Would You Help To Rebuild The Jewish Temple?

[1John5:3]

I haven't read the thread, but want to add a thought.
The temple of the NEW COVENANT is in heaven. Any built or rebuilt "temple" has nothing to do with the New Testament/prophecy.



Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 3 In context: Revelation 3:11-13)


Revelation 7:15
Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 7 In context: Revelation 7:14-16)


Revelation 11:19
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 11 In context: Revelation 11:18-20)


Revelation 14:15
Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 14 In context: Revelation 14:14-16)


Revelation 14:17
Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 14 In context: Revelation 14:16-18)


Revelation 15:5
After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:4-6)


Revelation 15:6
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:5-7)


Revelation 15:8
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:7-9)


Revelation 16:1
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 16 In context: Revelation 16:1-2)


Revelation 16:17
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 16 In context: Revelation 16:16-18)

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I haven't read the thread, but want to add a thought.
The temple of the NEW COVENANT is in heaven. Any built or rebuilt "temple" has nothing to do with the New Testament/prophecy.



Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 3 In context: Revelation 3:11-13)


Revelation 7:15
Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 7 In context: Revelation 7:14-16)


Revelation 11:19
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 11 In context: Revelation 11:18-20)


Revelation 14:15
Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 14 In context: Revelation 14:14-16)


Revelation 14:17
Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 14 In context: Revelation 14:16-18)


Revelation 15:5
After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:4-6)


Revelation 15:6
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:5-7)


Revelation 15:8
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 15 In context: Revelation 15:7-9)


Revelation 16:1
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 16 In context: Revelation 16:1-2)


Revelation 16:17
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 16 In context: Revelation 16:16-18)

I haven't read the thread, but want to add a thought.
The temple of the NEW COVENANT is in heaven. Any built or rebuilt "temple" has nothing to do with the New Testament/prophecy.

Thanks 1John 5:3 for your comment. Yes, we feel the same way about this temple rebuilding, since you had not read the initial posts. It's going to be rebuilt, but we are not supporting it financially. God Bless.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

Who cares what The Jews think they are totally lost.

God did away with animal Sacrifice 2000 years ago he nailed it to the cross.

So how can the AC take away animal Sacrifice from God when God did away with it himself.

15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Rom:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Heb:13:16: But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Matthew 12: 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.

1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Rev 8:4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

The only acceptable sacrifice to God is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. That is what the AC will take away the prayers and deeds of the Great tribulation Saints.

You give animal sacrifice credence in Gods eyes by suggesting the AC can take it away from God. Animal Sacrifice could never take away sins.

GOD DOES NOT WANT IT SO HOW CAN THE AC TAKE IT AWAY. That is impossible.

What you are saying makes no sense animal sacrifice is an affront to Jesus and thereby God. So if it is started then stopped it is just more false worship in God's eyes how can you take False Worship away from God.

No Jesus has explained this as I have shown and it all makes sense the explanations of men all fall short.

 

[Linda8]

The only acceptable sacrifice to God is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. That is what the AC will take away the prayers and deeds of the Great tribulation Saints.

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Where are the Great Tribulation saints right now?

Are they offering their so called sacrifices?

Since when did God restrict worship only from so called tribulation saints?

Are the rest of the Christians on earth not supposed to worship God and offer their prayers and deeds as sacrifice to God?

Your point seems man made doctrine by alienating some sub set from the body of Christ on earth.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Hi

Who cares what The Jews think they are totally lost.

God did away with animal Sacrifice 2000 years ago he nailed it to the cross.

So how can the AC take away animal Sacrifice from God when God did away with it himself.

15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Rom:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Heb:13:16: But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Matthew 12: 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.

1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Rev 8:4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

The only acceptable sacrifice to God is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. That is what the AC will take away the prayers and deeds of the Great tribulation Saints.

You give animal sacrifice credence in Gods eyes by suggesting the AC can take it away from God. Animal Sacrifice could never take away sins.

GOD DOES NOT WANT IT SO HOW CAN THE AC TAKE IT AWAY. That is impossible.

What you are saying makes no sense animal sacrifice is an affront to Jesus and thereby God. So if it is started then stopped it is just more false worship in God's eyes how can you take False Worship away from God.

