Would You Help To Rebuild The Jewish Temple?

[Pacigoth13]

I agree, the temple rebuilding should not be supported b/c the temple is no longer the means for connection with God. Christ is the temple to God, to say otherwise is idolatry.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I agree, the temple rebuilding should not be supported b/c the temple is no longer the means for connection with God. Christ is the temple to God, to say otherwise is idolatry.

Are you sad tonight Pacigoth13 . Your emodicon doesn't look very happy. Hope you are okay, .

 

[robnewbold]

*sigh*

Not at all. If you read it again, you will see that Gabriel is referring to an event that stops the current action. Which is the sacrificing and the oblation. And it is not the Messiah, I don't know where you get that. It is the FALSE CHRIST. The Coming World Leader.

I suppose you see it figurative also? There seems to be a lot of that here. Calgon, take me away!

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I think that the antichrist stops the sacrifices. The reason being, satan always counterfits what God does, and has an evil parallel. Since the AC is going to sit in the temple and proclaim that he is god, he is going to want worship paid to him, like is due our Saviour, who IS our Sacrifice. I think the AC is going to say that he is the sacrifice like Jesus is, so he stops the daily sacrifices, since their is no other sacrifice now. Otherwise, what would be his reason for stopping them?

 

[Linda8]

I think that the antichrist stops the sacrifices. The reason being, satan always counterfits what God does, and has an evil parallel. Since the AC is going to sit in the temple and proclaim that he is god, he is going to want worship paid to him, like is due our Saviour, who IS our Sacrifice. I think the AC is going to say that he is the sacrifice like Jesus is, so he stops the daily sacrifices, since their is no other sacrifice now. Otherwise, what would be his reason for stopping them?

If Christ is the SACRIFICE then there will BE NO SACRIFICE to be stopped

by the Anti Christ since Christ HAS ALREADY been sacrificed.. ONE TIME.

There is no future sacrifice to be stopped because in Christ there are NO

future daily blood sacrifices hence the Anti Christ CANNOT put a stop to

sacrifices which DO NOT exist.

That is why the Anti Christ needs to stop something else, since HE CANNOT

ROLL BACK time and Stop the crucifixion of Christ.

Christ's sacrifice CAN NEVER BE STOPPED because it took place in the

past..... over 1900 years ago.

It is too late to stop the sacrifice of Christ,.... too late for the Anti Christ

to stop Christ's sacrifice.

 

[Linda8]

*sigh*

Not at all. If you read it again, you will see that Gabriel is referring to an event that stops the current action. Which is the sacrificing and the oblation. And it is not the Messiah, I don't know where you get that. It is the FALSE CHRIST. The Coming World Leader.

I suppose you see it figurative also? There seems to be a lot of that here. Calgon, take me away!

Well, Gabriel could not have been speaking about sacrifices that

would take place in out time.. that is after the 1st advent.

Sacrifices are Non- Existent today and the Jews DO NOT sacrifice.

If Christ is the SACRIFICE then there will BE NO SACRIFICE to be stopped

by the Anti Christ since Christ HAS ALREADY been sacrificed.. ONE TIME.

There is no future sacrifice to be stopped because in Christ there are NO

future daily blood sacrifices hence the Anti Christ CANNOT put a stop to

sacrifices which DO NOT exist.

That is why the Anti Christ needs to stop something else, since HE CANNOT

ROLL BACK time and Stop the crucifixion of Christ.

Christ's sacrifice CAN NEVER BE STOPPED because it took place in the

past..... over 1900 years ago.

It is too late to stop the sacrifice of Christ,.... too late for the Anti Christ

to stop Christ's sacrifice.

 

[ikester]

If Christ is the SACRIFICE then there will BE NO SACRIFICE to be stopped

by the Anti Christ since Christ HAS ALREADY been sacrificed.. ONE TIME.

There is no future sacrifice to be stopped because in Christ there are NO

future daily blood sacrifices hence the Anti Christ CANNOT put a stop to

sacrifices which DO NOT exist.

That is why the Anti Christ needs to stop something else, since HE CANNOT

ROLL BACK time and Stop the crucifixion of Christ.

Christ's sacrifice CAN NEVER BE STOPPED because it took place in the

past..... over 1900 years ago.

