Aaron112 said:

No.
No one has supplied any proof at all to contradict Einstein or the Bible that the earth is immovable.

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If the earth is not rotating then the stars are orbiting the earth at multiple times the speed of light which is impossible, so I'm calling BS on your claims for Einstein.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I doubt it would deter them. These immigrants go through a lot of horrible conditions. Before they make it to the border.

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If they’re here illegally, I wouldn’t call them “immigrants.” In my humble opinion.

The law is the law.

People can also worship all kinds of things, like important people, or sports, art, or themselves, or who knows what.

essentialsaltes said:

Noem says entire southern border wall will be painted black to stop climbing​

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said Tuesday that the entire wall along the U.S.-Mexico border is going to be painted black to make it hotter and deter illegal immigration — an idea she said was "specifically at the request" of President Trump.

"That is specifically at the request of the president, who understands that in the hot temperatures down here when something is painted black it gets even warmer and it will make it even harder for people to climb. So we are going to be painting the entire southern border wall black to make sure that we encourage individuals to not come into our country illegally," Noem said.

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How long would that take I wonder? Years? Decades? A waste of time and money?

public hermit said:

Yes, let us enforce the law but do so in the most humane way possible, especially in this case. Many people trying to come here are desperate for a better life. We should understand wanting a good life.

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Wanting a good life is necessary to stop (or at least recognize and if possible deal with) those who were simply paid to leave their home-countries to get to the usa for a "hidden agenda" no matter what it was/is.

essentialsaltes said:

Two Texas moms were forced to wait for urgent care after pregnancy loss. They died

At the outset of Texas’ abortion ban, medical experts worried pregnant women would die from delays in care. The Dallas Morning News examined two such cases.

interactives.dallasnews.com

I can't read the story, but it seems relevant.

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Try requesting the mobile version?
On the Firefox url-bar there’s a page icon that can sometimes get around the paywall.

God’s Kingdom come, His will be done, about sums it up.

keras said:

The amazing Plans of God are beyond our human comprehension; He is working toward His ultimate goal: to obtain a people who have freely chosen to believe in Him and to be with Him for Eternity.
We have quite a way to go yet, some very hard times of testing and the proving of our faith, as many have done before us.
But great and wonderful are the Blessings and rewards promised to those who hold fast to their faith and trust unconditionally in His protection.

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Amen! It is Written.

That's not at all pertaining to what was posted just previously.

Aaron112 said:

So ? It is denied every hour on internet forums including this one, so what can be done to stop it ? Nothing according to the internet rules.

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According to the Christian Forums site rules (under Flaming and Goading)....

• Please treat all members with respect and courtesy through civil dialogue.
• Do not personally attack (insult, belittle, mock, ridicule) other members or groups of members on CF, or use nicknames to do so.

Jan001 said:

The New Testament recorded the restoration of mankind to God via the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

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Nowhere is this written nor even suggested in Scripture nor from Jesus to His disciples/ children.

AV1611VET said:

From AI Overview:

The further, the older:

The farther away an object is, the longer its light has been traveling, and the further back in time we are seeing it.

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Good grief since you rely on AI overview here is GPT-5's response which is not much of a challenge.

"The further, the older: The farther away an object is, the longer its light has been traveling, and the further back in time we are seeing it."

This is an example of lookback time, not the actual age of the object.

• Lookback time: Refers to how far back in the past we are seeing the object, because its light has taken millions or billions of years to reach us. For example, if we observe a galaxy 10 billion light-years away, we are seeing it as it looked 10 billion years ago.
• Actual age: Refers to how old the object (or the Universe itself) is now, in the present moment, not just how old it appeared to be when the light left it.

So the quote emphasizes our observational perspective—we look further away, we look further back in time—not the true, present-day age of the object.

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GPT-5' s graphical depiction of lookback time and age.

BCP1928 said:

Which are the illegal immigrants that Trump is letting alone, except for a few show raids.

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Right now this Administration is going after the worst of the worst; but they are working very hard to save the children that the Biden Administration allowed to be put into bondage.

