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need prayers finding a church (political triggers inside)

Paul's prayers for the church.

7 But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed. 8 For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. 9 For we are glad when we are weak and you are strong. Your restoration is what we pray for.

16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you


And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.


We see a direct correlation to Paul's prayer, and the state of the church.

You say there is no love in the church and they are preaching the wrong things, and I absolutely agree with you.

However I would also say that probably the biggest problem is that Christians / church members start to see a decline in there church, and decide that this church is wrong, or lacking, and do not pray for these things for the church constantly, but walk away.

Paul gives us a strong example of what to pray for, if you see lacking in your church, start praying for those things.
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I wasn't questioning if the underworld existed, I was questioning the fact that you think the foundations of this world are in the underworld

Oh sorry, I thought you were asking if they existed.

Job 38:6 indicates that the foundations are themselves fastened upon something else.
IMO they are fastened upon the underworld.
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In act of transparency, K$H Patel fires FBI leader after it becomes known Patel used FBI jet to see his girlfriend perform

FBI Ousts Leader as Patel Fumes Over Attention to Agency Jet Use

The FBI forced out a senior official overseeing aviation shortly after Director Kash Patel grew outraged about revelations of his publicly-available jet logs indicating he’d flown to see his musician girlfriend perform, said three people familiar with the situation.

Steven Palmer, a 27-year veteran of the FBI, became the third head of the critical incident response group—which includes FBI pilots—to be fired or removed in Patel’s short regime, adding to a year filled with retributive terminations.

Palmer’s position included supervising the FBI’s aviation units, but Patel’s flight schedule was readily traceable through online tracking services and he reposted photos of himself with Wilkins at the event on his personal X account.

The people familiar with the matter said they were baffled as to why Patel might’ve blamed Palmer for the travel details.

FBI directors are required to use government aircraft for personal or business travel in order to maintain secure communications. But public attention of Patel’s weekend outing—fueled by an X post from a former FBI agent turned outspoken Patel critic—comes after Patel had criticized predecessors for personal travel on taxpayer-funded jets.

Patel shared on X an Oct. 30 post from his spokesman, which said articles and opposition to the director’s travel were “disingenuous and dumb” and “bad faith whining.”

[Just a note that, for commercial/philanthropic purposes, Patel styles himself thus as K$H]

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Trump administration must release billions in SNAP funds, judge says

I could be wrong. But my sense is the numbers dont bear that out, and on average its more difficult today for the typical bottom 50% person today to save money than when you and I first became adults. I think of my first house that I could buy on an entry level wage. That opportunity is much harder to find these days. And that one house was the gateway to a lot of wealth accumulation for me.
That is true. The cost of a house today is insane compared to what we bought houses for back then. However, at least here in Houston, they are selling like crazy. I see new neighborhoods being built and the houses being sold very quickly. Some of the new communities that I’m aware of are selling to relatively young people. Us old guys tend to stay in our houses a lot longer than younger guys. Some folks have enough money to buy them. So I’m not sure if I would equate the price of houses now as being a hindrance to ownership. Maybe if folks stop paying so much for houses they would drop in price. But you know that’s not realistic.
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An EBT Crisis?

Elsewhere in Southern California, leaders are trying to provide impacted people with resources.
Not just California. But not everywhere. See if you can infer a general pattern

SNAP Benefits Government Shutdown: Full list of what states are doing to help families


Alabama SNAP Benefits​

The governor's office says the state does not have the resources to fund SNAP benefits. The mayor of Birmingham announced the city will use $1 million for a reserve fund to help feed families.

Arizona SNAP Benefits​

Gov. Katie Hobbs announced a plan on Oct. 29 to use $1.8 million in state funds to shore up food banks and fund a temporary emergency fresh food program.

Arkansas SNAP Benefits​

Nebraska SNAP Benefits​

Tennessee SNAP Benefits​

Texas SNAP Benefits​

The state isn't tapping its own money but has directed beneficiaries to a list of food banks and other organizations that can help.

California SNAP Benefits​

The state is forwarding $80 million to food banks and also using National Guard to help at the food banks. [many local governments also providing assistance]

Illinois SNAP Benefits​

Gov. JB Pritzker plans to sign an executive order on Oct. 30 ordering the state to work with food pantries, grocers, community-based groups, universities and other to lessen the impact. He also intends to send an additional $20 million to food banks from a fund lawmakers set up earlier in 2025.

Louisiana SNAP Benefits​

Gov. Jeff Landry signed an executive order Oct. 24 and called for state funding of SNAP benefits,. Lawmakers on Oct. 29 authorized using $150 million in state funding to avoid an interruption in SNAP benefits.

Maine SNAP Benefits​

Gov. Janet Mills has directed her administration to explore alternatives to assist SNAP beneficiaries and also announced $1.25 million to support anti-hunger programs.

