit as a guarantee (2 Co 5:1–5),
  • We have the mind of Christ (1 Co 2:16),
  • We have come to know Him because He lives in our hearts (Jn 14:19-23),
  • He will never leave us or forsake us (Heb 13:5), and
  • We are partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4).
If you look closely, all these things (and this is not a complete list) are true for a person only if Jesus is residing in that person's heart. If Jesus is in there, all these things are true for him. If Jesus is not in there, none of these things are true for him.

Maybe our dissagreement is not on the effect, but on the residency of Jesus in a person's heart.

And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” (Ga 4:6)​
Well, yes, that is the point. We must remain in him and he and us.
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The Schumer Shutdown


The Schumer Shutdown continues on and on and on.
Except what if it isn't the Schumer Shutdown - but the "MAGA hates poor people and wants to kick them off healthcare!" shutdown.

Joel Eissenberg | June 19, 2025 12:41 pm​

It’s bad enough that Republicans believe poor Americans should be allowed to die without health care. But if you ever need a hospital, whether or not you have insurance, this could kill you, too.

“That’s because each node of the system is interdependent. If the 190 rural hospitals estimated in a recent Center for American Progress report as collateral damage of the Republican cuts close, all of their patients must find treatment at the remaining health care providers. Many of these new-arrival patients are likely to be uninsured (many thrown off Medicaid or Obamacare by Republicans), crushing hospital finances and potentially adding more closures on top.

“This means overcrowded hospitals and overburdened staff, in addition to the serious hardships for patients traveling long distances for care. “The Republican Senate budget accelerates the rural hospital collapse that is under way, like jet fuel on a fire,” said Alex Lawson of Social Security Works, who works directly on health care issues in Washington. “Hospitals that don’t close will be the ones people drive four hours to access. The quality of everybody’s health care in this country will plummet.

“HOSPITALS HAVE LURCHED FROM ONE CRISIS to the next for years. Between the 2020 COVID pandemic and 2024, 36 rural hospitals closed, on the heels of 136 closures in the previous decade. Another 16 have closed this year, suggesting an acceleration of the trend, and hundreds more are at risk.
If the entire hospital doesn’t close, unprofitable business lines are often shuttered first. “I’ve talked to a lot of hospitals worried about having to close maternity wards,” said Chiquita Brooks-LaSure, who ran the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) in the Biden administration. In California alone, 56 hospitals have ended maternity care since 2012, and the crisis of maternity deserts is acute.”

Setting aside the question of whether American needs more babies*, maternity care is health care. Lack of maternity care and health care deserts used to be a third world problem. The Trump GOP wants to turn American into the next third world country.

*no, we don’t need more babies. With AI and robots promising to take lots of jobs in the next 30 years, what jobs will those babies have when they grow up? With global warming drowning and burning arable land, how will those babies eat and drink when they grow up?

The GOP is turning America into a 3rd world country
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Former Trump Adviser John Bolton Criminally Indicted

John Bolton, who served as Donald Trump's national security adviser before becoming a vocal critic of the president, has been criminally indicted on federal charges, and is facing decades in prison.

The Department of Justice presented a case to a grand jury in Maryland on Thursday, and they agreed there was enough evidence to indict Bolton.

According to a 26-page indictment filed at a court in Greenbelt, Maryland, on Thursday, Bolton is charged with eight counts of transmission of national defence information (NDI) and 10 counts of unlawful retention of NDI
.

If found guilty, he could face up to 10 years in prison for each charge.

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Another look at the moon landing.

It's the verse where the emblem originated from like where did any emblem originate from & why ?
i) where does that verse say that it is an emblem at all? Are you saying that the "emblem" for Issachar, for example, is a donkey?
Genesis 49:17 says nothing about emblems.
ii) why are you only quoting part of the blessing that was given to Dan - the bit that suits your purposes? The first part, in verse 16, says that Dan will stand for justice.
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

I suppose not at this point. What concerned me years ago is what we see an example of right here on this thread: sincere people offering plausible arguments about the role of the law based on Scripture alone, directly contradicting the opinon of other Sola Scriptura adherents regarding the role of the law. IOW, both use the Reformed doctrine of Sola Scriptura while disagreeing on its meaning as it relates to the Reformed doctrine of Sola Fide.
Really? You are comparing the legalistic perspective to orthodox understanding? Sorry my friend but your church does not have the exclusivity on orthodox doctrine. I am equally concerned about your church reliance on extra biblical sources. Maybe a reason for the reformation.
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Another look at the moon landing.

So what are you trying to say, that the snake isn't the emblem of the Dan tribe ?
I know David can answer for himself - but I can't see why to would be or why you are saying that it is.

As far as I can see, you have discovered that the blessing given to Dan said that he would be like a serpent and have fabricated some link between a serpent and the logo for NASA.
And that's because you refuse to accept that there are thousands of employees at NASA, some of whom are Christian. You speak of it as though it's only one entity - "NASA says ...." NASA have decided ......" NASA are liars.."

How much publicity have you given to this, apparently deceitful, group of people, I wonder.
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

I think you should focus on your own country instead of ours.
Oh we DEFINITELY have our own human rights violations to answer for!
But Australia's little. America's got the biggest military in the world - and Trump's NPD means we could be in the next equivalent of the Cuban Missile Crisis if he misses his narcissistic supply one morning.
Just think how much better it would be if those workers were documented and we were able to make sure the rapists and murderers and gang members and cartels were not coming with the normals.
All of which are at LOWER rates than the American-born population - which you keep avoiding.
They wouldnt have to hunker down at all. That would be better for them and us.
You forget - the hunkering down is what they want.
A hardworking quiet life - and to be left alone.