It is too late to stop the sacrifice of Christ,.... too late for the Anti Christ

to stop Christ's sacrifice.

for believeing christians....your right.....but the world as a whole aren't...even cults today...as I understand...sacrafice small animals... such as those that worship satan....as for the most part jews...believe not in Jesus or the new testament.....

 

[Just The Facts]

The Sacrifice that is taken away from God is not animal sacrifice.

It is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. Not some animal being killed on an alter.

When the AC rises up and kills the 144,000 he takes away the only Acceptable sacrifice in Gods eyes.

That sacrifice is the prayers and deeds of the Saints.

15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Rom:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Phil:4:18: But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Heb:13:16: But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Matthew 12: 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.

Mark12: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Rev 8:4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

 

[Atkin]

The Sacrifice that is taken away from God is not animal sacrifice.

It is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. Not some animal being killed on an alter.

When the AC rises up and kills the 144,000 he takes away the only Acceptable sacrifice in Gods eyes.

That sacrifice is the prayers and deeds of the Saints.

Your point about the 144000 is false. Nowhere does it state that the 144000 are killed and resurrected.

Some people are killed yes, but how do you get around the fact that Christ

returns when the 144000 are still alive and the 144000 NEVER RESURRECT anyway.. for they do not die.

Revelation
[size=+2]7[/size] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

THEY WERE NOT DEAD and once Christ returns THEY ARE PROTECTED BY THE LAMB and follow him wherever He goes.


In fact the Bible states that THEY ARE ALIVE AND PROTECTED AND SEALED

WHEN the angels are warned NOT TO act until all the 144000 are sealed.

Regarding other Christians, the Anti Christ is powerless before ordinary Christians because He cannot enter their brains, hearts and minds and STOP

all acceptance of Christ and internal worship of God and Christ.

God cares little for outward showing off and outward extravagant displays

of worship and NO ONE can monitor human brains to determine who is

praying to Christ or not.

That is where it counts, internal worship of God and Christ irrespective of

whomever is killed.

Irrespective of who is killed, those alive cannot have their brains locked up and erased of acceptance of Christ.

Bear in mind that even those killed in Christ would not have lost anything

because they will resurrect anyway.

Hence the Antichrist is powerless since he cannot enter human spirits

and force humans to INTERNALLY reject Christ.

Other than a few who may verbally act as if they will abandon Christ, those with internal conviction and internal submission to God and Christ

are not going to be affected by the Anti Christ.

A human being's brain and mind submitted to God and Christ cannot be controlled by another

human being.

Jeez, now people will make up scenarios of Presidents/Leaders running around

checking human brains IN THE PRIVACY OF BEDROOMS to see whether people ARE PRAYING TO CHRIST.

IMPOSSIBLE.. you cannot enter the human brain of another human spiritually.

The 144000 are never killed by anyone.. that is not Biblical.

See Rev 7.

 

[Atkin]

The Sacrifice that is taken away from God is not animal sacrifice.

It is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. Not some animal being killed on an alter.

When the AC rises up and kills the 144,000 he takes away the only Acceptable sacrifice in Gods eyes.

That sacrifice is the prayers and deeds of the Saints.

15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

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Saints such as Saint Peter, John etc cannot be taken away from God because they are not living on earth.

Your interpretation does not hold. Do you imply prayers by ordinary Christians

are not acceptable sacrifices before God?

There are MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS praying right now. Are their prayers

inferior to the 144000 Christians before God? That is not possible.

Explain how the dead Saint Peter can be touched and taken away by

a mortal Anti Christ living on earth.

Lets look at the ff..

The 144000 are not the only Saints before God.

The 144000 are regular Christian Israelites.... CHRISTIAN human beings.

They cannot be Saints IN THE STATUS OF SAINT PETER and be living on earth.. they are Christian [or future Christian] people walking around Earth right now or people who will be in Christ at the time of Rev 7:1 ..

No atheist can reject Christ up till that time and be part of the 144000..

 

[robnewbold]

Wow.. more great input for the 'figurative' crowd. Yipee! When it happens, go tell the Coming World Leader, as he is basically canceling the contract that he enforce which starts the whole 7 years, that he is only a figurative person! That he doesn't exist! Of perhaps you can figuratively fly over there. Or maybe even figuratively think about doing it... Figuratively speaking.

