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LIVE UPDATES: Shooting at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

Two children were killed and multiple victims injured in a shooting during an opening school year Mass at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis on Wednesday.

In times of tragedy, the Church turns to prayer. The Catholic Church believes that prayer can effect real change — not just in the heart of the person praying but in the world. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Prayer and Christian life are inseparable” (CCC, 2745) and that prayer is a “vital necessity” (CCC, 2743).

The popular global prayer app Hallow haslaunched a prayer campaign for “healing for the injured, comfort for students, staff, and families, and the peace of Christ to be with all who were present.”

The Church also calls on the prayers of Mary and the saints to intercede for us. Below is a litany written specifically to be prayed after a school shooting.

Continued below.
May God grant the children who were killed eternal rest. May God comfort their families in his love. May Mary wrap all the children in her mantle. May St. Joseph wrap all the children in his cloak.

Lord, in your mercy, hear our prayer!

Amen!

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What evidence is there for the historical events of Exodus, David, or Solomon?

Frankly the question I want to ask if "How do you deal with there NOT being any evidence for any of that"

Lack of evidence does not always make something false.
or "How do you make sense of archaeological evidence directly contradicting the Old Testament (the size of Israel/Jerasulem under David & Solomon for one).".
When reading about a new archaeological discovery, we cannot casually
accept the media’s interpretation, especially if it discredits the Bible.

"Don’t take for granted that the experts are always right.
Always check the actual facts, and consider them
objectively alongside a thorough reading of the biblical text.

When we take this approach, we will often be surprised to
learn that many of the discoveries that supposedly
“disprove the Bible” actually do the opposite."

Case in point, some top archaeological discoveries in 2021

I cannot stop thinking about this question! Every time I watch any content and they talk about Moses, Solomon, or David all I can think of is that they never existed the way the OT says. If they did why is there zero evidence to support those claims?

I love the science of biblical Archaeology, and I think it is false to say that there is
"No" evidence on these subjects. Many articles on these subjects here. below.

Abraham

"Israel" - not in Egypt?

Moses

Exodus

Jerusalem
Uncovering the Bible’s Buried Cities/Civilizations

King David

King Solomon
I think the science of archaeology is more and more proving
the historical accuracy of the bible, not discrediting it.

“For thy servants take pleasure in her stones,
and favor the dust thereof” (Psalm 102:14).
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LIVE UPDATES: Shooting at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

I am not trying to trivialize the tragedy of this horrible situation, but it didn't take long for the extreme left wing to "not let this tragedy go to waste" and to start caterwauling for more gun control:


But the thing is, even if they had already confiscated every last firearm in the country, would it have made a difference?

No.

Because the problem is not access to guns. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people with fertilizer and fuel oil. The 9/11 jihadists killed 2,996 people with airplanes. In New York City, 87 people were killed by arson when a guy set a building on fire with $1.00 worth of gasoline. In Japan, terrorists killed 13 people with sarin gas released into the subways. In China, a mass stabbing attack with knives left 33 people dead and 143 more injured. 84 people were killed in Nice, France, when a guy ran over a crowd pf people with a truck.

The choice of weapon is irrelevant, because it's not the problem. The problem is that we have no standards of moral restraint left in this country any more. 60 years ago, people had guns, too, but nobody went out and shot up schools and churches. Now why was that?

Because 60 years ago, we still had a standard of Judeo-Christian morality in America. The Left removed that, and along with it, the fear of eternal consequences. There is no fear of eternal punishment after death in our culture. People grow up with no knowledge of God, and what little they do know, they mock. They think that after you die, it's oblivion. So, they have no qualms about doing things like this, because they have no concept of consequences. In the past, when we still had a Judeo-Christian moral structure in our society, people were dissuaded from doing horrific acts like this out of a dread of everlasting hellfire. But they no longer believe in hell; or in a devil; or even in the existence of evil. And until our culture reverses that trend, stuff like this will continue. It's a cultural and ethical problem, not a weapon problem. Blaming guns for school shootings is like blaming forks for obesity.

And then, there is also the aspect that at least five of the mass shooters over the last ten years or so (including the Minneapolis shooter) were transgender....and an even larger number of them had some kind of mental aberration or condition, or had a history of being bullied, or were reclusive in some way, existing on the fringes of society. Again: 60 years ago, most of those people would have been in institutions, off the streets, and receiving some sort of care. But from the early 1960s up to the present time, facilities that would have treated people like this have been shut down: resident occupants of psychiatric institutions have fallen by 93% since 1955. The "halfway houses" or "community-based treatment" ideas never developed, with the result that a lot of mentally ill people ended up on the streets, and newer patients that came along had no place to go, either. Some of those people became shooters.

