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Ye olde anti-vaxxers ...

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by A_Thinker, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. RestoreTheJoy

    RestoreTheJoy Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I must be older than you and/or my siblings were a decade older.

    EVERYONE got the measles (mumps, whatever was going around) or their sibs did, if they didn't particularly have a bad case or even notice. Everyone is immune from these childhood diseases from those days. Even the government admits that, in saying you are presumed immune if born before a certain year (though that really does extend later as younger siblings, if present, were also exposed).

    The assertion that later measles (or other )outbreaks happened only in the unvaccinated or is because of "those people" (the current rhetoric as well) is entirely false.

    Ohio State (234): And here's what's surprising: Many of those who got sick had previously been immunized against mumps via one of the top weapons against childhood diseases: the MMR vaccine.

    Measles in a fully vaccinated secondary school: Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles. In addition, three seronegative students seroconverted without experiencing any symptoms. We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
    Measles outbreak in a fully immunized secondary-school population - PubMed

    Mumps (less contagious than measles) in a wedding - most cases vaccinated: On June 5, 2020, the U.S Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published the details of a recent multistate outbreak of mumps in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR). The outbreak involved 62 cases linked to a single asymptomatic wedding attendee. Even though mumps is a vaccine-preventable disease, 41 of the individuals infected in the reported incident had been fully vaccinated according to the current guidelines.

    A Mumps Outbreak among Fully Vaccinated People

    Whooping cough too - all victims vaccinated:
    Nearly 50 students at Harvard-Westlake School have been recently diagnosed with whooping cough, in an outbreak that has forced school officials to send students home at the first sign of illness.

    But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.

    Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
     
  2. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster E pluribus unum

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    You'll notice in earlier posts that others noted that a better vaccine became available in 1968. (The period of my childhood experience was given in my post and in the part you quoted.)
     
  3. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    And many people die in car accidents despite wearing seatbelts.
    Compare that to those that die in car accidents that were not wearing seatbelts.
    I find the pointing out of the cases in which vaccinated people were infected by the disease to be little more than a distraction.
     
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  4. chad kincham

    chad kincham Well-Known Member

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    Once upon a time, in 2002, there was the SARS-CoV-1 virus, for which they developed a vaccine.
    Animals given the vaccine developed a robust antibody response, which is what they wanted.
    But when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they all died from the pathogenic priming effect, so they discarded the vaccine.
    Fast forward to 2019 and the SARS-CoV-2 virus, in which vaccines were developed in a rush and released as experimental vaccines - and guess what essential step was skipped? Animal trials.

    A Nobel prize winning virologist predicts mass deaths within 2 years among those vaxxed.

    The UK recently released a report showing that most COVID deaths are among the vaccinated.

    One of many reports on UK COVID deaths:

    UK hospital data shocks the world: 80% of COVID deaths are among the vaccinated… COVID deaths up 3,000% after vaccine wave
     
  5. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    You maybe have a better source than wordpress (where anyone can make an anonymous blog for free?)

    I see they cite Natural News, but that's always been a quack website that ignores the facts. Actual studies show that severe symptoms and deaths are significantly less among the vaccinated.
     
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  6. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Regular Member

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    That does not look like a very reliable source. Did you vet it, or were you just looking for someone that agreed with you?

    EDIT: It looks like various sites, like yours, cooked the books. They were being dishonest to you:

    Fact Check-Vaccinated people in Britain are not dying at a higher rate than the unvaccinated
     
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  7. chad kincham

    chad kincham Well-Known Member

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    Fact checking stopped being anything other than propaganda, years ago.

    There’s all kinds of sources in many countries reporting this, including this medical website that admits the stats, then spins them:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-deaths-uk-vaccinated.html
     
  8. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    That's absurd. There are in fact, um, facts. They can be checked.

    Please don't dive off into the chasm of perpetual ignorance where nothing can be known. Things can be known.
     
  9. Subduction Zone

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  10. MMXX

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    That reminds me, I should go get my booster tomorrow.
     
  11. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster E pluribus unum

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    I am. I'll report back afterward if I die.
     
  12. MMXX

    MMXX Brian

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    Wait, hold the phone, since when do you guys believe in life after death? :eek: :D
     
  13. IWalkAlone

    IWalkAlone Well-Known Member

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    I'm pro gun and im fully vaccinated. But I'm still worried about the vaccine. Who knows what the long term effects are.
     
  14. IWalkAlone

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    Kenneth Copeland is word of faith but they helped spread a measles outbreak.
     
  15. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster E pluribus unum

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    Atheist only means "doesn't believe in god(s)". Plenty of atheist believe all sorts of other unproven supernatural things like souls, spirits, an afterlife, etc. (Not me though, but I have confidence that when the third shot kills me, I have no problem posting. :) )
     
  16. Hans Blaster

    Hans Blaster E pluribus unum

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    So that's what he needs those private planes for...
     
  17. IWalkAlone

    IWalkAlone Well-Known Member

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    If covid or the vaccine doesn't get me cancer may or some other disease. Or an accident. James said if anyone is sick have the elders pray over them. But he also said your life is like a vapor, here today and gone tomorrow, and you don't know what tomorrow will bring.
     
  18. IWalkAlone

    IWalkAlone Well-Known Member

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    He's t he kind of preacher that the bible warns us about. I hate saying that because I hope for his spiritual prosperity, but it's true. The man doesn't need all those jets to get his message out, he has books, dvd, tv and internet. He has 50 million dollars. I would feel bad having that kind of wealth knowing people are starving everywhere. I just saw a story about women in India who sell a kidney just to put food on the table. Meanwhile Copeland has a huge estate, mansion, private jets and airport. What kind of man of God would be so foolish?
     
  19. MMXX

    MMXX Brian

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    In that case, you go first.
     
  20. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    So far I have yet to see anyone suggest a plausible mechanism for the vaccine causing any negative long-term effects, when "long-term" is defined as over a year later.
     
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