No Jesus has explained this as I have shown and it all makes sense the explanations of men all fall short.

Who cares what The Jews think they are totally lost.

Ah, no that is a wrong statement. They are blinded right now to the truth, not totally lost. God is going to turn to them again to be saved.

 

[Palatka44]

AMEN BHG, They will come again unto Him.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

I received this from a friend and it gives us some poignant information regarding the interpretation of the word "he" in Dan 9:27:

Here are some interesting excerpts from Josephus -


Josephus - Wars Book 5 -Chap.1 - para. 1 - THE SEDITIONS AT JERUSALEM AND WHAT TERRIBLE MISERIES AFFLICTED THE CITY BY THEIR MEANS;

• Now as to the attack the zealots made upon the people, and which I esteem the beginning of the city's destruction, it hath been already explained after an accurate manner; as also whence it arose, and to how great a mischief it was increased. But for the present sedition, one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition, and to be like a wild beast grown mad, which, for want of food from abroad, fell now upon eating its own flesh.
  para. 3 - . . . slew moreover many of the priests, as they were about their sacred ministrations. For notwithstanding these men were mad with all sorts of impiety, yet did they still admit those that desired to offer their sacrifices, although they took care to search the people of their own country beforehand, and both suspected and watched them; while they were not so much afraid of strangers, who, although they had gotten leave of them, how cruel soever they were, to come into that court, were yet often destroyed by this sedition; for those darts that were thrown by the engines came with that force, that they went over all the buildings, and reached as far as the altar, and the temple itself, and fell upon the priests, and those that were about the sacred offices; insomuch that many persons who came thither with great zeal from the ends of the earth, to offer sacrifices at this celebrated place, which was esteemed holy by all mankind, fell down before their own sacrifices themselves, and sprinkled that altar which was venerable among all men, both Greeks and Barbarians, with their own blood; till the dead bodies of strangers were mingled together with those of their own country, and those of profane persons with those of the priests, and the blood of all sorts of dead carcasses stood in lakes in the holy courts themselves. And now, "O must wretched city, what misery so great as this didst thou suffer from the Romans, when they came to purify thee from thy intestine hatred! 'For thou couldst be no longer a place fit for God, nor couldst thou long continue in being, after thou hadst been a sepulcher for the bodies of thy own people, and hadst made the holy house itself a burying-place in this civil war of thine. Yet mayst thou again grow better, if perchance thou wilt hereafter appease the anger of that God who is the author of thy destruction." But I must restrain myself from these passions by the rules of history, since this is not a proper time for domestical lamentations, but for historical narrations; I therefore return to the operations that follow in this sedition.

Josephus - Wars Book 5 -Chap.1 - para. 5

• They

• [the seditious Jews] agreed in nothing but this, to kill those that were innocent. The noise also of those that were fighting was incessant, both by day and by night; but the lamentations of those that mourned exceeded the other; nor was there ever any occasion for them to leave off their lamentations, because their calamities came perpetually one upon another, although the deep consternation they were in prevented their outward wailing; but being constrained by their fear to conceal their inward passions, they were inwardly tormented, without daring to open their lips in groans. Nor was any regard paid to those that were still alive, by their relations; nor was there any care taken of burial for those that were dead; the occasion of both which was this, that every one despaired of himself; for those that were not among the seditious had no great desires of any thing, as expecting for certain that they should very soon be destroyed; but for the seditious themselves, they fought against each other, while they trod upon the dead bodies as they lay heaped one upon another, and taking up a mad rage from those dead bodies that were under their feet, became the fiercer thereupon. They, moreover, were still inventing somewhat or other that was pernicious against themselves; and when they had resolved upon any thing, they executed it without mercy, and omitted no method of torment or of barbarity.
  

Josephus - Wars Book 6 -Chap.2 - para. 1 - HOW TITUS . . . PERSUADED JOSEPHUS TO EXHORT THE JEWS AGAIN [TO A SURRENDER].

• And WHO IS THERE THAT DOES NOT KNOW what the writings of the ancient prophets contain in them, - and particularly that oracle which is just now going to be fulfilled upon this miserable city? For they foretold that this city should be then taken when somebody shall begin the slaughter of his own countrymen. And are not both the city and the entire temple now full of the dead bodies of your countrymen? It is God, therefore, it is God himself who is bringing on this fire, to purge that city and temple by means of the Romans, and is going to pluck up this city, which is full of your pollutions."