It's a shame Americans do not have the same attitude - and have so much more crime and rape and theft and murder in their population!
I heard that Americans were 'eating the dogs' - and had double the rapists and thieves and murderers of the average immigrant!

Because that is what the studies above show.
Which you studiously avoided.
MAGA - the party that doesn't disagree with the Democrats over policy, but over reality itself.
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When the Church refuses to engage in politics, this happens

I think the article is bunk. All you have to do is look at the state of the black churches that are political today. Are they better for all their political ramblings? The best way for the church is through getting people to God. When I got really turned onto God, I flipped parties. I went from liberal to conservative and did not need the pastor to tell me anything about what policies aligned with the bible. Is Maga policy scriptural?

Though I list some specifics off the top of my head, the premise is that MAGA Christians in government are often somewhat vulgur, condescending, unconstitutional at times, and generally not compassionate conservatives. Yes, they do some things right, a few even great. Yes, generally they are better than democrats who also have far different moral weaknesses and a poor world view. But the drive to push the political, comes at the expense of the core Jesus teachings.

Blowing up boats without a better chance to vent the occupants and facts.
Continuing to promote corn ethanol, which actually effects world markets enough to cause some starvation
Raising taxes on the poor with tariffs, while cutting taxes on the rich.
Promoting violence in some U.S. cities without the consent of the governed
Being revengeful and petty toward political enemies
Undermining the court system with constant criticism
Not following through with disclosing tax returns, Epstein files, and numerous other things.
Reversing the safety net for millions to receive medical insurance. Not even offering a GOP plan though they have said they would.
Promoting inflation through putting pressure for the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates when the 2% inflation target has not been hit since 2001.
Failing to perform their duties like the swearing in of a duly elected House member. (Thanks Christian Mike Johnson who said he would do it then reneged because it might tilt the vote to release some Epstein files).
Treating good allies like garbage, even suggesting a Neo-colonialist policy of taking over other nations.
Promoting the love of money, that we all will be rich with tariffs, that immigrants are costly, that America first, is the path to loving your neighbor?
Meanwhile many GOP and Dems are using their office and influence to gain money, not just through insider trading, but also through favors, like a Qatar airfield on USA soil right after Qatar gifted a luxury jetliner, perhaps the largest gift in USA history.
Buying corporate stock and making side deals with many companies getting favors to avoid tariffs and other regulations.
Telling the Dept of Justice to not prosecute crimes of bribing a foreign official under the Foreign Corrupt Bribery Act

The facts appear that the Christians that help run the GOP are somewhat clueless as to direct policies that will help most Americans. They themselves practice cultural Marxism, which is why they are so determined to have the power of the state to force their ideas on a population that a majority do not consent to. The Seven Mountain mandate though prophesied is based on cultural Marxism. The only difference is that the culture is supposedly Christian and you use the government to force that through the media, arts, educational system, businesses, etc. Given that part of that will does not align with what many would deem true Christian policies, how exactly are mininsters supposed to promote politicians, or policies that are found seriously wanting?
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

This is why I lost respect for those that assume what words mean without further study.

Strong’s Definitions
κάμινος káminos, kam'-ee-nos; probably from G2545; a furnace:—furnace.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 4x
The KJV translates Strong's G2575 in the following manner: furnace (4x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. a furnace
    1. for smelting
    2. for burning earthen ware
    3. for baking bread

Okay, first of all, kudos to you for doing your due diligence regarding the word "kaminos." What I notice is that it is nonetheless a furnace which is creative in its use. It is not used for destroying or torturing people. Smelting, burning earthenware, and baking bread are all positive and creative acts. The hell of those who believe in ECT is not exactly in any sense either creative or positive as an experience.



No, kaminos can be a different type of furnance and the actual meaning is gleaned by the context. And here there is no context of the furnace being used with metals. My brother, you continue to grasp at straws to defend your unorthodox belief. (*Shaking my head)
Smelting in the Bible is associated with metals. I think I can make that assumption here also.
Once again, assumption. Even the grammar of the verse works against your interpretation.

Again, the ONLY ones that are free to partake of the tree of life and the ONLY ones invited in are those that washed their robes.

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

I doubt that the wicked outside washed their robes. You continue to grasp at straws.

No, the wicked didn't wash their robes in the blood of the lamb. Of course, millions never even heard of the One who is the Lamb of God and takes away the sin of the world. But that's their fault for not being born in the right place and the right time, so to hell with them.

You keep insisting that after death and after being cast into the Lake of Fire, there is no further chance for repentance and a change of heart. Why? Is God that mean-spirited that the only time one can repent is in this short and terrible lifetime we have now?


The problem with his argument, in short, is that it assumes two outcomes, either free will or determinism. But I will argue that there is a third option that our finite minds cannot fathom or understand. Talbot is trying to rationalize an infinite, supernatural being but our understanding or his will never reach the capacity to do so. God says that His ways are His ways. Who are we to argue with that?

So you are saying that God gives us a moral law and an understanding of love that He Himself is neither subject to nor bound by? People insist that Hitler is in hell because he tortured people and killed them by the thousands, but if God Himself does it, He is above and beyond the same moral law that would condemn Hitler? I find that a bit preposterous.

I find that so many who believe in and insist upon and eternal hell of conscious torment are like Tertulian and Aquinas, both of whom rejoiced in the idea of their enemies suffering forever. Nice guys!
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