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Illegal Immigration

September numbers are basically the same as August.

And recent federal data show that over 70% of detainees who were being held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as of Thursday had no criminal convictions.

As of Sept. 25, according to the data, 59,762 people were in ICE detention. Among them, 17,007 had been convicted of a crime and another 15,009 faced pending criminal charges, while the largest group—comprising 27,746 detainees—had neither a conviction nor pending criminal charges against them.

The data seems to contradict the Administration’s narrative that it has prioritized the “worst” criminals as it has deported tens of thousands of people and detained many others. By the end of last month, the number of deportations it had carried out was nearing 200,000.
It is not limited deportation of the worst. Many, as well have taken advantage of the self deport offer. If they do not take this offer their deportation when they find them will be much more difficult FOR THEM. There is clarity that it is not just limited to the worst.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Met by silence at address, Trump asks for applause​

just like it said on the package.
How excruciating that must of been for them. Talking to them like they were Boy Scouts.
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Charlie Kirk's murder: What the First Amendment doesn't protect

In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, one would expect sympathy for him and his family. Calls for peace. Well wishes for his family. An overall desire for things to get better.

But that is not what happened.

Horrific comments filled the internet. Lies about Kirk. Calls that other people, including his wife, to be killed next. This development only compounds the despair. It tells us that the bloodlust was not isolated. The murder came with the support of a very vocal minority that fostered the online environment that incited Kirk’s killer.

Consider comments like this one by a policeman, which accused Kirk of being “openly racist” and, as a result, “ain’t really winning in the empathy department.” Or this one saying that Kirk “hated the LGBTQ community.” Thismusician said that more political violence will have to happen against conservatives to have “a better world.” Or this one that says “lets make more martyrs.” Stephen King lied about Kirk, saying he had openly advocated for stoning “gays,” which he later admitted was not true.

These employees act surprised when they get fired or suspended from their jobs. This has led these recently terminated people, or media personalities like Don Lemon, wrongly invoking “free speech.” The term is thrown about without any understanding of its limits.

It should be prefaced by saying that all First Amendment cases have to be evaluated on their individual merits. So, any individual example cannot be generalized within an op-ed. But there are general principles that do not seem to be understood.

First, the First Amendment only restricts the government from regulating speech. But this does not limit the consequences of speech, especially if one is privately employed. An employer likely does not wish to employ someone who advocates for violence or knowingly spreads lies.

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Sad that a publication that calls itself Christian, would spread such lies. Most people replied with sympathy for the family but, sadly, there are always a small percentage of people that are idiots.


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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

What were we supposed to observe in that video, them laughing at the President's joke?

Met by silence at address, Trump asks for applause​

just like it said on the package.
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As Trump talks trade with Xi, Trump Halts $400 Million in Taiwan Weapons Aid, Washington Post Reports

Why did the military aid stop flowing?

I need you to do me a favor though.

Taiwan pressured to move 50% of chip production to US or lose protection


The Trump administration is pressuring Taiwan to rapidly move 50 percent of its chip production into the US if it wants ensured protection against a threatened Chinese invasion, US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick told NewsNation this weekend.
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However, he also claimed that if the US acquired a 50 percent market share, it would ensure that the US has "the semiconductors we need for American consumption," emphasizing that the move is intended to decrease reliance on Taiwan.

Well, if we become independent of Taiwan, why protect it at all? I'm sure Taiwan must be thinking the same thing.
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About differences/people we meet/neurodivergence

This is also why toxic or people with negative agendas hide in churches because it makes them look good, the whole churchy stuff. They seem righteous
Narcissists are said to try to piggy-back on the reputation and status and value of other people and of things.
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We Are Not The Same

If you want to believe that "right-wing infiltrators" were a good chunk of the months of riots in the summer of 2020, go for it.

Many of us believe left wing infiltrators were a good chunk of one day, J6.
A main difference is the J6 protestors, mainly Left leaning, did so in one area in DC...while the rioters in 2020, mostly Left leaning, did so for months nation wide.
All of that was debunked. I don't know anything about right wing infiltration that was proven, though.
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About differences/people we meet/neurodivergence

There is a big difference in being genuinely a kind person and superficially. A person who "seems to be" can have problems with giving of themselves and truly showing emotional empathy with others, service etc. Sure they can put on an act. But for how long.
I have been one to think I am a caring and competent person for helping people medically. However, my mother would make fun of me, maybe, by not doing what she had been advised to do. And when I got upset, she muttered how I did not have so much emotional self control as I had thought. And my lady friend and I had a neighbor whom I helped; but he would create chaos out of whatever I did to help him, and even turn things into being dangerous and harmful for him. I could walk in circles for hours in the middle of the night, muttering and sputtering about that . . . not exactly bering compassionate and patient . . . and creative. But with prayer I got what I think God had for me to do; it worked, anyway :)

And then my lady friend became more dependent. And she could wiggle out of things I was trying to do for her or get her to do, and I could get bent out of shape and get started in arguing with her; but then I knew I was wrong and in trouble and needed to pray and submit it to God.