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Who is Josephus? I have heard of him, but if he isn't in the books of the bible, I don't accept it as truth. Gods Word is complete.

 

[Breetai]

Josephus was a major historian in the first century. His books, Wars of the Jews and Jewish Antiquities, give awesome insights on....well....the Jews of the first century. He covers all the major groups of the time (Pharisees, Saducces, Zealots and the Essenes). He was especially partial to the Essenes. Knowing about Jewish culture and customs helps us to understand the world of the Bible. Knowing these things helps Bible translators pick the best words to use in their Bible translations.

No, Josephus is not God's Word, but he is important to understanding the context of it.

 

[Breetai]

I must admit, I feel a little foolish debating with my seniors. I mean no disrespect. I just feel that when I know a fair bit on a subject, I must give my input.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Who is Josephus? I have heard of him, but if he isn't in the books of the bible, I don't accept it as truth. Gods Word is complete.

Greetings By His Grace,

Josephus, an honorable historian, was a Jew who became a General in the Roman Army. He undertook to write an accurate, relatively unbiased history of the Jews. One book is "The Antiquity of the Jews" and another most valuable book is the "Wars" which include the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

If you haven't, which my guess is that you have not, you should download a copy of E-sword, or give a donation to them and they will send you a CD loaded with numerous Bible versions, commentaries and various topics, included also are these two books by Josephus.

The NT does not reveal much about 70 A.D. as you know, nor does the OT go into a whole lot of depth foretelling of those events. Josephus is the one historian which most serious Bible scholars have looked to, to fill in the blanks.

It would be well worth your while to get the CD, or download it to your computer for FREE. It is a REALLY great Computer Bible.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Thanks Dad Ernie, I just might check into it.

 

[parousia70]

Ah, no that is a wrong statement. They are blinded right now to the truth, not totally lost. God is going to turn to them again to be saved.

So, If a Christ rejecting Jew dies today, He is not "Totally Lost"?

And what criteria do you use to determine what constitutes a Jew?

Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew, and so is Dr. Laura.

Are they only temporarily blinded?
Does merely choosing to reject Christ and practice Judiasm make one a "Jew" in Gods eyes?

And Hasn't God already turned to the Jews to be saved via the Cross?

Are you saying Jews have extra criteria they have to meet in order to get salvation that gentiles do not?

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

So, If a Christ rejecting Jew dies today, He is not "Totally Lost"?

And what criteria do you use to determine what constitutes a Jew?

Sammy Davis Jr. was a Jew, and so is Dr. Laura.

Are they only temporarily blinded?
Does merely choosing to reject Christ and practice Judiasm make one a "Jew" in Gods eyes?

And Hasn't God already turned to the Jews to be saved via the Cross?

Are you saying Jews have extra criteria they have to meet in order to get salvation that gentiles do not?

If a Christ rejecting anyone dies today, they are lost, Jews included. I'm 1/4 Jew, but I have accepted Christ. Why interject symantics into something simple? This is Jewish by blood, not just practicing Judiasm. Yes, they have extra criteria that has to be met for their rejecting the Son of God the first go round. For one thing, they get to see the antichrist sit down in their newly rebuilt temple, and say he is god. God has blinded the majority, but only God knows why some have had their eyes opened...Maybe it's called mercy, because it's evident that some have accepted Jesus. As soon as "the age of grace" is over for the Gentiles, then God is going to once again turn to the Jews. As far as Sammy Davis Jr. goes, if he died in his sins, he's going to fry in hell. If Dr. Lauras eyes aren't opened before she dies, she's going to join him.
The whole thing boils down to this. There is really no excuse for ANYONE, Jew or non Jew to not accept Christ. Good Lord, the gospel is being preached enough, but the bible does say that they have been blinded.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I must admit, I feel a little foolish debating with my seniors. I mean no disrespect. I just feel that when I know a fair bit on a subject, I must give my input.

ROFL, are you referring to me, because it says I'm 53 up above? Go for it. I love talking and debating with the "youngsters". I'm not in the old rocking chair yet, .

