Progressive Covenentalism

[FireDragon76]

All of the Confessions of the Faith, regardless if Reformed or Baptist though refer to Justification as individual salvation, not as a corporate version as Wright supposes it to be

The Beglic and Westminster Confession explicitly refers to salvation as being covenantal. Individual salvation takes place within a covenantal framework.

Baptists confessions are not part of the Reformed tradition. Baptist religion isn't based on the idea of convenant, but individual voluntarism.

 

[YeshuaFan]

The Beglic and Westminster Confession explicitly refers to salvation as being covenantal. Individual salvation takes place within a covenantal framework.

Baptists confessions are not part of the Reformed tradition. Baptist religion isn't based on the idea of convenant, but individual voluntarism.

Particular Baptists like myself are indeed Reformed in our Sotierology

 

[Jan001]

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Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the " true vine" and those who are in Him are the true branches. This is Israel.

The true branches are Christians, the spiritual sons and daughters of Abraham by faith. Romans 4:13
Israel came after Abraham, and so Israel has no special distinction in the New Covenant, except there is still a remnant who will be converted to Christianity before Jesus' second coming. Colossians 3:9-12

 

[keras]

Israel has no special distinction in the New Covenant, except there is still a remnant who will be converted to Christianity before Jesus' second coming

This is not correct. Only those Messianic Jews now; will be saved. The rest will be destroyed. Isaiah 6:11-15, Isaiah 22:14, Amos 2:4-5, +

The idea of a Jewish redemption before Jesus Returns, is a part of the false rapture to heaven theory. Neither is prophesied in the Bible.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

The true branches are Christians, the spiritual sons and daughters of Abraham by faith. Romans 4:13
Israel came after Abraham, and so Israel has no special distinction in the New Covenant, except there is still a remnant who will be converted to Christianity before Jesus' second coming. Colossians 3:9-12

The olive tree as a metaphor for Israel speaks to God's faithfulness to His promises and the unity of all believers—both Jewish and Gentile—in Christ. Gentiles are grafted into the "olive tree" of Israel, which represents God's people. This means that believing Gentiles become part of the spiritual family of Abraham, sharing in the blessings promised to Israel. A "remnant" of Israel, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, remains on the tree , showing that God has not abandoned his people. Paul explains this in Romans 11, emphasizing that God's plan includes both Jews and Gentiles and that the "natural branches" (unbelieving Jews) can be grafted back in. " And thus all Israel will be saved" are his words. This is the Church which supersedes Israel.

 

[Jan001]

This is not correct. Only those Messianic Jews now; will be saved. The rest will be destroyed. Isaiah 6:11-15, Isaiah 22:14, Amos 2:4-5, +

The idea of a Jewish redemption before Jesus Returns, is a part of the false rapture to heaven theory. Neither is prophesied in the Bible.

Until Jesus returns at the end of time, some Jews will still choose to convert to Christianity.

Romans 11:5-6 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Romans 11:24-26 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree.
25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.

 

[Jan001]

The olive tree as a metaphor for Israel speaks to God's faithfulness to His promises and the unity of all believers—both Jewish and Gentile—in Christ. Gentiles are grafted into the "olive tree" of Israel, which represents God's people. This means that believing Gentiles become part of the spiritual family of Abraham, sharing in the blessings promised to Israel. A "remnant" of Israel, those who believe in Jesus as the Messiah, remains on the tree , showing that God has not abandoned his people. Paul explains this in Romans 11, emphasizing that God's plan includes both Jews and Gentiles and that the "natural branches" (unbelieving Jews) can be grafted back in. " And thus all Israel will be saved" are his words. This is the Church which supersedes Israel.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I think the olive tree is comprised of all of God's faithful people. The natural branches are faithful Christian Israelites/Jews, and the wild branches are faithful Christian non-Israelites/Jews.

Hebrews 11:25 choosing rather to share ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.