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Would You Help To Rebuild The Jewish Temple?

Would You Help Support The Rebuilding Of The Jewish Temple?

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parousia70

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By His Grace said:
Please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say, or add on to what I said, and didn't say. I do not believe that every Jew that has not accepted Christ is totally lost. The Jews before Christ came, and who worshipped God were saved...Like Abraham.


False, sort of....
No man has ever or could ever achieve atonement for sin WITHOUT the righteousness of Christ imputed upon them.

All "Saved" jews before Christ came were saved based on their faith in the messiah. None are saved apart from faith in Christ messiah.

Are you serious here??? Haven't you ever done a geneology of your family, or your family never told you what nationality you are descended from?


Yes, I was able to trace it back to the 1400's in Germany. no farther. Records simply don't exist.

I come from the linage of Jonah. My people took on the name Jonas instead, for whatever reasons way back when.

Prove it.
Which one of Jonah's Kids did "your people" descend from?

If you could see my father, sister, and myself, you would see the Jewishness in us.

Well, if only I had a photograph of a Jew from 2500 years ago to compare your looks to!

Just because you might look like a Russian Khazar, dosen't make you a Hebrew.

As far as being 1/4 Jew, who knows if that counts as being a Jew in Gods eyes.

Here's the reality:
The vast majority of so-called Jews in the world today are the Ashkenazim Jews, while the remainder of them are the Sephardim Jews. The Ashkenazim Jews have as their background not the nation of Israel but a country called Khazaria, which country at one time was the largest country in Europe. The settlers of Khazaria were Turks and Huns. In A.D. 740 King Bulan of Khazaria decided to adopt the Judaistic religion for his country. A number of Jews were already living there. So he converted to Judaism, along with all his officials, and whole nation ended up being known as a nation of Jews. In 970 Russia came in and dominated the situation, and the Khazars were scattered, many of them going down into Poland and Lithuania. Where at the dawn of our modern civilization the largest concentration of Jews were found. Today, the largest percentage of so-called Jews in the world have as their background this group of people.



Encyclopedia Americana (1986)
"Racial and Ethnic Considerations. Some theorists have considered the Jews a distinct race, although this has no factual basis. In every country in which the Jews lived for a considerable time, their physical traits came to approximate those of the indigenous people. Hence the Jews belong to several distinct racial types, ranging, for example, from fair to dark. Among the reasons for this phenomenon are voluntary or involuntary miscegenation and the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism" (Encyclopedia Americana, 1986, vol. 16, p. 71).



Collier's Encyclopedia (1977)
"A common error and persistent modern myth is the designation of the Jews as a 'race! This is scientifically fallacious, from the standpoint of both physical and historical tradition. Investigations by anthropologists have shown that Jews are by no means uniform in physical character and that they nearly always reflect the physical and mental characteristics of the people among whom they live" (Collier's Encyclopedia, 1977, vol. 13, p. 573).

Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia (1970)
"In 1970 the Israeli Knesset adopted legislation defining a Jew as one born of a Jewish mother or a convert." (vol. 14, p. 214)



The Encyclopedia Brittanica (1973)
"The Jews As A Race: The findings of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. Anthropornetric measurements of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics." (vol. 12, page 1054)

Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem (1971)
"It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities. . . ."

"Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all - a not uncommon phenomenon" (Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).

Today, being a Jew simply means that one is of the Judaistic religion or a convert to it, or else in a "brotherhood" of those who are. Therefore, being a Jew has nothing to do with race.

Sorry, I can tell by your questioning on this that you are wanting to get into a heated debate about this subject [antichrist]. I'm not going there. Been there, done that before. I'll stick with my views, and you can have yours :rolleyes: .
I don't blame you one bit!
If I held to such an indefensible, unscriptural tradition as this, I sure wouldn't want to engage anyone in debate about it.

I know It's far easier to sweep it under the rug and hope nobody calls you to account for it, then to actually publicly test your view against scripture.

If you change your mind, however, I'll be here.
 
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By His Grace said:
That's not possible, because the bible doesn't lie. It says that he will sit in the temple and proclaim that he is god, 2nd Thess. 2: 2-4 ~ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

LOL, I don't think that anyone can force someone to become the antichrist. This one is hand picked by God himself, so prophecy can unfold. This person is full of the devil, 2nd Thess. 2:9 ~ Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders. Any ordinary person won't be able to be the AC, and pocess signs and lying wonders.
The Jews will think that they are building it for their messiah. I believe that this temple is just going to serve the purpose of the antichrist doing his thing. It will be unholy for sure, as we are the temple of the Lord.