Trump admin hunts down 13K migrant kids after Biden admin lost track of 320K: ‘Children are being saved​

I agree that this Administration is not doing enough, fast enough; but some on the Left will never be happy.

I'm thankful that at least some law and order is being restored in the wake of the Anarchy that the last Administration thrust onto us.

Bob ducks the key relevant point, biblical texts that imply an intermediate postmortem status for souls not ready for heaven, but still with the remedial potential to ultimately be saved. Nor does he recognize Jesus' preference for the rabbinic term "gehenna" as His preferred designation for Hell, a terms the rabbis ca use for TEMPORARY postmortem punishment.

Douggg said:

And taken to heaven, while the great tribulation will then take place here on earth.

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Taken someplace maybe. The graphics is entirely fable/make-be-lieve.

HARK! said:

..and that is fine when it is done legally.

When it is not; it opens up the door to human tracking, or sub par wages, which in essence amounts to slavery.

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Which are the illegal immigrants that Trump is letting alone, except for a few show raids.

Douggg said:

Paul said in Ephesians 4:29....

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

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So ? It is denied every hour on internet forums including this one, so what can be done to stop it ? Nothing according to the internet rules.

BeckyJ said:

Is He not able to meet their needs right where they are?
The US isn't the savior. Yet the Left leaning act like it is.
There are so many Biblical accounts of people in horrible situations and God is there for them. Think of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

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So if we see someone in a Shadrach situation, we can keep on walking and not make an effort because we've learned the lesson that God will take care of them? He is able to meet their needs.

Im not trying to rhetorically trap you or anything. it just sounds like thats precisely what youre saying.

Most people never seek truth, so it is what it is.
I searched for years for truth, and I don't know how long for the mathematical/ scientific proof(s) I found, years ago.
It's not worth taking the time again for anyone who doesn't care.

Douggg said:

I am not trying to order you around.

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Yes, you are.

Douggg said:

I was pointing out making inflammatory remarks is not the sort of communications Christians should be making to one another.

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When someone says something that is obviously ridiculous, then I will not give their comments any respect and will point it out. Christians should not deal with scripture dishonestly as you do by creating your own definitions for words like you do with the word "generation" in Matthew 24:34 and "after" in Daniel 9:26.

Douggg said:

Paul said in Ephesians 4:29....

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

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There's nothing corrupt about laughing at obvious nonsense and nothing corrupt about telling the truth, as I did when I said that keras refuses to learn. That is the truth.

And Jesus said...

Matthew 7:3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Aaron112 said:

Nope, none at all here. Elsewhere, for those who seek it, cool.

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So not willing to actually engage in debate on a debate thread....fine, take your ball and go home. When you have some actual evidence for others to consider we'll still be around. Otherwise I'm just going to assume that you have none.

BobRyan said:

agreed

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You and @Berserk were both wrong, in that the three largest communities of Christians, and the sixth or seventh, to wit, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, and Oriental Orthodox, and also some Lutherans (Lutheran churches usually have an open canon), the fourth largest group, and some Reformed Catholics, accept the deuterocanonical books. Some accept even more. Unless you want to deny that we are “modern Christians” but that might cause our friends @Shane R @prodromos @Jipsah @jas3 @chevyontheriver @Michie and @Xeno.of.athens might disagree with that - we are traditional, not modernist (although many modernists also use the deuterocanon), but we are modern in that we are Christians alive today, in vibrant churches, which in the case of the Orthodox are experiencing explosive growth - parishes expanding at 18% per year both from converts and the high birth rate of the members, to the point a serious strain exists on our resources.

TLM and other traditional parishes of the RCC, that either use the Tridentine Mass or celebrate the Novus Ordo with equivalent reverence, Continuing Anglican parishes, Confessional Lutheran parishes like the LCMS, LCA, AALC, ELC and others, and traditional Episcopalian parishes in the southern US and traditional Anglo Catholic parishes in the Church of England such as St. Magnus the Martyr are also experiencing growth at the expense of broad church / liberal catholic parishes that don’t stand for anything, and aliturgical non-denominational churches (and some moderate evangelical Anglican parishes that try to emulate moderate non-denominational churches which used to generate growth but which now are increasingly unpopular due to being lukewarm).