Colo Millz said:

So those who endure "calamity" deserve it?

Like the child dying of diptheria?

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Do the baby rattlesnakes in the backyard where my children play deserve to die?

ARBITER01 said:

People who were saved but decided to go over to satan's side,.... ie betray GOD like satan did.

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No; read post #568.
The Jewish Christians in the church were tempted to avoid the persecution that was probably coming to Christians. They could have done this by saying, "no, we're Jewish" and returning to the synagogues. But the synagogues, and therefore the Jews, would not have accepted them unless they made a public confession and retracted their statements that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah.

Hence, they had tasted God's grace and salvation, they were being tempted to deny Christ - if it came to it, to save their lives. Their hope was that when it was safe again, they would once again leave the synagogues, repent again and seek to live as Christians. The author says that this is despising Jesus' salvation, "trampling the blood or Christ underfoot."

I don't think persecution had yet reached this church, because in chapter 12 the author says, "you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood." But it was clearly a possibility, something that was being talked about and a temptation that was being considered.

Always in His Presence said:

Is it at all possible that part of the reason is the pathetic strength, or lack there of, of the Canadian Dollar

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No, because the situation is not significantly different than it has been for the past 3 years.

Indeed, the CAD has strengthened against the dollar since Trump took over. And that's the period over which Canadian tourism has cratered.

Always in His Presence said:

Everything is almost 40% more in the US because of the weakness of their economy.

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Only if you think the coincidental name of dollar is meaningful.

Everything is not "35% more expensive" in England because the pound is 35% bigger than the dollar.

Chesterton said:

I'm not sure what point your posts are trying to make, but if I assume the worst, then you're equating simple typos on keyboards and phones intended for Twitter and CF with a President of the United States speaking in prepared, important formal speeches. And Obama did it in two different speeches. Amazingly, no one around him corrected him after the first time. Most likely he surrounded himself with people who didn't know any better either.

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Well, some of the people he surrounded himself with were able to kill Osama bin Laden during his first term. Unlike his predecessor who couldn't say library or nuclear.

A New Dawn said:

And I explained the good things men did in response to the horror of slavery several times.

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That's not the same thing as saying that there were good things about slavery, as Trump and Cotton did.

A New Dawn said:

If you can’t remember what I wrote go back and reread it and stop attributing lies to me.

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I'm not saying you're lying. If you agree that they are wrong to say that there were good things about slavery, then we're on the same page.

Ligurian said:

However, I don't know what you mean by "essentialism"... but DNA makes your race essential, whether you like it or not.

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Wrong. The Human Genome Project debunked that notion finally and absolutely.

When scientists unveiled the first draft of the Human Genome Project 25 years ago, it seemed to deliver the final word on some antiquated myths about race. It provided definitive evidence that racial groupings have no biological basis. In fact, there is more genetic variation within racial groups than between them. Race, it showed, is a social construct.

boughtwithaprice said:

The fact is that scripture has been translated which means that not all reflect the original meaning. They are the opinions of men.
To find the meaning, it is beneficial to study original texts in the original language and not rely 100% in our favorite translation

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Yes that is true. Which is why I have Lexicons and dictionaries of the original languages for examination upon unclear issues. Nevertheless, translations have of course been highly contested, which is why many bibles were within the papacies forbidden books lists. As though educated adults need to be told which is right or wrong, as though they were not capable of figuring this out for themselves, therefore being forbidden to read and decide for themselves. For more than just a little while, actually being punished with penalties up to torture and death. by supposedly other "Christians".

o_mlly said:

Obviously, your hubris blinds you. And, your claiming to know what I think, serves to confirm that fact. Adios.

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My hubris? Do you believe you know biology better than professional biologists?

Ligurian said:

(Kinda seems like white is a racial term... as in "Crabby Old White Guy"... )

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Of course. Race is a reality. It's just not a biological reality. There are no biological human races. It's a cultural construct. That's why the number of races depends on the culture.

Ligurian said:

The world was thinking eugenics at the time of the first two world wars, America included, so it was a centralist position, back in the day.

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Yeah, the Nazis gave credit to a number of American eugenicists (they carried the idea far beyond anything Americans advocated, of course). One of the interesting things was that a scientist convinced the War Department to give an IQ test to every conscripted soldier. He announced that white conscripts were more intelligent than black conscripts. What he didn't say was that the data also showed that northern black conscripts were more intelligent than southern white conscripts.

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By the way, Culture belongs to Nation and Race...

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You've never spent a lot of time in the Rio Grande Valley, um?

Was it charitable or free enterprise?

Always in His Presence said:

By their own voices stating so in the link I already posted.

Allegations - gotcha-

What are the Facts? Three key people with first hand knowledge and flight logs

1. Trumps own Denial
2. Flight logs showing he was never at the PRIVATE Island (not like there is an airport there.
3. Maxwell's own dire4ct testimony
4. The victims own words.