I'd point out that none of this has anything to do with the "antichrist" of the Bible, but aparantly tradition trumps scripture for you on this topic.
Oh Well.
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parousia70 said:
I'd point out that none of this has anything to do with the "antichrist" of the Bible, but aparantly tradition trumps scripture for you on this topic.
Oh Well.
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Well, all I can say to that is, evidently "blindness" to the Word trumps you. Recall the scripture about the blind leading the blind, and they all fall into the ditch? Happy digging :rolleyes: .
 
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Prove it.
Which one of Jonah's Kids did "your people" descend from?
Older sister of Saved by Grace, You ask a hard thing to prove. Since Hitler took all our relatives papers and threw them in the burn heap, along with some of our relatives I'm sure. All alot of us have is our heritage is our grandparents telling us. We we're told Palistine.
 
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By His Grace said:
Well, all I can say to that is, evidently "blindness" to the Word trumps you. Recall the scripture about the blind leading the blind, and they all fall into the ditch? Happy digging :rolleyes: .
If I'm so "blind" to this "truth", it ought to be incredibly easy for you to prove your supposed antichrist/man of sin/beast connection from scripture.

I'm sure many of our readers find it as odd as I that, through all your posturing, you can't come up with even one reference.

Scripture please, otherwise admit that your only "proof" is human tradition.
 
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By His Grace said:
I would like to get peoples opinions on how they feel about supporting the rebuilding of the Jewish temple? It states in 2nd Thess. 2:4... Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This is talking about the antichrist.
Some of the Jews are feverishly soliciting donations for the rebuilding of the temple. This is the site, and it talks about this down toward the bottom of the page.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/about.html
I personally have mixed feelings about this, because I do not want to support anything that the antichrist is going to sit in and say he is god, that is the abomination of desolation. This is an interesting site, and it tells about everything that they have already to start the sacrifices again after the temple is rebuilt. They just completed the robe of the high priest. They even have the red hiefer for the sarifices. Everything is in place, and they are ready to rebuild the temple. I watched Benny Hinn who was in Israel last week, and he is all for the support of this, and very excited.

Ah Ha! There it is. Can we please stay on topic? Start a new thread on genealogies.
 
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Just The Facts said:
Hi by His Grace

Why was it Rude.

How many people on this site say on a regular basis that the Catholic Church is the harlot of Revelation 17:

Because I say the Baptists are one of her many Harlot daughters I am rude.

Now if what I said was not true then it would be a lie and need looking at but it is the truth so I ask you how can stating the truth be rude.

If Baptists say the Catholic Church is the harlot and teaches False Doctrines it is ok for them but I am rude to suggest the Baptists do the same.

Please why would you say such a thing?


Now as for the debate about the Jews there is no other salvation than through Jesus end of story.

The Olive Tree is all there is you are either grafted in or you are not a part.

The jews do not start a new Olive Tree they get Grafted BACK IN to the Olive Tree.

That Olive Tree is True Christianity.

Rom:11:24: For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

You see they get grafted back into Christianity not start a new tree or something.

The Only Rebirth for a Jew is to be reborn a Christian just like the rest of Mankind.

All this False teaching the modern Israel is Ezekiel 37 Fulfilled is nonsense a bunch of False Teachings.

Here is what Ezekiel 37 says.

12: Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves,[/color=red] and bring you into the land of Israel. 13: And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,[/color=red]

Gee do you think God wants to make it clear it is out of their graves that he brings them back to the Land of Israel.

You know the First resurrection.

That is Jesus bringing people out of their Graves not us Putting people in Their Graves

Can you see the difference

It always amazes me how for each false teaching there is the verses to show it is wrong.

Just like the verse that says call no man on Earth Father it was not meant for your dad it was meant as a warning against false teachers.

Just as the verse is their to disprove that doctrine of Men so is the verse there in Ezkiel to disprove all who would say modern Israel is the work of God.

All this Murder Hatred and Death is not of God it is Of Satan he was a murder from the beginning. It is Satan who wants another Temple it is Satan who wants mankind to start Animal sacrifice to build the Temple to show himself to be God..

I mean how insulting could it Get .

