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Losing friendships and Matt 24:12

It sounds like people in general are getting depressed, discouraged and the fire for the Lord they once had is dying. Maybe you should talk to them or to the Leadership of the church to reach out and see if anyone can help with anything. Sometimes we need others to be encouragement and sometimes people need a reminder that they need others to stay encouraged.

While I'm 39 and not in your age bracket or noticed the exact same thing you have, I've noticed in general that peoples faith within my age bracket is very limited as people in general seem to not be too interested in studying the bible. Also, I just hear complaints about the state of the economy or the world and when you tend to be in that kind of mind set, the thought of get-togethers is just further from your mind. So maybe reach out and see why they've decided to pull back or if you don't have their number, reach out to a leader of the church and see if someone can reach out in general to see how people are doing. That might help.

Either way, I'm sorry to hear this is your experience and I hope something changes for you.
Thanks for the reply and thoughtful response. I did send a text to one of the guys in my potluck yesterday telling him I hope all is okay and he did respond that we need to catch up. I need to not give up on people even though I feel like just not talking to people if they don't want to ask me anything. That's not a good attitude on my part. Only 1 leper went back to thank Jesus for healing him so I need to be a thankful person like that leper was regardless if I have friends or if nobody asks me anything. I do have a younger 20 something year old church member who I meet with once a quarter to mentor and read the Bible with. I just wish someone my own age would want to have a Bible Study with me and pray for me or that someone in church would ask me what they could pray for me about. I tell others I will pray for them on different situations brought up during a conversation with them but they don't return the favor by asking what they could pray for me on. I just don't understand. Maybe spiritual warfare or people just don't care or both.
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The Lost House of Israel

And how can. you explain. what BORN. of. the SPIRIT REALLY MEANS ??

Romans 8:11 (KJV)

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
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Another look at the moon landing.

I've yet to see a genuine image of the earth in it's full glory.
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The closest they can come to showing a rocket going up and into the sky. Is like this type of video where the rocket goes up and eventually begins to fly parallel to the surface of the earth, where it will eventually come back down. After a flight to get out of the view of the public.

But a video will never be seen from a rocket that shows like this CGI does of leaving the earth and going into outer space. Why for one thing there is no such thing as outer space and rockets can only go up 20+ miles before they come back down.
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

I managed to quit as well. As you said it was very difficult. But that puts the lie to your claim it is easy to stop living an unhealthy lifestyle. The simple truth is that having regular access to medical care highly correlates with making better lifestyle and health choices.
? Making things up? I did not write that "it is easy to stop living an unhealthy lifestyle". In fact, in my personal testimony, I acknowledged that it was not.

I know you want to put the "word" lie in a sentence regarding my post, but please you really should try harder.
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

Michelle Obama tried to encourage healthy eating for school children, but the GOP opposed it. The GOP tends to encourage smoking and oppose any and all attempts to encourage healthy lifestyles. It's GOP policy that you oppose here.
Nope. Your first link does not work. As to your MSNBC, link ... that's just not a reliable source for facts. Indeed, it's just an oped pierce. Try again.
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Another look at the moon landing.

Since you can’t even find the right site let me post one for you.


All CGI except for one of the star.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

lol. You just used tech to show how the craftman could achieve the precision in the first place and now you want to object to me saying the tech may have been the whole job lol.

Its making the idea that some back street forger was lathing and then rubbing away for weeks to get the high precision just to fake a vase. Its getting more rediculous. Why would they go to such hassel and time to fake a vase they could just not bother with all the precision to near perfect. Just lathe it and if its in the imprecise range it doesn't matter as no one is checking or worried about it.

Besides how can a craftman hand rub a shape or surface into micron precision when they cannot possible see at that level to know they were spot on with their rubbing. It would surely have to be by naked eye or feel and therefore a guess.
Why? Does measurement of the work as the craftsman proceeds require more skill than you will allow someone who is not a product of anglo-Protestant culture?
He does not know. He has some ideas but they are spectulative. As is all attempts. He mentions something along the lines of stone softening. Something to do with the constitutions of different stones and how they can react to each other. There is evidence for stone softening in other cultures like in Peru for example.