So, I had "seemed" to myself to be so proficient and patient; however . . . things could still get to me.

So we can fool our own selves and not even know it :)

I have found that a close relationship can be the best test. See if we can stay out of arguing and complaining and criticizing and blaming. Can we still love someone, after we find out the real truth about him or her ? ? ?
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Texas man sues girlfriend's husband, mother and Calif. doctor after she took abortion pills to end 2 pregnancies

Woman is pregnant with man's third baby; he fears she'll order more abortion pills across state lines
A pro-abortion rights activist holds a box of mifepristone during a rally in front of the US Supreme Court on March 26, 2024, in Washington, DC.
A pro-abortion rights activist holds a box of mifepristone during a rally in front of the US Supreme Court on March 26, 2024, in Washington

A Texas father is suing a California doctor for “wrongful death” after he illegally mailed abortion pills that were used by his married lover to end two of their pregnancies, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court. The Galveston man is also suing the woman's husband, from whom she is separated, and her mother for helping to procure the abortion pills.

Now pregnant with his third child, the father, Jerry Rodriguez, fears she might try to terminate this pregnancy too. Though Texas laws ban abortion in all instances except when a mother is facing a medical emergency, women who have abortions cannot be sued or prosecuted. However, abortionists and those who help women obtain abortions are not protected from being sued or facing prosecution.

In his lawsuit, Rodriguez claims Dr. Remy Coeytaux illegally mailed the abortion pills across state lines in September 2024. The suit also alleges that Coeytaux violated the Comstock Act, an 18th century anti-obscenity law that bans mailing contraceptives and items used to carry out an abortion.

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I think I saw a similar case on Jerry Springer
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

It's not obvious to anyone but you.
Sorry: Typo,- I meant John 16:16 In a little while, you will see Me no more, again: a little while, then you will see Me.
This Prophecy is understood by many, with the benefit of hindsight; to refer to the Church age.
the church age lasts forever.
The Church age finishes when the Anti-Christ desecrates the Temple and takes world control for 3 1/2 years. After that, Jesus will Return and commence the Kingdom of Jesus age of a thousand years. Then Eternity comes, Gods Kingdom, to last forever. Revelation 21:1-5
It clearly does happen just prior to Christ's return, and it's just as clear second temple was still standing there.
The second Temple was destroyed in 70AD.
Jesus will Return into a new Temple, one of greater splendour than Soloman's or Herod's Temple. Haggai 2:9
Why would they need to know and not us?
We have been told plenty about the 'beast' and his mark; Revelation 13, +
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WHAT IS THE MEANING GENESIS MEANS ??

And Isa. 14:14 says. !!

# 1 I WILL. ASCEND. //. AIA , in. the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the Signular

# 2 ABOVE // AL. , is a PREPOSTION

# 3. THE HEIGHTS //. BABA. , in. the Plural

# 4 OF THE CLOUDS // AB. , in. the SINGULAR , in. the SINGULAR in. the ABSOLUTE

# 5. I WILL BE LIKE // AB. , in the SINGULAR

# 6 THE MOST HIGH // EIYON , in. the SINGULAR ABSOLUTE.

Now it seems to. me that LUCIFER. was ON EARTH. below the clouds

what do. you think now. ??

dan p
And read Job 1:7 and you what Satan was going TO. and FRO on the EARTH !

dan p
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Illegal Immigration

According to information that can be found on the ICE website, it confirms what TRAC reported. 70.4% of detainees have no criminal convictions. If you include immigrants with pending charges, 54.6% currently detained have criminal charges pending or have been convicted of a crime.
September numbers are basically the same as August.

And recent federal data show that over 70% of detainees who were being held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as of Thursday had no criminal convictions.

As of Sept. 25, according to the data, 59,762 people were in ICE detention. Among them, 17,007 had been convicted of a crime and another 15,009 faced pending criminal charges, while the largest group—comprising 27,746 detainees—had neither a conviction nor pending criminal charges against them.

