the Latin versus the Teutonic Brain

[apollosdtr]

I do think various cultures can have somewhat differing intellectual tendencies.

But framing it in terms of "brains" sounds like some kind of racist essentialism.

When did racism become a bad thing? The Bible, upon which this forum is based, has the races of Jews and Gentiles clearly mentioned in nearly every page. Even Paul, the "no Jew nor Gentile" guy says he became a Gentile to attract the Gentiles, and states openly that he is a Jew. Obviously, in context, it's not just religion he's talking about.

The races are painstakingly painted on the Egyptian Monuments, and have scarcely changed since then.

However, I don't know what you mean by "essentialism"... but DNA makes your race essential, whether you like it or not. Science has been promoting racial statistics by saying some people carry the Neanderthal gene and tells us what those characteristics are. All men are not created equal or we'd all be tall basketball players or have blonde hair and blue eyes. Only a blind person doesn't notice racial differences... the difference is that we used to be allowed to discuss them.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Neanderthals weren't a race, they were species. Homo Neanderthalensis.

And Gentiles does not refer to a separate race either. Gentile, in the sense of "No Jew Nor Gentile" in Galatians 3:28 means anyone who doesn't follow the Jewish faith. It's not a racial thing.

 

[apollosdtr]

Precisely. Remember Carpenter was living at a time when the far right was touting eugenics. Carpenter seems to have been influenced by that bunch. Modern neurology has pretty much destroyed the idea of a "Teutonic brain" or a "Jewish brain" or whatever. Culture, however, has a powerful effect on the way we think.

(Kinda seems like white is a racial term... as in "Crabby Old White Guy"... )

The world was thinking eugenics at the time of the first two world wars, America included, so it was a centralist position, back in the day. But then, so was nationalism and self-sufficiency... And now the powers that be seem to be leading the masses in a unity/brotherhood chorus. (Tell me, citizen, are we better off now?)

By the way, Culture belongs to Nation and Race... it's why multiculturalism was pushed so very hard in Europe.

 

[The Barbarian]

(Kinda seems like white is a racial term... as in "Crabby Old White Guy"... )

Of course. Race is a reality. It's just not a biological reality. There are no biological human races. It's a cultural construct. That's why the number of races depends on the culture.

The world was thinking eugenics at the time of the first two world wars, America included, so it was a centralist position, back in the day.

Yeah, the Nazis gave credit to a number of American eugenicists (they carried the idea far beyond anything Americans advocated, of course). One of the interesting things was that a scientist convinced the War Department to give an IQ test to every conscripted soldier. He announced that white conscripts were more intelligent than black conscripts. What he didn't say was that the data also showed that northern black conscripts were more intelligent than southern white conscripts.

By the way, Culture belongs to Nation and Race...

You've never spent a lot of time in the Rio Grande Valley, um?

 

[The Barbarian]

However, I don't know what you mean by "essentialism"... but DNA makes your race essential, whether you like it or not.

Wrong. The Human Genome Project debunked that notion finally and absolutely.

When scientists unveiled the first draft of the Human Genome Project 25 years ago, it seemed to deliver the final word on some antiquated myths about race. It provided definitive evidence that racial groupings have no biological basis. In fact, there is more genetic variation within racial groups than between them. Race, it showed, is a social construct.

'Biological reality': What genetics has taught us about race

As US President Donald Trump takes aim at the Smithsonian Institution for "anti-American ideology", Adam Rutherford examines what the science of genetics has taught us about race.

www.bbc.com

 

[apollosdtr]

Neanderthals weren't a race, they were species. Homo Neanderthalensis.

And Gentiles does not refer to a separate race either. Gentile, in the sense of "No Jew Nor Gentile" in Galatians 3:28 means anyone who doesn't follow the Jewish faith. It's not a racial thing.

It's completely a racial thing... do the research:

The correct translation would be "neither Jew nor Hellene*".

* "From Hellas; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew -- Gentile, Greek."

Strong's Greek: 1672. Ἕλλην (Hellén) -- Greek

Paul defines Jew as a race in Philippians 3:4-6... of the tribe* of Benjamin...

