ThatRobGuy said:

That would indicate to me that a lot of people were employing the logic that you labelled as stupid, which is selective objection to anti-vaxxerism based on who's doing it, rather than a broader condemnation.

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A lot of anti vaxxers are right wing? Colour me surprised! And in breaking news, a recent poll has found that many people are stupid and MAGA.

keras said:

Here is another question: If we won't know when Jesus will Return, then why does 1 Thess 4:16 and Rev 19:12-16, say that glorious Day will be heralded by Trumpets and shouts from heaven? Plus, He will come exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated.

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We know that once the Antichrist makes the big speech from the temple mount confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle stipulated by Moses - then 7 years later Jesus Returns. So, although we don't know the calendar date right now, we do the (undated) time line of events to take place.

Also, we don't the calendar date that 1Thessalonians4:16 will take place.

1Thessalonians4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

....is referring to resurrection/rapture event.... not Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.

Jesus does not actually stand upon earth for the resurrection/rapture event, as the resurrected/raptured saints will meet Jesus in the air.

What I picture it as happening is that God the Father will send Jesus from the third heaven, bringing with Him from the third heaven the souls of departed saints.

And Jesus, once near the earth, will circle the earth, resurrecting the bodies of them who died in Christ/reuniting them with their departed souls; while also, but slightly behind, changing the living in Christ to be transformed, into everlasting bodies as well - changed in the twinkling of an eye.

And taken to heaven, while the great tribulation will then take place here on earth.




At the end of the great tribulation, Jesus will return with the resurrected/raptured saints in Revelation 19:12-16

Job 33:6 said:

And again:
Genesis 1:1-3 NRSV
[1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Genesis 1:1-3 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

The Bible does not say how long the Earth was formless and void before God began to create it.

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I don’t get your point. When was the earth formless and void?

The Barbarian said:

I'm pointing out that God used the word "erets" (land), and you changed it to "earth." For the obvious reasons. If God had meant "world" or "Earth" He would have used the Hebrew word for "world"... "tevel." You changed it to make it more acceptable to you.

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God in all his wisdom and knowledge would know what word to use.

Ophiolite said:

And the interesting thing is that some of your really bad dudes are probably my really bad dudes too.

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Yeah. Remember great great x 15 uncle Thomas the Elder? A real black sheep...

Nithavela said:

I think we're still a couple hundred rockets shy of the "thousand ways not to make a rocket" end goal.

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I'll remind you of this post in a year, whichever way it turns out.

Wolseley said:

I read about this phenomenon all the time; {snip} ,ugh - we'll get to body of this later....


It's sad.

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Found this on your profile pic-

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Are you an UP-er ?, Northwest Wisconsinite ? North Shore of Minnesota ? Canuck ? ​

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ThatRobGuy said:

That was just one example...

The others I provided involving the pacific northwest and west coast are on par with it...

UCLA is supposed to be one of the standard bearers in doing quality research and providing accurate information.

A) Why do they have any alternative medicine clinics under their umbrella at all?

B) Why are they advertising that magic oils and crystals are suitable for the following?:

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That'd be like the Hayden Planetarium having a "flat earth division" and treating as a "complimentary science"



Let's boil it down to the numbers, how many people has RFK Jr. dissuaded from getting vaccinated? The largest estimates I've seen are that uptake is down about 1-2% from pre-covid.


Meanwhile, on the other quackery fronts...

Practitioner Type	Estimated % of U.S. Adults	Estimated Number of Adults (approx.)
Chiropractors	11%	~28 million
Acupuncturists	10%	~26 million
Naturopathic Physicians	2.2%	~5.7 million

And we have states (including our most populous and arguably most influential state) sanctioning those things.




But I do have an idea for a grand bargain of sorts...

I know one of the main contention points with the current admin is the admin to cut funding to various colleges and states.

Here's an "outside the box" idea.

These entities can disclose the amount of money they're spending propping up these phony industries and clinics, and the cut will be by precisely that amount. The they can choose themselves whether or not to keep quackery institutions funded, or shut down those operations and transfer the money over to backfill the funding in the real medical science departments.

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Im skeptical of Ayurvedic medicine. But to boil it down to oils and crystals shows you arent serious about the discussion.

There's a legit place for people to try longstanding traditional medical practices, in clinics with good supervision, for their own care, especially in our regime where its hard to monetize them and therefore difficult to conduct slates of scientific studies.