The data seems to contradict the Administration’s narrative that it has prioritized the “worst” criminals as it has deported tens of thousands of people and detained many others. By the end of last month, the number of deportations it had carried out was nearing 200,000.
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The will of the father in Matthew 7:21-23.

In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so there is no need to jump to another book in order to figure out that it is the will of the Father for us to be workers of lawfulness and it is dishonest to act like John 6:39-40 means that it is not the will of the Father for us to be workers of lawfulness, especially because God's law is His instructions for how to believe in the Son.
We embody what we believe about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith through is works. In other words, the way to believe in God is by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are embodying God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by embodying His likeness through being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law.
This is also why the Bible repeatedly connects our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as with Revelation 14:12 where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. Moreover, the reason why there are many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in the Son and many verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by obeying God's commandments is because obedience to God's commandments is the way to believe in the Son.
No. . .obedience to God's commandments is the result of believing in the Son, not the way or cause of believing in the Son.
No obedience means no faith.

The cause of believing in the Son is no more and no less than rebirth by the sovereign choice (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5).
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AND HOW CHRIST FORMED THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

Why would that be? Jews and proselytes are not gentiles.
AND the word PROSELYTES. does show in. Acts 2:10 and am at work and do. not. have my VINES GREEK DICTIONARY

with. me and just google it , BUT they. are considered. to be GENTILES and. embraced Judaism and put. themselves under

the LAW and had to be Circumsised, EXODUS 12:48. is. the best that I can. do for now !!

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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Old wisdom: Rules of engagement ensure that force is used legally and ethically.
New wisdom; Rules of engagement tie the hands of soldiers from using force illegally and unethically.

"We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement," Hegseth said, adding that the military will "kill people and break things for a living."
This guy is such a dork
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Met by silence at address, Trump asks for applause

The military follows strict customs and courtesies, which includes showing deference and respect to the commander in chief and refraining from showing approval or disapproval of political statements.


I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy! I didn't get a harrumph out of any of these guys!

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We Are Not The Same

If you want to believe that "right-wing infiltrators" were a good chunk of the months of riots in the summer of 2020, go for it.

Many of us believe left wing infiltrators were a good chunk of one day, J6.
A main difference is the J6 protestors, mainly Left leaning, did so in one area in DC...while the rioters in 2020, mostly Left leaning, did so for months nation wide.

And only on one day, to point out.

I do believe if your upset enough at the government to carry a sign, you should take it to the steps of government itself and wave it there.

How is sign waving at the neighbors helpful anyway? They can't do anything, and aren't who the grievance is with and aren't in government.

If you want them to support a cause that you think is important it's education that you should seek to provide, burning down someone's business or looting it is not helpful to anyone's cause, and waving signs in front of people, screaming at people or blocking traffic so they can't get to work and feed their kids isn't winning friends and influencing people.

I don't really get the whole sign waving thing so much. I always kind of thought that's why we vote and write our representatives, it's not because we just like form letters. Maybe I'm just weird.
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China Bought $12.6 Billion in U.S. Soybeans Last Year. Now, It’s $0.

So, would this make Bernie Sanders conservative?
Conservatism, as traditionally understood, no longer presence in American politics today. Conservatism ended the day Mitt Romney's lost the election.
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Old wisdom: Rules of engagement ensure that force is used legally and ethically.
New wisdom; Rules of engagement tie the hands of soldiers from using force illegally and unethically.

"We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement," Hegseth said, adding that the military will "kill people and break things for a living."

Sure, let's go back to the caves....
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Selfishness

I think many Christians display these things, avarice, greed, etc. But it is part of our fallen state. It’s not an excuse but it seems the way it is.
well it is not an excuse to not try do something about it however. Fight against. with what ever needed. Purify themselves. take their cross on them. strive for virtue. some do get set free with deliverance. after years of struggling. about open doors,and allowing. It is a difference between having a sin nature and a I can`t do anything about it but I am forgiven so lets just ignore it.
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China Bought $12.6 Billion in U.S. Soybeans Last Year. Now, It’s $0.

The rise of President Trump marked a shift in conservative politics, with his stance against free trade and globalism aligning closely with positions held by Senator Bernie Sanders and American labor unions
So, would this make Bernie Sanders conservative?
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War Secretary Hegseth orders rare, urgent meeting of hundreds of generals, admirals Sep 30 in Virginia

Old wisdom: Rules of engagement ensure that force is used legally and ethically.
New wisdom; Rules of engagement tie the hands of soldiers from using force illegally and unethically.

"We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy. We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement," Hegseth said, adding that the military will "kill people and break things for a living."
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