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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

It's also why most gun reform calls for the banning of high-capacity magazines in conjunction with an assault-style weapons ban. High-capacity magazines are used in over half of mass shootings.
And 100% of mass murderers are mentally disordered. Apply the Pareto principle to the stats.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

All this Gerrymandering uproar from the left is nothing but a bunch of hypocrites whining over things they do when it looks like it might effect them. Its like slapping someone in the face and thinking it was a wonderful act and the going nuts when someone slaps them.

Hypocrites all.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

No - it's not like you said.
Not at all.
Listen to other people. Read the articles. Learn.


Why would I listen to any of this when you have not demonstrated an understanding of this conversation?


You're calling "The Economist" that? Wow.
I guess when Fox news is your only source - anything 'Least biased' screams communism? :oldthumbsup: :doh:
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The Republican Party is dead - long live MAGA!



Australia sure does have our flaws!
BUT - we have safe enough mail in voting for weeks before an election.
We have independent, objective electoral bodies at the Federal and State level. (No Gerrymandering!)

We have super-ABUNDANT voting booths on a Saturday, usually in the local public school or town hall, so that at the most we might wait 15 minutes to half an hour.
(We don't make that ethnic electorate wait 8 hours in the sun on a workday Tuesday to vote - discouraging poorer, paid by the shift workers from voting!)

We have a democracy sausage after voting.
We hang out and chat afterwards.
It's a community event.

We also have COMPULSORY VOTING! That means the politicians must appeal to the bored middle - not the frenzied edges that actually have the motivation to vote.

In other words - with all our faults - our democratic institutions are fairer and healthier and less 'rigged' like this Texas business forcing Newsom to reply!


No - but the democratic institutions ARE better because we haven't had Gerrymandering for decades!

It's not there yet - but it's moving in that direction, as judged by a number of organisations.


Nope! Your country has drifted so far into right-wing extremism you don't HAVE a left!

You don't know what a real left party even looks like - and I'm not even talking Communism.
Your country seems "binary" with economics. You seem to think there's "free market" and "Socialist". What about Social-Liberal, or even Ordo-Liberal? Don't know what that is? Ooops!

There are many other settings on the economic dial as well.

Your 'left' might go on about gender issues - but even Bernie Sanders would be on the far-right of our Conservative Party!
Why? His attitude to healthcare! "Single Payer" just does not go far enough to even qualify for our Conservative Coalition!

We cover ALL Australian citizens with healthcare - at half the cost of America. How? Go figure. I'll let you google that - you might learn something about the many other settings on that economic dial!



I could wish that would happen for the sake of your poor. As it is - the Christian right in America have sacrificed their consciences at the altar of economic conservatism that robs the poor to reward the rich, giving multi-million dollar tax cuts to the uber-rich while kicking the bottom 16 million Americans off healthcare.



Depends what you're talking about.
I don't remember American citizens being dragged off the streets and put behind barbed wire fenced enclosures just for the 'crime' of looking 'ethnic' or working in a hardware store! Masked authorities taking people away? Now where have I seen that before? Oh yeah...
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Um, by rewarding the uber rich and punishing the poor?
My treating desperate immigrants as criminals when statistics show they are less likely to commit crime and as a net group BENEFIT the American GDP far more than any welfare costs?


Reality? Really?
Like vaccines are bad for the population, like climate change isn't real, like Trump is wonderful and helped end 6 wars this year and deserves the Nobel Peace Prize?

Reality? Wow. MAGA are the anti-reality anti-science, anti-medicine party.


Oh riiiight.
Those jobs American native born citizens don't want to do - but 'illegals' fleeing drug gangs that stole their other teenage daughter into the prostitution industry - they're the bad guys? A father brings his surviving family members to America to escape these Central American drug gangs. They leave their other daughter behind - there's no way to get her back - she's gone to them and they're grieving. They get to America just to save their other children and daughters from all that. And they're desperate! So they collect the garbage or pump the gas. These 'terrible illegals' are so desperate to live in the USA they commit about HALF the crime of native born, and work ANY job - these terrible people are 'stealing your jobs'?

Studies show native born Americans don't WANT those jobs in the first place!

Why not watch that old doco - "A day without Mexicans"? See what life in California would look like without these "terrible people"? It turns out they're not "eating the dogs" - they're the ones cleaning up dog poop. They're the ones taking out the trash, washing the dishes, pumping the gas, doing all the thankless background work that helps a city run.