The conclusion is that blaming the gun will not solve the problem, because the gun is not at the root of the problem. Spiritual nihilism, lack of a moral compass, mental illness, and societal problems like school bullying, domestic abuse, alcoholism, and drug abuse are.
Very well said, sir!
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LIVE UPDATES: Shooting at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

I just can’t get over targeting praying children. And if I heard right, I believe his mother retired from working at that Church?
Yes. He was also an alumni from the school. But he hated God.

He has passed through judgment now.

May God avenge the children's blood!
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Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

ICE detention of student was ‘unconstitutional racial profiling,’ family alleges in claim

  • A $1-million damage claim targets the Trump administration for the detention of a 15-year-old U.S. citizen just outside of Arleta High School in Los Angeles.
  • Federal authorities call the incident a case of mistaken identity.
Officials added: “This is a case study of billboard law firms trying to turn family resemblance into racial animus to collect clicks, clout, and cash.”

About seven minutes after the confrontation began, officers were persuaded they had detained the wrong person.

An officer then joked, to mother and son, that the boy would have an exciting experience to tell his friends about.

“There’s nothing exciting about getting guns pointed at you, especially when you’re a 15-year-old,” [Mom] Mejia said.

Immigration agents attempted to enter two Los Angeles elementary schools in April, but the principals turned them away. The Arleta High incident renewed concerns because it happened on the campus perimeter. Immigration agents also recently arrested — on Aug. 8 — an 18-year-old Reseda High senior as he was walking the family dog near their Van Nuys home.
Big whoop. LE makes mistakes all the time across rhe country regarding mistaken identity.

This lasted a whole 7 minutes. 7 minutes? Thats nothing. Laws are clear rhat when you stop someone it shouldn't last longer than necessary. 7 minutes is about as short of time as you can get from start to finish.
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He was a biological male who identified as a woman. He held anti-Semitic views and, from what I have read, he had a fascination with Satanism and possibly other Occult ideologies.
Sin leads to other sin.

Absolutely disgusting!
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

I’m all ears. What are your plans for dealing with the devil so we can stop these mass shooters?
I think he's talking about sin? Transsexualism= sin

Sin begets sin.

But I don't think that can be debated on its morality.

He can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Bolton has been Mar a Lago'd!

Oh I wouldn't make the claim Trump is infallible. It's not even about Trump - it's about the Never Trumper's. It's all about them.
I was not suggesting you think Trump is infallible.
But if someone honestly thinks Trump has done something wrong and explains why and not a single Trump supporter addresses their points and calls them brainwashed they end up thinking all Trump supporters are part of cult that thinks he is infallible
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

Is it true the shooter was a transvestite, who changed his name from Robert to Robin? This demon shot little children at a Mass.!!! That is the most unholy of unholy things one could do,
Transsexual, but yes. He "identified" as a woman.

No, I will not respect his chosen name nor pronouns because he was a murderer.

May God avenge the blood of the little children!
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Joe Biden threw open the border to rig the census — and elections for Democrats

Two of the states with the largest number of illegal aliens are Florida and Texas. I wonder if Trump has given that any thought when he proposed to not count them in the census.

Apparently, the SCOTUS has ruled that, as the 14th Amendment requires,that all residents be counted.
SCOTUS was wrong on that count. I dont believe for a second that the intent was to count illegal residents as a method to decide representation. Since illegals can't vote for their represenatives. Just like Roe v Wade, it would be nice to see it over turned.
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Powell admits Trump was right

Sure, it's a great idea to allow the USA to continue to be taken advantage of by the globalists and nations in global trade. .... NOT.
That's Trump talk and he doesn't know what he's talking about nor what he's doing.
Which again is why his Ouji board tariff rate where not one deal has been fully completed is why loan rates haven't dropped.
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Fasting and the transfiguration

8 So he got up and ate and drank, and the food gave him enough strength to travel forty days and forty nights to Mount Sinai, the mountain of God. [1Ki 19:8 NLT]
So it seems that for Moses and Elijah Mt Sinai was involved. For the transfiguration "tradition has identified it as Mount Tabor in Israel, though some scholars suggest Mount Hermon as another possibility"... (another Mount).
Though they both went to Mount Sinai, fasting for 40 days just having water is nowhere near as impressive as Moses' fast without water. I mean I thought Elijah would copy what Moses did...
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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

Uh, how about stop talking about guns, your politics bore me now. Let's talk about the devil or Satan today.
I’m all ears. What are your plans for dealing with the devil so we can stop these mass shooters?
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