 

[Palatka44]

Wow.. more great input for the 'figurative' crowd. Yipee! When it happens, go tell the Coming World Leader, as he is basically canceling the contract that he enforce which starts the whole 7 years, that he is only a figurative person! That he doesn't exist! Of perhaps you can figuratively fly over there. Or maybe even figuratively think about doing it... Figuratively speaking.

Please check out the following post. http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1355441#post1355441

 

[robnewbold]

Great... I still don't agree.

 

[Palatka44]

Great... I still don't agree.

You know the scripture Rob. Just keep your eyes wide open and not "wide shut". Please don't dismiss what I've posted and know that I too hope that I am wrong.
I would use the phrase that is coined by Ripley's but I do not wish to pay royalties.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Benny Hinn has the television program in the archives on his site regarding the temple, if you want to see it. The rabbi from the temple Institute is on there and talks about it. Click onto Nov 18, 2003 on the archives on the bottom right. http://www.bennyhinn.org/tiyd.cfm

 

[Atkin]

Wow.. more great input for the 'figurative' crowd. Yipee! When it happens, go tell the Coming World Leader, as he is basically canceling the contract that he enforce which starts the whole 7 years, that he is only a figurative person! That he doesn't exist! Of perhaps you can figuratively fly over there. Or maybe even figuratively think about doing it... Figuratively speaking.

It would be very difficult for a single human being to rule the world in this era.

Ask any politician... it is not possible these days.

There are people behind the scenes manipulating finance, wars etc but


they are limited in what they can do and no human being WANTS TO

COMMIT SUICIDE by being the Anti Christ.

 

[Atkin]

The Sacrifice that is taken away from God is not animal sacrifice.

It is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. Not some animal being killed on an alter.

When the AC rises up and kills the 144,000 he takes away the only Acceptable sacrifice in Gods eyes.

That sacrifice is the prayers and deeds of the Saints.

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Your verses below explain exactly what I was saying because God expects Christians to live lives that find favor in the sight of GOD AND in doing

so with reverence and worship, this constitutes sacrifice to God BUT THE POINT IS this is expected from ALL CHRISTIANS, not just the 144000

or the Saints (The Saints are not on earth at this time anyway)

15 Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Rom:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Phil:4:18: But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Heb:13:16: But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Matthew 12: 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.

Mark12: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

1Peter 2:5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Rev 8:4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

Another point made is that God is not focusing on the sacrifices alone, but

more of continuous spiritual submission to his will, which then constitutes

sacrifice Matthew 12: 7 1Peter 2:5 expand on this.

The prayers of the Saints cannot be affected by a human anti christ living

on earth.

 

[Palatka44]

It would be very difficult for a single human being to rule the world in this era.

Ask any politician... it is not possible these days.

There are people behind the scenes manipulating finance, wars etc but


they are limited in what they can do and no human being WANTS TO

COMMIT SUICIDE by being the Anti Christ.

Which is why he'll have a ten nation confederacy, Please note the following;

Daniel 7:24,25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

John backs this up in Revelation.

Revelation 17:12,13
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Though he will be a mad man he is no fool. To rule the western world will require a great deal of cooperation. However there will still be areas of the world that will not be under his influence. It would seem that 7 years would not be enough time for him to consolidate world wide power. Not that he isn't going to try now mind you.

 

[Just The Facts]

HI

Wow I can see I have a lot of work to do here.

I want to address a few things that were said in response to my last post.

Hi Atkin

Yes they are killed.

9: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
3: And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14: And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These are those that have died in the name of the lord.

You do not seem to understand what it means to be sealed Peter Paul and the rest of the early martyrs were sealed yet they were put to death by the State for refusing to follow Roman Law.

You seem to be caught in the false teaching that being sealed means you are not murdered by the Prince of this World. All the early Martyrs were sealed and murdered.

2Cor:1:22: Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph:1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph:4:30: And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Now you need to understand who these 144,000 are. They are those who are to be killed as their Brethern had been killed

11: And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

These are the Final 144,000 prophets Disciples that are sent into the Earth to warn Christianity to repent or receive the Plagues. They will be murdered as their Brethern had been for refusing to worship as the State dictates.