But I don't know its all spectualtion. All we can do is look at the signatures and collect more data until a clear understanding. For example other tests for metals in the stones such as from copper tools have been done and there has been no copper found in tool marks on vases. Which seems strange. But titaniam has been found. How weird is that.
Yes, it's all speculation. But depite that, you know for sure that whatever methods or tools were used they could not achieve the results observed if they relied on the skill of the individual craftsmen.
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Born again morality as opposed to the worlds morality.

That they don`t put one and one together
I think they do. But are looking in the wrong places. I think everyone by nature knows that there is something non material that is where true happiness and peace comes. The classic Beatles sone 'Money can't buy me Love'. Or the saying 'All that glitters is not gold'.

Its a transcedent truth we intuit. But people look for it in different ways. We try every way first and rebel until we realise and surrender that we just cannot do it on our own. Thats the big issue, pride. That people have to bow to God rather than be their own god of their own life.
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law discussions belong in the law/sabbath area, or controvertial.

Hi Randy, I am replying to everybody reading the thread, about the same answer, if there are MORALS IN ANYONE OUTSIDE OF CHRIST..
I think I know where you're coming from. I would say that *all goodness* comes from Christ. However, Christ's goodness has been produced as latent in all people. Therefore, all people can act *through Christ,* consciously or unconsciously, to do good works.

Again, this is different from obtaining Eternal Life, or "Salvation." That is obtained not by doing good works, which I agree is *through Christ," consciously or unconsciously. We obtain Eternal Life only by choosing Christ as our way.

That is, we choose to live by him alone, even though we accomplish this imperfectly. Our choice for him as our God and exclusive Savior means that we forfeit our own attempt at self-righteousness to live only through his righteousness.

This is a partnership in which we live as free human beings, with free access to God's word and guidance. Many things we do are our own, but informed by the nature and character of Christ. Some things God may specifically require of us in certain situations by revelation.

But in all of it, it is our choice to make him Lord of our lives that saves us, because we are not just doing some good, but we are rejecting any goodness outside of him, and as such, condemning human rebellion.
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

'Large cache of homemade destructive devices' | Court documents give insight into arrest of man with Molotov cocktails outside DC cathedral

The Metropolitan Police Department said Louis Geri, 41, had set up a tent on the steps of the Cathedral of St. Matthew's the Apostle on Rhode Island Avenue Northwest and refused to leave Sunday morning.

The officer reportedly told Geri that he needed to move the tent he had erected on the stairs off church grounds. That is when Geri allegedly refused and told the officer, "You might want to stay back and call the federales, I have explosives/bombs."

"Do you want me to throw one out," Geri is quoted as saying in the court documents. "I'll test one out in the street?

The officers then explained to Geri that if he did not leave, he would be removed against his will. To which, he allegedly said, "... several of your people are going to die from one of these."

[Handwritten notebook] allegedly revealed Geri's significant animosity towards the Catholic church, members of the Jewish faith, members of SCOTUS and ICE/ ICE facilities.
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Why Judgment Day?

Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)
Not so fast Marily C. First the Scriptures are silent on infants and the still born that died who never had an opportunity to perform any work. So Thier fate in Scripture is not described. The passage implies that judgement can only be applied only if one performs a work. (Which by the way just means how they lived their life on earth).Otherwise no judgement can be imposed because their book when opened has nothing written in it as to how they lived their life to judge them by
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How much of your income are you willing to have taken for taxpayer funded healthcare.

I quit smoking some time ago. Hardest thing I ever had to do. But I loved my wife and children enough to deny myself this self-destructive habit.
I managed to quit as well. As you said it was very difficult. But that puts the lie to your claim it is easy to stop living an unhealthy lifestyle. The simple truth is that having regular access to medical care highly correlates with making better lifestyle and health choices.
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