Maryland SNAP Benefits​

Gov. Wes Moore declared a state of emergency on Oct. 30 and made $10 million available to food banks and other organizations.

Missouri SNAP Benefits​

Gov. Mike Kehoe announced Oct. 29 that he has directed $10.6 million to go toward providing meals to seniors and another $5 million to help food banks.

Georgia SNAP Benefits​

Florida SNAP Benefits​

Idaho SNAP Benefits​

Indiana SNAP Benefits​

Kansas SNAP Benefits​

Kentucky SNAP Benefits​

South Dakota SNAP Benefits​

Utah SNAP Benefits​

[State] has not announced plans to make up for SNAP cuts.
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House conservatives pray against rising political violence: 'This is a nation that is broken'

Members of the House Freedom Caucus and others joined with the Family Research Council on Thursday evening to pray against the rising tide of political violence in the United States and to invoke God's aid for what they described as a broken nation.

Led by Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, the group also asked for a blessing over President Donald Trump, wisdom amid the ongoing federal government shutdown, protection for Israel and for truth to prevail.

'This is a nation that is broken'

Continued below.
Glad they are praying but I'd be nice to see a more unifying prayer.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Just your words sadly, against the plain Scripture, nothing new under the sun.
And yet you are still to post a single post crucifixion verse that teaches that the Christian is required to keep the 4th commandment. If the scriptures are so plain to you then it should not be a problem. Also, how about a verse in the NT that repeats the 4th commandment as being part of Jesus two love commandments as He did for the other nine commandments.
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Trump administration must release billions in SNAP funds, judge says

I am no more exceptional than the next guy. Anyone can structure their lives to achieve what they need. Some do have to work harder than others but it’s all a matter of priorities.

I don’t see how it was easier for me than it is for those today. I spend my teenage years during the 1970’s and our hourly rates back then were ridiculously low. It’s true that the dollar yielded a bit more back then but the effort was still the same.

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I could be wrong. But my sense is the numbers dont bear that out, and on average its more difficult today for the typical bottom 50% person today to save money than when you and I first became adults. I think of my first house that I could buy on an entry level wage. That opportunity is much harder to find these days. And that one house was the gateway to a lot of wealth accumulation for me.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Anyone who believes that waiting will bring security is mistaken. What is needed now is decisive control.

Major General Avi Bluth, commander of the Central Command, has developed a clear strategy: daily operations in terrorist strongholds, massive use of reconnaissance, air support and targeted eliminations of leading terrorists. To do this, the army needs more personnel, equipment and political backing.

At the same time, the Israeli government must plan for the long term. Housing in existing cities such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel has become unaffordable for many young families. The answer to this cannot be stagnation, but rapid housing construction, including in the form of temporary buildings or high-rise blocks, to ensure population growth in central areas. Infrastructure projects such as the planned Highway 80, a railway line through the Jordan Valley and a new airport in the Horkania Valley would not only make economic sense, but would also be indispensable in terms of security policy.

In areas neglected by the PA, sewage, waste management, licensing, Israel should assume responsibility in order to prevent environmental and security risks. Equally urgent is the monitoring of Arab schools in East Jerusalem, where teaching materials that glorify terrorism and hatred of Jews continue to be distributed.

In the upcoming election year, Israel faces a clear choice: will a future prime minister actually push ahead with the expansion and security of Judea and Samaria or once again bow to pressure from international organisations and courts?

Whoever does not control the land loses it. Whoever allows the security zones of Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley to fall into disrepair jeopardises the entire country's line of defence.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

People did things on every day of the week, doesn't make the Sabbath commandment abrogated or a new day of worship. This is using human reasoning instead of obeying what God said. There is no Sunday sanctification in all of the Bible, there is no commandment to keep the first day holy, it is a day God said is for works and labors Exo20:9

You also forgot Mary kept the Sabbath according to the commandment after the death of Jesus and she was the first person Jesus saw, did He correct her, of course not, because there was no change to His covenant after He ratified it at His cross.

The whole Bible is focused on God. When the God of the Bible tells us something, its really not up for debate, or at least it shouldn't be. The apostles and disciples were never above God. They are servants of God, just as God asked us to be Isa56:6 and no servant is greater than their master John16:13.

But this will get sorted out at His soon return.
1.You are using the wrong word again. No one has “abrogated” anything,

2. A new covenant of Blood was instituted by Jesus atonement.

3. The new covenant does not include the old 4th commandment.

4. Our rest is now in Jesus who is the Lord if the sabbath.
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Mathew 11:23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.
That's got nothing to do with what I said.
I wasn't questioning if the underworld existed, I was questioning the fact that you think the foundations of this world are in the underworld.