No Jesus your death meant Nothing Go away while we slaughter this goat on the alter in a temple and burn the blood.

Your death was useless Jesus just go away and leave us alone we do not want to be the Temple for God's Spirit we want a Earthly building we want animal sacrifice.

PLEASE PEOPLE CAN YOU NOT SEE THE HORRIBLE TRUTH HIDDEN BEHIND THIS LIE.
Why was it Rude.

How many people on this site say on a regular basis that the Catholic Church is the harlot of Revelation 17:
Because most of us Christians know that the Catholic religion teaches other things, and has added extra curricular activities in their worship besides what the bible teaches....right? Also, the Baptists are Christians. I was saved in a Baptist church 45 years ago, and I thank God that He had me hear the gospel there. I'm not one now for my own reasons. We can disagree on some of the things that they teach, but not hurt any Baptists that might be viewing this thread.
 
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Hi

So it is ok to hurt the Catholics cause in your opinion they teach extra stuff.

that is so hypocritical. you must not have meant that in that way??????????

And What the Catholics have never brought anyone to Christ.

The Baptist do, and teach, MANY MANY MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE.

It would be like Two women on the way to the Throne of God one turns to the other as Says .

you sinned 25 Times I only sinned 18 Times.

What is the Father to say to two such wanton woman.
 
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I don't think we are condemning Catholics here unless they come and spread their falsehoods amongst us. Then we might on a case by case basis. My feelings aren't that Catholics are bad or the harlot, but that the system they support is. The papal system is the beast and it's antiChristian teachings have permeated into protestantism as well. there are surely many Catholics out there who are more godly than I, in there patient kind and loving nature and simply don't know any better than to be where they are. Taught doctrine is a hard thing to overcome and I wish I had much more patience when dealing with my Catholic brethren about their positions.

I think we all have the responsibility of seeking out Christ' truths for ourselves regardless of how we were raised and this lack of search on their part probably scares me more for their salvation than any unGodly behavior they might have due to bad doctrine.
 
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Just The Facts said:
Hi

So it is ok to hurt the Catholics cause in your opinion they teach extra stuff.

that is so hypocritical. you must not have meant that in that way??????????

And What the Catholics have never brought anyone to Christ.

The Baptist do, and teach, MANY MANY MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE.

It would be like Two women on the way to the Throne of God one turns to the other as Says .

you sinned 25 Times I only sinned 18 Times.

What is the Father to say to two such wanton woman.

I don't have a clue, I'm not God. Drop it, because you didn't get the point anyway.
 
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Hi

His Grace I got your point I just think it is hypocritical

it is you who DO NOT GET IT.

Hi Adam

Your comment suggest that Baptists do not teach or do anything against his Words.

The List is soooooo long it would take days to discuss all the things the Baptist do against the Word of God.

You say The Catholic Church is the harlot

AND I AGREE

But the Baptist are one of the MANY HARLOT DAUGHTERS. Open your eyes to the Truth.
 
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My post suggests no such thing, about the Baptists or any other denom for that matter.
I never mentioned Baptist's at all....but I did say this ...

"The papal system is the beast and it's antiChristian teachings have permeated into protestantism as well."
 
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By His Grace said:
I would like to get peoples opinions on how they feel about supporting the rebuilding of the Jewish temple?

What are the jews/zionist Christians to do about the Dome of the Rock? and 1 billion muslims? I don't think a jewish temple will ever be rebuilt there, and I can't see the world allowing jews to sacrifice animals even if they did build a temple, what with peta and other animal rights activists. I wouldn't support such a thing.

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Warning. This poll is about rebuilding the Jewish temple. Not for discussing the pros and cons of Baptists, Catholics, etc. If this continues, I will ask the Moderator to close this topic....Thanks, By His Grace
 
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Warning. This poll is about rebuilding the Jewish temple. Not for discussing the pros and cons of Baptists, Catholics, etc. If this continues, I will ask the Moderator to close this topic....Thanks, By His Grace

By His Grace,

Regarding the Jewish temple, who was given the responsibility of building the temple specified

in 2 Thess 2:4?

2 Thess 2:4 mentions a temple in which the man of sin would place himself .

Who was given the responsibility of building that temple when the prophecy was given?

The Bible must provide that information.. yes?

Could we name who specifically [A PERSON] was given the responsibility for rebuilding the temple specified in 2 Thess 2:4 from the Bible?
 
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