Now, If you could show me the head of UCLA Med program emerging from alterna-land and promoting it not simply in the absence of scientific evidence, but against scientific evidence, then we'd have something resembling a comparison to the head of FDA CDC NIH doing the same.

Yeah, the RFK situation is uniquely bad. The national disease control institutions in the hands of someone like that... and youre trying to compare it to well X has a few clinics and Y state chose an oddball to run one little program.....

During the age of grace the requirement for salvation is to be placed into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit on the basis of faith.

Christians are exhorted to abandon living the flesh. However, it is not a requirement for salvation.

I had heard a priest once comment about a friend of his that quit the priesthood in the 1970s so that he could join the gay lifestyle in California. A few years later he saw his friend who was dying og AIDS and said that he was grateful to God who had given him the gift of repentance.

David and Moses were both murderers. God has a great ability to forgive.

ThatRobGuy said:

I don't know that one has to necessarily be "well-travelled" to know that hippies believe some silly stuff about health & nutrition, and that the west coast and pacific northwest are the epicenter of hippie culture (and that politics is downstream of culture)

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Of course not. But that doesn't translate to awareness of the precise events that you find outrageous.

ThatRobGuy said:

But if people aren't aware of stories like the one I mentioned, that points even further to the kind of "selective coverage" fodder that specifically maligns one faction.

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Perhaps - you won't get any real argument from me that media on both sides of the aisle has a tendency to try to push an agenda. But selective coverage by the media does not make the consumers of that media hypocrites, as you seem to be intent on implying.

People are not omniscient. And, generally speaking, they're going to pay more attention to (and speak out about) the people and events that have a more direct effect on their lives - that is to say, things happening locally to them, and nationwide policies and initiatives.

essentialsaltes said:

The phrasing of the statements suggests these reformers have not been able to achieve these reforms. Whether they are right headed or wrong headed, it doesn't have much to do with any real situation, much less the one in the OP.

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I disagree with you. As an example look at the recall of the San Francisco DA in 2022.

Benaiah468 said:

It is obvious that the discussion about Israel's right to exist in the world is becoming increasingly important. Every action taken by the small Jewish island, surrounded by hostile waters, is viewed critically.

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The Church is Israel. The situation has never been binary. The anti-Christian nation of 1948 Israel cannot stand on its own; it is literally propped up by the USA. Once the neocon boomers warhawks die out, U.S. support will die out too—and it can’t happen soon enough!! The next generation of conservatives in the USA don’t care about Israel and have a disdain for AIPAC. The gravy train of sucking billions (trillion if you count the Iraq and Afghanistan wars) out of US taxpayers will come to an end—thank goodness!!

If that happens,then I wont be voting in the next election, as being 84 years old, am not able to stand in lines very long without the need to sit down. Also, in a presidential election, they use the college vote not the populace vote.

Apple Sky said:

Well if that's not evidence I don't know what is.

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Precisely.

Hentenza said:

“But in practice, progressive reformers ... If it is to ever achieve those goals, much less win over the majority of Americans, progressive criminal justice reform needs to embrace the value of just punishment.”

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The phrasing of the statements suggests these reformers have not been able to achieve these reforms. Whether they are right headed or wrong headed, it doesn't have much to do with any real situation, much less the one in the OP.

Strong in Him said:

That's not evidence.

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Well if that's not evidence I don't know what is.

Strong in Him said:

No, just stating facts

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FireDragon76 said:

The Beglic and Westminster Confession explicitly refers to salvation as being covenantal. Individual salvation takes place within a covenantal framework.

Baptists confessions are not part of the Reformed tradition. Baptist religion isn't based on the idea of convenant, but individual voluntarism.

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Particular Baptists like myself are indeed Reformed in our Sotierology

Dan Perez said:

And what word are you speaking about and what verse ??

dan p

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You endlessly list words without drawing any conclusions from them. I don't get it.

“But in practice, progressive reformers have increasingly embraced a “throw away the lock” mentality that sees minimizing punishment as itself a positive good. Here, however, progressive reform has lost its way. Its shift from demanding just punishment to preferring little or no punishment damages justice, fairness, and equity—all values progressive reformers claim to champion.[9] If it is to ever achieve those goals, much less win over the majority of Americans, progressive criminal justice reform needs to embrace the value of just punishment.”