Nowhere in Genesis 1, or indeed the Bible, does it say that the foundations of this world are the underworld.
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Democrats shut down government

Either side could have agreed to the other's plan but neither did.
One plan was to continue the government funding.
They both shut down the government but the reason Democrats wouldn't agree to the short term was because they were trying to keep Americans from losing their subsidies and dropping off the ACA.
The democrats shut down the government refusing to continue it. Either they get their way, or it is shut down . And you know it.
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Trump administration must release billions in SNAP funds, judge says

Unless you took a very early retirement, youre probably a bit older than me.

You and I were looking at a very different financial world from todays when we were coming up. Housing, health care, college, child care. Seems to me a lot more people are right on the edge than back then. I think the data reflects this too in terms of how many people are one emergency away from not having a place to live, and the extent of typical credit card debt.

Even so, there will always be some exceptional people who can prevail over any circumstance. But by definition, exceptional people are exceptional. What do the typical people who simply work decently hard do?
I am no more exceptional than the next guy. Anyone can structure their lives to achieve what they need. Some do have to work harder than others but it’s all a matter of priorities.

I don’t see how it was easier for me than it is for those today. I spend my teenage years during the 1970’s and our hourly rates back then were ridiculously low. It’s true that the dollar yielded a bit more back then but the effort was still the same.

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Democrats shut down government

Either side could have agreed to the other's plan but neither did. They both shut down the government but the reason Democrats wouldn't agree to the short term was because they were trying to keep Americans from losing their subsidies and dropping off the ACA.
This is the false mantra that the Democrats keep chanting, yes.
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You think the whole of this world is build on the underworld - the place of the dead?
This world was created before anyone had died. God created all things and said it was very good, Genesis 1:31. Genesis does not say anything about the underworld.

Mathew 11:23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.
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And what about these verses;
  • 1 Chronicles 16:30: "He hath fixed the earth firm, immovable."
1 Chronicles 16 records David singing a Psalm of thanksgiving, so once again it is poetry, full of symbolism. If you want to insist it is literal then your claim is now that the earth is a sentient being and trees have voices.

Worship the Lord in holy array;​
tremble before him, all the earth;​
yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.​
Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice,​
and let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns!”​
Let the sea roar, and all that fills it,​
let the field exult, and everything in it!​
Then shall the trees of the wood sing for joy
before the Lord, for he comes to judge the earth.​
  • Psalm 93:1: "The world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."
  • Psalm 96:10: "He hath fixed the earth firm, immovable..."
  • Psalm 104:5: "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."
  • Isaiah 45:18: "...who... fixed it fast
More poetry.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Most international reports on the situation in Judea and Samaria follow a familiar narrative: the threat to stability, they say, comes from Jewish settlers and construction projects. But if you look at the facts, you see a different picture. The real reason for the growing insecurity lies in the massive resurgence of "Palestinian" terror, a wave of targeted arson attacks and systematic land grabbing through illegal "Palestinian" construction activity, mostly with European support.

While Israeli security forces operate day and night against terrorist cells in Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarm, weapons are being stored, firebombs prepared and attacks planned in the same areas. The threat is increasing, particularly along the so-called seam zone, the security line between Samaria and central Israel. Terrorists are already regularly firing shots across the barrier at Israeli towns in the Bat Hefer and Gilboa areas.

The release of hundreds of "Palestinian" prisoners as part of the hostage agreement with Hamas has further exacerbated this danger. Numerous returnees in Jenin, Hebron and Qalqilya are rejoining militant groups. The idea of a demilitarised "Palestinian" territory, as once envisaged in the Oslo Accords, has finally failed.

Hardly any other issue is as consistently overlooked in the West as the deliberate construction of tens of thousands of illegal "Palestinian" buildings in the strategically sensitive Zone C. According to Israeli estimates, over 90,000 structures have been built without permission in recent years, often in areas that have never had an Arab presence before. These buildings cut through Israeli settlement blocks, threaten access routes and alter the local landscape.

In the corridor between the Jordan Valley and Ein Gedi alone, over 17,000 illegal buildings have been constructed in the immediate vicinity of the security fence. In the so-called Jerusalem Envelopment Zone, "Palestinian" construction crews occupied over 2,600 dunams of land and erected 1,500 high-rise buildings without any permits in neighbourhoods such as Shuafat and Kafr Akab, often with twenty or more storeys, without technical supervision or structural testing. Experts warn that even a moderate earthquake could lead to disaster.

At the same time, radical activists are conducting a campaign of targeted arson attacks against Jewish farmers in the mountains of Benjamin and Samaria. The pastures, which serve as a natural resource for livestock farming, are being systematically set on fire in order to drive Israeli farmers away. This tactic is reminiscent of the fire balloons and incendiary kites that Hamas used for years to destroy fields in southern Israel.

In a region where every gap is immediately exploited, inaction can be fatal.
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