***Note*** if we are not going to tick to facts then all the allegations on Jan 6 need to be withdrawn.

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Fact - Trump is not releasing the files and calling them a hoax.
Fact - Trump complained that Epstein "stole" Virgina Guiffre and others from Mar -a-lago
Fact; Trump and Epstein were fast friends for years, and Trump was aware he like the girls young.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” He knew.

Fact: Michael Wolff interviewed Epstein and has hours of tapes of their conversation with much of it about Trump. They can be found on The Daily Beast. Also, Wolff has talked about it in interviews.
Fact: Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar who could not be put up on the stand to defend herself and
Fact: Maxwell was rewarded for saying Trump was a gentleman with the unprecedented move of a sex trafficker to a minimum security prison.
Fact: We have Trump himself talking about kissing women and grabbing them by the privates without their consent
Fact: We have Trump himself bragging about going into the dressing rooms of the pageant contestants to "inspect" - his word from his mouth. He said they would be naked - his words.
Fact: Donald was found liable for sexual assault, which the judge described as rape as most understand it.
Fact: Donald has lied so many times and always denies any accusation, that he is not credible.

I'll stop there.

Fisherking said:

The 6th Seal IS THE FOURTH TRUMP come to pass. The Seals are only Prophetic Lingo !! Jesus FORETELLS two things, the Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horns life actions in the first 5 seals, he then foretells God' Full Wrath in the 6th Seal, and the 7th Seal opens the Scroll of Wrath, thus Rev. 7 is the 1/3 or 5 million Jews being Sealed or SAVED by God then Protected by God BEFORE His Wrath falls in Rev. 8. (Asteroid Impact) Trumps 1-4 are FOUR PHASES to one asteroid impact. Look it up, google what happens when a large asteroid makes impact. You will be told as it is incoming it will be on fire (no kidding, like a Mountain) and these sulfur balls that destroyed Sodom will fall and burn 1/3 of the Trees (not really 1/3 that is a DESTINATION POINT, the New World is that 1/3). Then in Trump #2 we get the IMPACT the Earth quakes as John describes it etc. Then in Trump #3 we get a poisonous FALL OUT....Of course we would.....that poisons the Fresh Waters in the New World where it hits. Trump #4 is the Smoke getting up into the Jet Steam and botting the Sun & Moon's light out by a 1/3 AND of course the moon will appear to be Blood Red because of all the fires burning on earth, it will have a Red Hue to it.

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Fisherking, a suggestion: To make your posts understandable to the reader, don't use "run-on" sentences.

Also, use one or two sentence paragraphs. Not one big one like above.

Those two things will help in your communication to others.

To be blunt sin of any kind is based on selfishness. The choice is ours, to enjoy only what this life gives forfeiting the next, or plan ahead

The Liturgist said:

Ah, so as an unpublished work, it has not been peer-reviewed in any of the academic journals that deal with the history of Christianity in Rome, the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the history of the Spanish Inquisition, or other relevant subjects. Thank you for the clarification.

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Nor was it written to specifically address those subjects, but rather certain doctrinal teachings of Roman Catholicism, as should be obvious. I have written books more specifically about the histories you mentioned above though, if you are interested.

Colo Millz said:

We were not originally “sinners by nature,” but good, very good, and are now unfinished by nature.
And I cannot agree that man is only a sinner, totally depraved.
He is divided — part light, part darkness — and his task is not to erase one half but to become conscious of both.

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He is not part light. . .his light is partial, depriving him of real sight, introducing a blindness.

Colo Millz said:

To say ‘none is good’ is true, for no man is whole without transforming and integrating his dark side.
But neither is he only evil.
He is incomplete.
The person of Christ calls him to become whole.
That is salvation: not the covering over of man’s nature with Christ’s perfection, but the awakening of Christ in the depths of the soul.

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Jesus, the Son of God who came down from heaven (Jn 3:13) says otherwise. . .one is not born with Christ in the depths of the soul.

One must be reborn of the Holy Spirit and believe in Jesus and his atoning work for the remission of their condemnation in order to have any Christ-life anywhere in them. There is no "Christ in the depth of the soul" of the unbeliever in Jesus Christ. One must be born again spiritually to have any actual connection to Christ.

The Barbarian said:

Well, let's take a look. We were talking about Trump and Cotton upset that people were saying slavery was entirely bad. You replied:

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And I explained the good things men did in response to the horror of slavery several times. If you can’t remember what I wrote go back and reread it and stop attributing lies to me.

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Mark 12:26-27 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong.” RSVCE

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When we add a little context to the scripture you have quoted above, we can see that you have pulled that verse out of context, to make it appear to say as you have chosen to believe. Not as scripture and the verse you quoted actually teach. The verse you quoted was Christ's teaching and correction of the Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection. Christ was not teaching that the saints are alive in heaven now, but rather that heir will be a resurrection.