Think of it this way before each major event in the Bible God sends out a prophet to warn the people.

Amos 3: 7: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

For Israel he sent Amos and Joel and Isaiah for Judea it was Jeremiah and Isaiah and Daniel and Ezekiel, to the Assyrians it was Jonah.

For the Great tribulation God will send 144,000 prophets to warn of the coming Wrath.

The Great tribulation starts with the sealing of the 144,000 not Jewish but CHRISTIAN prophets.

They announce to the world that the Time of Gods wrath has come and who can stand. The world laughs at them Christianity says they are just a cult of weirdoes.

They announce the blowing of each Trumpet. The people of the world will hate these 144,000 as they continually say repent or receive even worse plagues. The First four trumpets are blown and the Earth is devastated by the plagues.

When The AC is revealed at the Fifth Trumpet he will seek a way to kill the 144,000.

You see they will all believe that The AC is Jesus returned they will all believe that they have just defeated the AC and that the 144,000 are the demons Jesus spoke of in Matt 24:

They will all believe that the 1,000 peace has begun and that They are starting to build Holy Jerusalem like in Rev 21: Oh sure I know it says it comes out of heaven but doctrines of demons will explain that away.

They will start building, what they say and believe is Holy Jerusalem of Rev 21. This is when the 144,000 Great Tribulation Saints will be Murdered. The AC will rise up suddenly and speak against the 144,00 and Christianity thinking he is Jesus will murder the 144,000 at his Behest. The people of the Earth will rejoice at their death they will send presents to each other.

Which leads me to addressing your other point which is that they are modern Israelites that is they are alll Jewish ........they are not all Jewish only 12,000 are Jewish but when they are sealed they are already Christian.

When it says that they follow the Lamb where ever he goes it does not mean they follow him around on Earth.

It means this they follow the Lamb …….the Word…….. where ever it goes where ever it takes them. They do not follow the Lies of the harlot and her many Harlot Daughters they have come out of these false teachings the Doctrines of Men, the Doctrines of the harlot, the Doctrines of Demons. They follow the Word where ever it takes them. They do this even unto their deaths at the hands of Mainstream Christianity murdered for refusing to Worship the AC as Jesus returned.

The 144,000 are the Great tribulation Saints they will be sealed as in days of old with the Full Power of the Spirit. It is their Murder by the AC that takes away Gods continual sacrifice it takes away the prayers and deeds of the Saints on Earth.. So yes I am saying there prayers and deeds are more then yours and mine for they are sealed we are not they have full power of the Spirit we do not.

From the Murder of the 144,000 to the completion and dedication of what Mainstream Christianity believes is Holy Jerusalem with the AC sitting in the inner rooms showing himself to be Jesus returned will be 1290 Days. 45 Days after the dedication of this false Holy Jerusalem, the Kings of the East will meet with the AC and the Rest of the kings of the Earth at Megiddeo. Jesus will show up wit the Armies of heaven and capture the AC and destroy all the soldiers………… of all the Armies…….. of all the Countries……. of the World.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Your verses below explain exactly what I was saying because God expects Christians to live lives that find favor in the sight of GOD AND in doing

so with reverence and worship, this constitutes sacrifice to God BUT THE POINT IS this is expected from ALL CHRISTIANS, not just the 144000

or the Saints (The Saints are not on earth at this time anyway)



Another point made is that God is not focusing on the sacrifices alone, but

more of continuous spiritual submission to his will, which then constitutes

sacrifice Matthew 12: 7 1Peter 2:5 expand on this.

The prayers of the Saints cannot be affected by a human anti christ living

on earth.

The Sacrifice that is taken away from God is not animal sacrifice.

It is the prayers and deeds of the Saints. Not some animal being killed on an alter.

I would have to say that the Jews are more familiar with the Jewish laws then the Gentiles are. The Jews think that they are still under the law.You are wrong. Most of the Jews are as blind as bats right now concerning Jesus, and Him being the only sacrifice. YES, they will institute the animal sacrifices, no matter how wrong it is to us Christians. I have talked to Jews, and this is exactly what is going to happen. The "saints" aren't the ones sacrificing. Gee, think about this statement. It says the DAILY sacrifice. We don't refer to our prayers and deeds as the daily sacrifice.