 

[parousia70]

If a Christ rejecting anyone dies today, they are lost, Jews included. I'm 1/4 Jew, but I have accepted Christ. Why interject symantics into something simple?

Well, you claimed that Jews are not totally lost. I merely was asking you for some clarification and I'm glad I did, because it appears that you believe that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ IS IN FACT totally Lost. Your previous quote indicated something different to me, in that you seemed to be saying that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ was only "Temporarily Blinded".

This is Jewish by blood, not just practicing Judiasm.

Could you elaborate?

How does anyone know today whether or not they are a "Jew By Blood"
You claimed to be 1/4 Jew, so I presume you posess some knowledge about the passing on of Jewish DNA throughout the centuries.
Does 1/4 Jewish Blood count as being a "Jew"?
Also, are you sure that converting to judiasm won't make you a Jew?

Yes, they have extra criteria that has to be met for their rejecting the Son of God the first go round.

So, they can't merely accept Christ by faith, they have extra works they need to accomplish in order to be saved?

For one thing, they get to see the antichrist sit down in their newly rebuilt temple, and say he is god.

Where exactly does the Bible teach that "antichrist" does this?
(if you are referring to 2 Thessalonains 2:3-4, please go on to show how Pauls "Man of Sin" is biblically related in any way to John's "antichrist")
Also, please show where the Bible teaches he does this in a "Newly rebuilt" temple, and not years, decades or centuries after it's built.

As soon as "the age of grace" is over for the Gentiles, then God is going to once again turn to the Jews.

So today grace is not available for the Jews?
And where does scripture teach you this "end of Gods grace"?

 

[Palatka44]

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How does anyone know today whether or not they are a "Jew By Blood"
You claimed to be 1/4 Jew, so I presume you posess some knowledge about the passing on of Jewish DNA throughout the centuries.
Does 1/4 Jewish Blood count as being a "Jew"?

In Jewish tradition their lineage is traced all the way back to Abraham. All Jewish families must have record of their family tree as proof of their lineage and backed up by the lineage of cousins, uncles etc. However if one were to become a Christian (as did my great, great Grandfather on my mother's side) the name of that person is blotted out of all family records and family trees of all related lineages. This is what happened to my great, great grandfather, however I do not know if this is still practiced today.

So today grace is not available for the Jews?

And where does scripture teach you this "end of Gods grace"?

As in the case of my great,great grandfather grace is available to the Jews.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

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Well, you claimed that Jews are not totally lost. I merely was asking you for some clarification and I'm glad I did, because it appears that you believe that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ IS IN FACT totally Lost. Your previous quote indicated something different to me, in that you seemed to be saying that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ was only "Temporarily Blinded".



Could you elaborate?

How does anyone know today whether or not they are a "Jew By Blood"
You claimed to be 1/4 Jew, so I presume you posess some knowledge about the passing on of Jewish DNA throughout the centuries.
Does 1/4 Jewish Blood count as being a "Jew"?
Also, are you sure that converting to judiasm won't make you a Jew?



So, they can't merely accept Christ by faith, they have extra works they need to accomplish in order to be saved?




Where exactly does the Bible teach that "antichrist" does this?
(if you are referring to 2 Thessalonains 2:3-4, please go on to show how Pauls "Man of Sin" is biblically related in any way to John's "antichrist")
Also, please show where the Bible teaches he does this in a "Newly rebuilt" temple, and not years, decades or centuries after it's built.



So today grace is not available for the Jews?
And where does scripture teach you this "end of Gods grace"?

Well, you claimed that Jews are not totally lost. I merely was asking you for some clarification and I'm glad I did, because it appears that you believe that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ IS IN FACT totally Lost.

Please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say, or add on to what I said, and didn't say. I do not believe that every Jew that has not accepted Christ is totally lost. The Jews before Christ came, and who worshipped God were saved...Like Abraham. Now since Christ has come, every Jew who had the chance to accept Him and died are lost. The "lost" referred to are those AFTER Christ came and died on the cross. These are the ones that I am talking about.
There are only a remnant that are going to be saved, and I believe it is just the 144,000 that are sealed.

