Like the words of a known liar and convicted child sex trafficker mean anything. Lol.

Clare73 said:

To what kind of death does Eph 2:4-6 refer, when it is not physical?

Crickets. . .

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And. this what ECC 12:7 SAYS !!

# 1. Then. shall // SUR - is. in the Qal , in the Perfect tense , in the Singular

# 2 THE DUST // APAR - is a Definite Article , is Singular and is Absolute.

# 3. RETURE // SOR , is. a. verb in the Qal , in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in the Singular

# 4 TO. // AL , is. a Preposition

# 5 THE EARTH. // ERES. , is a Definite Article , in the Singular in. the Aboslute

# 6 AS IT WAS // HAYA , IN THE. QAL

# 7 AND THE SPIRIT // RUAL , IN. the Singular ABSOLUTE

# 8 SHALL RETURE // a verb in the Qal , in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the Singular

# 9 UNTO //. EL , is a Preposition

# 10. God. // ELOHIM , in the Plural , ASOLUTE

# 11 WHO // ASER , is a Particle. RELATIVE

#. 12 GAVE IT // NATAN , a verb in the QAL , IN. THE PERFECT TENSE , in the Singular!!

If and a non-believer dies , his spirit is done GONE AWAY FOREVER !!

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fhansen said:

And yet what does Paul say in 1 Cor 15 just before he enters into his commentarty on the resurrection of the body?:
"Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame." 1 Cor 15:33-34

And then at the end of chap 15:
"Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain."

IOW, the raising of the dead to newness of life, our rebirth, life in the Spirit, begins here, in this life, even if it won't be fully complete until the next. So what Paul contrasts here in 1 Cor 15 as the difference between the flesh and the Spirit is echoed in such passages as Gal 6:7-10:
"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

Or in Rom 2:7:
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life."

And Rom 8:12-14:
"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."

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You might be able to picture this:

Sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19

Sins are counted against the devil and his messengers

It was never a one or the other deal. It's both

Aldebaran said:

At least those who agree with him will.

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Now who's 'pushing back against' democracy?

prudent_commenter said:

@timewerx
In regards to reverse-aging. I've found a pattern last year. What month of the year are you born in?

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Let's just say I'm a Scorpio and I knew others born within the same month and one one within 7 days of the same month as I did and they're not aging in reverse.

Scorpios have a tendence to become introverts and I was for most of my life. The self-imposed isolation could be a factor but I've turned extrovert in the last few years. Tired of the isolation perhaps but it did not change my strange aging situation.

The other scorpios I knew are like anybody else, having lots of friends and spending lots of time with friends.

essentialsaltes said:

The citizens of California will be the judge of that.

But I'm glad we're in violent agreement about what this is about, now that I've answered your questions.

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It is always edifying to me to be able to point out the obvious. Including the good Governor attempting to influence the Mid Term National Elections.

ThatRobGuy said:

...and the real irony in all this?, is that the conversations that are presented as "we need to have a honest no holds barred, no-nonsense conversation about slavery and its impact" often exclusively fixates on the historical sins of the one and only culture (Westernized/Euro) that doesn't still actively practice it.

Various forms of slavery (sex slavery, forced labor) still exist for 50 million people across ~150 different countries (in South America, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and Eastern Europe)

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Making it legal that people could be property, and having that as the main economic basis for a whole region, and fighting a huge horrible war to maintain that setup really is another level. And then how such vicious racism persisted for so long afterward.

The whole matter (including the long grinding fight for justice) truly was defining for the character of our country in a way that these other "various forms" generally arent for other countries.

sjastro said:

You miss the self professed genius whose posting history shows the stark opposite, I don't.

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At least he was entertaining, rather than... whatever's going on here now.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

It appears that forgiveness/salvation/righteousness through the works of the law is your core belief. Do you have any fear that your works may let you down in the end?

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I do not hold the position that we should obey works of the law but have only spoken in favor of followers of Christ following his example of obedience to the Law of God. I have not spoken in favor of earning our forgiveness/salvation/righteousness as the result of our obedience to the Law of God, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of His law is intrinsically part of the content of His gift of those things.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

So far Trump is above the law. Anyways, if someone says something negative about Trump. He will get people to turn on them.

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Not fun when the shoe is on the other foot. I would argue that this was the biggest reason why so many political elites tried so desperately to keep Trump from going back into the office. Because he would go after all the people who did a lot of illegal stuff to protect their corruption.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I miss @Mountainmike now. I really do, despite there being no common ground between the two of us, or between him and anyone else really.

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You miss the self professed genius whose posting history shows the stark opposite, I don't.

linux.poet said:

I mean, love has to exist outside the context of suffering, because the 3 persons of the Trinity perfectly love each other in heaven. Heaven isn’t a place of suffering as far as I’m aware.