* From phuo (compare phullon); an offshoot, i.e. Race or clan -- kindred, tribe.

Strong's Greek: 5443. φυλή (phulé) -- Tribe

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's completely a racial thing... do the research:

The correct translation would be "neither Jew nor Hellene*".

* "From Hellas; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew -- Gentile, Greek."

Strong's Greek: 1672. Ἕλλην (Hellén) -- Greek

Paul defines Jew as a race in Philippians 3:4-6... of the tribe* of Benjamin...

* From phuo (compare phullon); an offshoot, i.e. Race or clan -- kindred, tribe.

Strong's Greek: 5443. φυλή (phulé) -- Tribe

None of that proves anything at all of what you said.

But it's nice to finally see the mask coming off of you.

 

[The Barbarian]

Neanderthals weren't a race, they were species. Homo Neanderthalensis.

There's a good amount of controversy about that. They are poised just about intermediate between species and race. I'm inclined to think of the as a race of H. sapiens, but there are authorities who disagree.

And Gentiles does not refer to a separate race either. Gentile, in the sense of "No Jew Nor Gentile" in Galatians 3:28 means anyone who doesn't follow the Jewish faith. It's not a racial thing.

Correct. Gentiles were non-Jews. And "Hellene" was a cultural thing. Even among the classical Greeks, Dorians and Ionians were ethnically different. And the term also included Macedonians and Thracians.

 

[The Barbarian]

It's completely a racial thing... do the research:

The correct translation would be "neither Jew nor Hellene*".

The diaspora completely erased that issue. Jews throughout the world are most similar genetically to the people among whom they live.

 

[apollosdtr]

Of course. Race is a reality. It's just not a biological reality. There are no biological human races. It's a cultural construct. That's why the number of races depends on the culture.


Yeah, the Nazis gave credit to a number of American eugenicists (they carried the idea far beyond anything Americans advocated, of course). One of the interesting things was that a scientist convinced the War Department to give an IQ test to every conscripted soldier. He announced that white conscripts were more intelligent than black conscripts. What he didn't say was that the data also showed that northern black conscripts were more intelligent than southern white conscripts.


You've never spent a lot of time in the Rio Grande Valley, um?

Americans voted for a presidential representative who promised to keep them out of war... yep, far beyond anything the Americans advocated. At the time, most of America was Western European. Immigration has been changed since then, too.

Culture is an atmosphere and a heritage... who said it? Back in the day, lots of tests showed the racial divides from blood-type to height and build to coloring and character, etc. ad nauseam.

Today seems to be based on the mob-mentality they ran in the so-called French Revolution. The so-called German Communism was closer to how it operates in the modern United States. When the classes of educated and uneducated collide and are eventually forced to revolt... Communism happens differently to different classes. The under-educated are spurred to anarchy and looting. The over-educated are led to sing unity by their mentors. Rare is the one who thinks.

 

[Hans Blaster]

When did racism become a bad thing?

Eeee.

Are you sure that's a question you want to ask?

 

[apollosdtr]

The diaspora completely erased that issue. Jews throughout the world are most similar genetically to the people among whom they live.

Which only means that proselytizing happened very early on... strangely enough, some Africans think they are ethnically Jewish when they read "The Lost Tribes A Myth: Suggestions Towards Rewriting Hebrew History"... a book which maps this proselytizing.

 

[apollosdtr]

Eeee.

Are you sure that's a question you want to ask?

There's a good amount of controversy about that. They are poised just about intermediate between species and race. I'm inclined to think of the as a race of H. sapiens, but there are authorities who disagree.


Correct. Gentiles were non-Jews. And "Hellene" was a cultural thing. Even among the classical Greeks, Dorians and Ionians were ethnically different. And the term also included Macedonians and Thracians.

Hence all the authors who wrote about The Coming of the Greeks. The first people of Thrace weren't Thracians, either. The Pelasgian Race is missing in most of the history books, apparently. The Greeks took the Pelasgian lands, along with their history and religion... same thing happened to the Hurrians under their Mittani overlords... and the Silurians under the Celts.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The Mittani were a Hurrian group though.