What happened to the days when Republicans used to see human beings as economic units - a form of human capital that would increase the GDP of America?

MAGA happened. Trump happened. Racism happened.
And you claim your country isn't suffering democratic decline?
Don't make me laugh!
Nothing but a bunch of leftist tripe. Our country is moving forward. Slowly leaving the leftist ideology behind. But I know, Australia is the best country in the world. Maybe we ought to ship.our 20 million illegals there. They can steal your jobs and murder people, cause terrible accidents and lower your wages and upset your political systems.

Yeah we get it. Australia is awesome, Australia is great, Australia is the best country in the world while youve given yourselves over to the authoritarianism and lack of freedom of the left which all leftists love. Somehow rounding up criminals is suddenly a bad thing, suddenly making a city safer from criminality is a bad thing.

And all those things you claim are being done by Mexicans could be done by Americans or LEGAL Mexicans. We have a pathway here of coming here legally and participating in the American dream in a legal way. You dont need to be stealing people's identities. There is a pathway to legal entry and legal jobs. We are happy to have you follow our laws and live and work here in a legal fashion.

You know all those American poor everyone is talking about? Well they could do those jobs as well. Work construction, work in motels, work in kitchens etc instead of collecting handouts from the rest of us who are working.
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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

Which misses the entire point. God loves us so much that God the Son died on the cross for us while we were still His enemies. If the One we call our Master loves us, and from the cross forgave those who crucified him, how then can we do otherwise toward others? Who they are doesn't matter, and for us that can sometimes be a hard thing, but it didn't matter to God, so how can we let that matter to us?

How, then, can we justify hatred of a person, regardless of who they are? Oh, the world does that, but Christians are to be of Christ and not of the world.

Looking over the posts, there's a whole lot of hate here. It's one thing to say that Ms. Babbitt didn't rate a military burial because of participating in the January 6 riot; quite another to hate her personally for that. Not that, I suspect, how she was buried mattered a whole lot to her, but it did to her family, and funerals are for the living, not the dead. My point being that while this section is open to non-Christians, should Christians agree with hate?

Looking at the hate, I really wonder if any Christian should be associated with CF at all.
Call me old fashioned but people part of a mob looking to interfere with democracy zeroing in on an area where elected representatives are sheltering-in-place being shot by said representatives security aren’t exactly the people who I add to my Christmas card list.
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6,000 Years?

Why are they not written records?
There are no written language records because written language didn't exist. Again however, there are artistic records, archaeological records, and fossil records.
Again, according to History…the world’s first civilization was ~6000 years ago and recorded History began approximately 6000 years ago. Using the genealogies from the Bible creation was ~6000 years ago. I’m not asking whether you believe anything…but how can you not stop and think wow what a coincidence.

How about this: the world’s first civilization (according to History) was in the same region as Eden (Mesopotamia) and the creation setting of mankind. Another coincidence? Those are head scratching facts.
Let me make it crystal clear:
- The 6,000 year old "civilization" idea is being hotly challenged right now due to new archaeological evidence from over the last 25 or so years.
- I don't ascribe to the idea that a "civilization" must have the entire package (wheel, domesticated plants and animals, art, written language, etc.) to qualify as a "civilization", it is honestly such a narrow understanding of how people work together as to be useless.
- Recorded written history began about 6,000 years ago, but it is honestly disingenuous to present it as if there just wasn't' history before then or that the history we can see in the archaeological record doesn't matter since it is not "written". It isn't like history just began when someone started writing cuneiform tablets in Sumer. People were communicating in pictograms before then, writing didn't spring out of nothing.
- Even if you want to date "civilization" to 6,000 years ago we have loads of evidence of people across the globe from before then doing all sorts of the things people do, so it isn't particularly relevant that YEC claim 6,000 years and most historians up to the recent past say "civilization" started 6,000 years ago.
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F.B.I. Plans to Lower Recruiting Standards

...to fill an anticipated 5,000 positions by September......

The Trump administration is preparing to lower the recruitment standards for F.B.I. agents, eliciting alarm from many agents who worry that the move will undermine the agency’s primary mission of conducting complex investigations and tracking threats to national security.

Under a plan pushed by the director, Kash Patel, and his deputy, Dan Bongino, the F.B.I. will start welcoming new classes of recruits who will receive less training and no longer be required to have a college degree, according to people familiar with the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it.