Consider also an idyllic romantic scene - a honeymoon, for example. You have a couple who are in love engaging in intimate physical relations, talking and praying with each other, walking out in nature, cuddling up while watching TV. Is this couple suffering in that moment? I don’t think so. Do they love each other? Yes.

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Maybe.. just for me.. whenever I psychologically dive for a reason I feel love.. it involves the concept of pain and suffering under some form to function.

I sometimes wonder if others are simply not introspective enough when it comes to recognizing this in themselves?

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They are giving themselves to each other in love, the gift of their presence, body, emotional attention in conversation, and so on. Is this difficult? Not necessarily in that moment. It may be difficult to sustain that over a lifetime, but right now the chemicals are flowing, so they are at peace.

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Which often involves masculinity and femininity. The masculine focusing on strength and sacrifice. Femininity focusing on vulnerability. Both concepts that highly involve suffering or potential suffering.

linux.poet said:

Likewise, the three persons of the Trinity give themselves to each other frequently. In heaven, we will be praising and thanking God for Him saving us. Our gratitude is our gift we give to Him, our worship is what He deserves. Our presence, honor, praise, and worship glorify Him. We’re not suffering up there, but we still love God.

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Still.. worshipping and constantly thanking a God who died on the cross for us heavily involves the concept of suffering and love.

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Suffering is what gives life meaning, but it is not love. In fact, the absence of love causes suffering. Consider the young couple I mentioned earilier - if they ignored each other on their honeymoon for the vast majority of the time, that would likely be unloving and cause a lot of future martial suffering. Criminals suffer in jail, but many of them have no love for the prison system and therefore just suffer.

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There are plenty of people who romanticize absence and emotional distance. You see it in romantic movies all the time. Many movies dramatize romantic turmoil and suffering. When the couple typically finally works everything out and the turmoil stops the credits roll. Talking to other women myself, they like drama in real life too. I know the emotional drive myself.

While there is some romanticization of prison in popular culture, I don't think many of them have any real reason to romanticize being in prison. High profile prisoners more so of a reason but your average nobody prisoner probably not.

Are we inching even closer to the government owning the means of production?
What’s “conservative” about this!?

Always in His Presence said:

The change is not for the good of the citizens of California

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The citizens of California will be the judge of that.

But I'm glad we're in violent agreement about what this is about, now that I've answered your questions.

Oompa Loompa said:

And my point remains the same. If Bolton was deliberately keeping classified information, is it wrong for the FBI to come to his home and seize it. If so, would that mean Bolton is above the law?

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The Trump admin tried going after Bolton and it went no where once it hit the courts.
So given that and Trump and Patel's open disdain for Bolton, don't be surprised there is no there "there".
(truth be told I don't like the guy either for war mongering coup d'état reasons)

rambot said:

Everyone is also aware that big balls was hitting on the 14 year old girl...then the boy and girl started beating him.

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Link? Police report? anything other than because you say so?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

And if all do it but James singles out Trump, that is just fine right? Also banks do NOT loan based on what an applicant tells them, they do their own appraisals...otherwise they would go under really quickly lol

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There have been dozens who have faced breaking that statute. I would suggest you read about the trials instead of just winging it.

essentialsaltes said:

Because Texas. Are you even paying attention to the news?

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What does Texas have to do with California? if you re the governor - nothing - if you are vying for office and trying to influence the National Mid Terms elections - everything.

essentialsaltes said:

Because it did its job in 2021 and won't do it again until after the next census.

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Yup - that is what the voters wanted and put in place. Now the mid terms are coming and the good Governor wants to change what the voters already decided and voted on wants a TEMPORARY change - why? because the National Mid Terms are coming and he wants to influence them - there is no other reason for them to do it.

essentialsaltes said:

Yes. It's not a subterfuge or something. He is boldly stating "The Texas legislature is doing this, so I'm asking the people of California to let our legislature do the same temporarily until the next redistricting in 2030."

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Right he wants to influence a National Mid Term election just this one time.

We got it - plain as day. The change is not for the good of the citizens of California, but for the influence of the Democratic Party.

@Zceptre At any rate, I'll see what these dreams are worth.

What I did not write in the previous posts is that there were many smaller dreams in which I received the words such as "You will" or "You'll have it", or "It will be done" or "It will be done in XX months", whenever in my dreams I said I'm oppressed/cursed/unlucky/I'll never have, someone came and said the those words. I also received words in my dreams of trust, such as "Trust me".

I can't tell whether these were from God or the devil. It's been a long time, and I see nothing. Quoting the scripture is well and good, but in the dreams I asked for specifics, and the replies were based on those specifics. And nothing yet.