Although when there's so little evidence to back up your claims, you can make anything up.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And the rest of your commentary doesn't make sense. Groups come into existence through history and displace other groups before them, either by force or by intermarriage and the like. That is decidedly an objective historical fact.

None of that supports anything you claim about race.

 

[apollosdtr]

Wrong. The Human Genome Project debunked that notion finally and absolutely.

When scientists unveiled the first draft of the Human Genome Project 25 years ago, it seemed to deliver the final word on some antiquated myths about race. It provided definitive evidence that racial groupings have no biological basis. In fact, there is more genetic variation within racial groups than between them. Race, it showed, is a social construct.

'Biological reality': What genetics has taught us about race

As US President Donald Trump takes aim at the Smithsonian Institution for "anti-American ideology", Adam Rutherford examines what the science of genetics has taught us about race.

www.bbc.com

Are they part of the old "Out of Africa" mentality? Give me half a minute, and I can find a dozen "finally and absolutely" debunkers of the debunked... the net has all things for everyone... until AI/Skynet hits the reset and hopes y'all didn't burn CDs and hard-copies of the science... before the masses.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Are they part of the old "Out of Africa" mentality? Give me half a minute, and I can find a dozen "finally and absolutely" debunkers of the debunked... the net has all things for everyone... until AI/Skynet hits the reset and hopes y'all didn't burn CDs and hard-copies of the science... before the masses.

Are you personally offended by the idea that you share ancestry with someone from Africa?

 

[apollosdtr]

The Mittani were a Hurrian group though.

Although when there's so little evidence to back up your claims, you can make anything up.

"From the deciphering of the Hittite and Hurrian-Mitanni inscriptions we learned that a mighty Indo-Germanic wave poured through ancient Asia Minor and Palestine. In the language called Hittite (Kanesian) the grammatical framework is allied to the Latin, though the vocabulary is largely Mongolian. But no IndoEuropean gods are yet recognized in the Hittite inscriptions. The Hurrian-Mitannian is a non-Indo-European language, with several chief gods that appear much later in the Sanskrit literature."

The Lost Tribes A Myth Suggestions Towards Rewriting Hebrew History : Allen Howard Godbey : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Allen Howard Godbey, minister and educator, was born in Pettis County, Mo., the son of William Clinton and Caroline Smith Godbey. At the age of fourteen he...

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[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"From the deciphering of the Hittite and Hurrian-Mitanni inscriptions we learned that a mighty Indo-Germanic wave poured through ancient Asia Minor and Palestine. In the language called Hittite (Kanesian) the grammatical framework is allied to the Latin, though the vocabulary is largely Mongolian. But no IndoEuropean gods are yet recognized in the Hittite inscriptions. The Hurrian-Mitannian is a non-Indo-European language, with several chief gods that appear much later in the Sanskrit literature."

The Lost Tribes A Myth Suggestions Towards Rewriting Hebrew History : Allen Howard Godbey : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Allen Howard Godbey, minister and educator, was born in Pettis County, Mo., the son of William Clinton and Caroline Smith Godbey. At the age of fourteen he...

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And again... nothing in there backs up what you said, especially in this context: "The Greeks took the Pelasgian lands, along with their history and religion... same thing happened to the Hurrians under their Mittani overlords... and the Silurians under the Celts."

Mitanni was a Hurrian state, a Hurrian kingdom, not a group that replaced the Hurrians. They were Hurrians. Your grasp on history is just horribly, though admit that I expect no less from an American pagan.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There's a good amount of controversy about that. They are poised just about intermediate between species and race. I'm inclined to think of the as a race of H. sapiens, but there are authorities who disagree.

I used to think of Neanderthals as a separate species because I took the "biological species concept" (no interbreeding) to seriously. Today they are considered a closely related species capable of some level of interbreeding. Most of it is because "species" is a rather fuzzy category and (I suspect) it is hard to tell the difference between Neanderthal/Human level genetic difference just on bones and there are other instances of similar amounts of genetic isolation followed by interbreeding in our history for which we don't know what fossils correspond.