The shift comes as the agency anticipates losing more than 5,000 employees by September, largely as a result of agents, analysts and others taking severance or early retirement packages offered by the Trump administration to try to reduce the budget.

Instead of spending about 18 weeks training at the academy in Quantico, Va., the group of agents, tentatively scheduled to start in October, will receive eight weeks, according to the people. And the agents will no longer need to fulfill a longstanding requisite for joining the bureau: a bachelor’s degree.

So much for the party of “we hate DEI.”
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F.B.I. Plans to Lower Recruiting Standards

...to fill an anticipated 5,000 positions by September......

The Trump administration is preparing to lower the recruitment standards for F.B.I. agents, eliciting alarm from many agents who worry that the move will undermine the agency’s primary mission of conducting complex investigations and tracking threats to national security.

Under a plan pushed by the director, Kash Patel, and his deputy, Dan Bongino, the F.B.I. will start welcoming new classes of recruits who will receive less training and no longer be required to have a college degree, according to people familiar with the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it.

The shift comes as the agency anticipates losing more than 5,000 employees by September, largely as a result of agents, analysts and others taking severance or early retirement packages offered by the Trump administration to try to reduce the budget.

Instead of spending about 18 weeks training at the academy in Quantico, Va., the group of agents, tentatively scheduled to start in October, will receive eight weeks, according to the people. And the agents will no longer need to fulfill a longstanding requisite for joining the bureau: a bachelor’s degree.

Trump to sign executive order directing AG to prosecute flag desecration

@Bradskii @Tropical Wilds

Getting back on topic. I stand by my original statement about how Americans can be proud to know that they have better free speech that the UK. So wave Old Glory with pride. Don't burn it.
I’m super proud that part of that free speech includes the right to burn a flag in protest (in a way consistent with local fire laws).

But I suspect the goalposts are about to do another little tap dance and when you say “I’m proud of our free speech,” you mean “I’m proud of the free speech I like to hear.”
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Trump to sign executive order directing AG to prosecute flag desecration

European Christianity doesn't support freedom of speech because Europeans doesn't support freedom of speech. Other than instructions on having self-control over your mouth, the Bible remains silent on the topic.
Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no- Jesus of Nazareth
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Democrat Appellate Judge overturns half billion dollar fine

Well no, he was presumed GUILTY before the trail. She said it PUBLICLY. The only thing she proved was that she could get Trump in a liberal State with a liberal judge. Railroaded! The verdict will tossed out too...
Prosecutors should be certain that the people they have brought charges against are (in fact) guilty of said charges; saying it out loud in public is (get ready) “normal”.
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The USA's 250th birthday to be celebrated with Octagon UFC/MMA fight, possibly on the White House South Lawn

UFC CEO Dana White says White House card is officially happening after meeting with Trump administration

UFC CEO Dana White announced on social media that he had productive meetings at the White House on Thursday and indicated they are really moving forward with the spectacle for next year's Fourth of July celebration:


Details for the card remain scarce, but White has hinted at the event being held on the South Lawn of the White House, while Trump spoke of setting enough seating for 20,000 to 25,000 people.

"The difference with the White House is I don't think they've ever had anything very heavy out on the lawn, and the Octagon alone weighs 20,000 pounds."

The event would be the first professional sporting event hosted at the White House in U.S. history, though there have been many recreational events.

President Donald Trump, who has ties to White and the UFC going back decades, floated the idea around this year's Fourth of July and the two sides quickly started working things out.

see also:
How odd.
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Trump to sign executive order directing AG to prosecute flag desecration

I think it is amazing how liberal white women know more about racism than the black men in this thread.
Why? You made clear you know more about the experience of women than women do despite not being a woman. You’ve made clear you are pretty solidly Ok with a demographic outside of the one being addressed being a better expert at that demographic than them.

Or is this not a case of what’s good for the gander being good for the goose? The goalposts move so rapidly it’s hard to keep up.
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WHAT DOE PAUL MEAN IN. ROM. 16:25 ??

Paul was filled with danger within, just like everyone else. By his own admissions.

Mark 7:21-23

Evil really does come from within Dan, regardless of claims to the contrary
And Paul is still the Apostle to the Gentles. and whether. anyone does not like Paul , and sorry to. here you. say THAT !!

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