The way that I have lived my life is that I put all trust in God. But.. if He doesn't do anything, in the very near future I will no longer exist. It's mathematical certainty. And nothing seems to be steering away from this situation. It seems to be going (very slowly) in that direction. Maybe God wants me gone. But it doesn't explain, why the wait? And also doesn't explain why this "building" of me. My mind, the knowledge, the wisdom, the intuition, the distinction of what to do and not to do, all have been increasing in the last years. If He going to let me die, why the effort? Why the investment in something that will never do anything? The problem that I have at the moment prevents from doing anything, either for God, or myself. Which means I cannot help anyone, nor can I live my earthly life. And will continue to do so wither until He finishes me, or until He begins to help me.

Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!

Trump says Intel has agreed to deal for US to take 10% equity stake​

President Donald Trump said on Friday the U.S. would take a 10% stake in Intel (INTC.O), opens new tab under a deal with the struggling chipmaker and is planning more such moves, the latest extraordinary intervention by the White House in corporate America.

The development follows a meeting between Tan and Trump earlier this month that was sparked by Trump's demand for the Intel chief's resignation over his ties to Chinese firms.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said on X that the deal had been completed. "The United States of America now owns 10% of Intel," he wrote, saying Tan had struck a deal "that's fair to Intel and fair to the American People."

The Intel investment would be the latest of several unusual deals with U.S. companies, including agreeing to allow AI chip giant Nvidia (NVDA.O), opens new tab to sell its H20 chips to China in exchange for the U.S. government receiving 15% of those sales.

[They were prevented from selling them to China because of national security issues, but if you cut in the government for a piece of the action, the national security issues go away, it seems.]

The Pentagon is also slated to become the largest shareholder in a small mining company to boost output of rare earth magnets and the U.S. government negotiated for itself a "golden share" with certain veto rights as part of a deal to allow Nippon Steel to buy U.S. Steel.

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From tariffs to skimming profits to owning parts of companies (and providing grants to those companies), the Government is extending control over formerly free enterprise. This has gone beyond sticking a thumb on the scale and just tossing the scale and making up rules as they go.

Yep, I wondered why the past week while on a bus I noticed trees

like I never noticed or thought about earlier.

Just checked out an article based on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

based on"Man is a tree of the field." Deuteronomy 20:19.

Long article, here a little............,as a tree has roots, body/trunk, branches that bear fruit
so too the spiritual life of man also includes roots, branches and leaves are the body,

the body of our spiritual lives.

Though the verse asks a question, "Is man a tree of the field"

nevertheless, any anology will limp if kicked hard enough.

Viki_rrr said:

Hello, my name is Victoria. I grew up in a country with secular views, but the most widespread religion here is Islam. My family are not very devout Christians; since childhood I went to church, was baptized in Orthodoxy, but I could not call myself truly faithful. Until I came of age, I lived, in some sense, a rather reckless lifestyle: I got acquainted with alcohol and cigarettes early on. At the age of eighteen, I began to take an interest in Christianity, and to be honest, that was the worst year of my life. I started thinking more about religion, and this gradually helped me come out of a crisis. Of course, I read the Bible, prayed, but honestly, I am sure that my knowledge is not well-structured, and I would like to hear your advice: where is the best place for me to start?

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To know that Jesus Christ is God and Man, read John 1:1-18. That Jesus Christ was prophesied to bear our sins (read Isaiah 53). For a good overview of what being Christian is in our relationship
to Jesus Christ read Colossians 1 & Romans 13. To know the law that Jesus Christ had to fulfill Deuteronomy 5 & 6, Leviticus 18, 19, & 20 and how Jesus fulfilled it read John 3:16-21, Ephesians 2:8-18. The Gospel preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, 6, & 7 & Matthew 22:36-40 & Luke 10:25-37.

To know our human predicament read Romans 1, 2, & 3 taking note that chapter 2 focuses more from the individual level while the other chapters on our overall human race. To know where Jesus Christ tells us Who God is as Father, Son, & Holy Spirit read John 14, 15, & 16 and how this relates to keeping the commandments (like Romans 13:8-10 etc). To know the Lord's resurrection, read 1 Corinthians 15.


The Apostles and Nicene Creeds are helpful.






While encouraging you to speak with different Christians in Christian Forums, there is also an Orthodox Christian sub forum.



It used to be more active but it is still very much alive.

Vambram said:

If city laws override federal laws, then we might as well not have any federal laws. By the way, what's wrong with turning over criminal illegal immigrants to ICE? Why do liberals appear to be on the same side as criminals?

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Writing a city law that says (in effect) that city funds cannot be used to enforce Federal Immigration Law, would be a valid law.