Mrk 12:18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying, 19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed. 21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. 22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. 23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. 24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

To the contrary of what you are proposing as suggested by our Lord Himself above, if there is no resurrection, then the dead are indeed dead forever. To the contrary though, because of the resurrection, God is in fact the God of the living. This in that of course also, that those who die the first death are not really dead yet, but merely sleeping in their Saviors care until the day appointed. Amen! For as our Lord and Savior conclusively taught and stated, there is a resurrection unto life, and there is a resurrection unto damnation and death.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Valletta said:

Hebrews 11 speaks of Abraham and Moses and others, and then Hebrews 12 says:
Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us,[a RSVCE

This great cloud of witnesses is made up of saints.

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Yes it is made up of saints, but you are once again taking the scripture you quoted out of the context it was written within. Changing the meaning once again into that which you choose to believe, rather than the scriptures actually state. The list of saints in Hebrews 11, begins with the faith of Abel, whom the scripture conclusively refers to as dead. The testimony of these saints is not presented to us as from living saints in heaven, but as to the contrary, the testimony of the lives of these saints whose testimony continues on even long after and during the period of their death. Which as already stated, will end at the resurrection.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

Contrary to what you are claiming, the above scripture plainly states that at the time it was written Abel was dead. His testimony speaking even while being dead because of his faith in God. Which is the exact opposite of what you are claiming. As later verses also testify of those the chapter speaks of not yet receiving that which was promised.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

They had not received the promised heavenly country or city yet when this was written. They still desired it, and will receive it at the resurrection of life. And again at the end of the chapter under examination -

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

They have not yet received the promise, and they are not yet perfect and in heaven with God.

Valletta said:

Revelation 6:9-10 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?” RSVCE

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You may of course believe that the above testimony is a literal account of all the souls of those who have been slain for the word of God being stuffed under some altar in heaven, in order to support that which you have already chosen to believe. I however, do not believe that the above testimony is any more literal than the following scriptures testimony regarding the blood of Abel crying out to God. As such a belief would cause many contradictions within holy scripture itself.

Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Amo2 said:

No, not the same scenario at all. Holy scripture absolutely does address creation in six days

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Acording to Psalm 90 and 2Peter 3:8, how long is a "day" for God?

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Yes some have suggested as you state for centuries, but they were a minority,

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Vox populi. vox Dei?

Colo Millz said:

Anyway I honor your vision of creation and new creation. It speaks to the longing for order, rest, and new life.

But I must warn you: the individual soul does not permit the destruction of opposites.

Darkness cannot be burned away.

If you seek to destroy it, you will project it onto your neighbor, and then fight him as though he were evil incarnate.

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Sez who?

Neanderthals weren't a race, they were species. Homo Neanderthalensis.

And Gentiles does not refer to a separate race either. Gentile, in the sense of "No Jew Nor Gentile" in Galatians 3:28 means anyone who doesn't follow the Jewish faith. It's not a racial thing.

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Since I didn’t say that, you are wasting your breath.

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Well, let's take a look. We were talking about Trump and Cotton upset that people were saying slavery was entirely bad. You replied:

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I don’t know why acknowledging the good things that occurred in that whole mess is so hard for some people.

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Amo2 said:

Ignoring all scriptural statements which most obviously do support a young earth, which have been provided for you many times over by myself personally over the years, does not make them just magically disappear.

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Still haven't had any of your lot tell me how to have a literal evening and morning without an equally literal sun available to make it happen. Their usual response is to create another hitherto unknown "sun" or "light source" never even suggested in Scripture. And no, the mere existence of light doesn't get it done. That's the first clue that you're dealing with poetic/symbolic language. The writer of Genesis wasn't trying to pass along technical information, he was telling a teaching story. The story is retold in much more concise and less poetic form in John 1.

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An event which some claim to be true, but holy scripture does not support or address at all. Along with all of the other extra biblical teaching and practice in relation to Mary, who is not and will not ever be the mother of God. Who was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, certainly not the great I am, of holy scripture. She had no part in the divine nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who always has been, island always will be by virtue of the immortality which god alone has. Which He alone can impart to anyone.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

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So your argument is that Jesus was not God while in Mary’s womb, nor in the process of birth which would make her His mother? Did God abandon Himself at that time?
If Jesus was God in Mary’s womb, then she is His mother


My soul is created by God, not my mother, yet my mother is still my mother. She is due honor by God’s command.

Mary is also due honor by virtue of her motherhood, unless you say that God does not obey His own commands

The argument that Mary could be the mother of Jesus humanity apart from His divinity is absurd even by natural standards.


Do you really want to join the list of her enemies? Gen 3:15 tells us who is first on that list. Revelation 12 tells us that those that are her seed keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Is it really your desire to disavow her and deny her divine maternity?