Your previous quote indicated something different to me, in that you seemed to be saying that every Jew who has ever lived and died without accepting Christ was only "Temporarily Blinded".



Could you elaborate?

That's not what I said. You just didn't understand what I said. Once again, post Christ, cross, resurrection, ascension etc. I believe that all those Jews that aren't going to be sealed, are going to be lost. The ones that are going to be sealed, I believe that they are blinded right now..."IF" Christ returns in our lifetime. If not, then He will have the future remnant sealed.

How does anyone know today whether or not they are a "Jew By Blood"
You claimed to be 1/4 Jew, so I presume you posess some knowledge about the passing on of Jewish DNA throughout the centuries.
Does 1/4 Jewish Blood count as being a "Jew"?

Are you serious here??? Haven't you ever done a geneology of your family, or your family never told you what nationality you are descended from? I come from the linage of Jonah. My people took on the name Jonas instead, for whatever reasons way back when. Probably to keep from being persecuted. If you could see my father, sister, and myself, you would see the Jewishness in us.
As far as being 1/4 Jew, who knows if that counts as being a Jew in Gods eyes. Only he knows for sure. I look at it this way. My 1/4, and by me being grafted into the Jewish tree "Spirtually", pretty much makes me full blooded. All those who accept Jesus, are Abrahams seed, even you, and Abraham was definately a Jew.

Also, are you sure that converting to judiasm won't make you a Jew?



So, they can't merely accept Christ by faith, they have extra works they need to accomplish in order to be saved?

That's about the same thing as saying....if I convert to be a Catholic, I automatically become the Pope. NO, this is a bloodline, not accepting someone elses faith. SURE, they can accept Christ by faith, IF the Spirit draws them, and they accept Him. Not all are saved, just like the Gentiles. Like I stated previously, there is only a remnant. God knows who they are, so I don't dwell on it.
The "extra works" as you put it, will come into play when we get to that point of the AC being revealed, and the sacrifices started again. If any Jews are called by Gods Spirit now, and they accept Him, they shall be saved. Many are blinded right now.

Where exactly does the Bible teach that "antichrist" does this?
(if you are referring to 2 Thessalonains 2:3-4, please go on to show how Pauls "Man of Sin" is biblically related in any way to John's "antichrist")
Also, please show where the Bible teaches he does this in a "Newly rebuilt" temple, and not years, decades or centuries after it's built.



So today grace is not available for the Jews?
And where does scripture teach you this "end of Gods grace"?

[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I can tell by your questioning on this that you are wanting to get into a heated debate about this subject. I'm not going there. Been there, done that before. I'll stick with my views, and you can have yours .

 

[Symes]

Why would one want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem?

God does not have a chosen nation anymore. The Jews as a people are not God's chosen one. They have rejected Him and as such are lost as a nation not as individuals.

Gal.3:26-29
"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

If we believe in Christ we are spiritual Jews and are heirs according to the promises. But that is not as a literal Jew only as a spiritual Jew as God's Word says.

Why were the Jews cast aside?

2 Chron. 7:14
"if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

They did not do this so God told them what would happen if they did not.

2 Chron. 7:19-22
""But if you [3] turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you [4] and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20 then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21 And though this temple is now so imposing, all who pass by will be appalled and say, 'Why has the LORD done such a thing to this land and to this temple?' 22 People will answer, 'Because they have forsaken the LORD , the God of their fathers, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them-that is why he brought all this disaster on them.' "

This is what they are today. The promise made to them were conditional upon their obedience. They were disobedient so lost them.

 

[Dad Ernie]

Why would one want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem?

God does not have a chosen nation anymore. The Jews as a people are not God's chosen one. They have rejected Him and as such are lost as a nation not as individuals.

Greetings Symes,

Lots of scripture from the OT, so how about these:

Deut 4:26-31 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. 27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Do you get the gist? In the LATTER days, in days of TRIBULATION (the Great Tribulation) God will NOT forsake them nor forget the covenant of their fathers.

So how about some NT support?

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

I too do not believe the Temple will be rebuilt, but God has not forgetton nor forsaken Israel because of His rememberance of the Covenant with their fathers.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Does this last verse ring a bell? Like Deut 4:31?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie