Works Relation to Salvation

[Gary K]

No where are the 10 separates from the rest and called moral. You are conflating the "written on stone with the finger of God" as a universal moral the 10 are never describes this way in Scripture. Who was the tablets made for is also not a question you seem willing to address. Again "finger of God" is being conflated with a meaning that is never revealed in Scripture.

You see only black or white in this for some reason, either it's all moral or I'm saying there is nothing moral in the 10. I'm not saying thst, and in no way does this mean there are no moral competents in the 10 but that is different than uniquely declaring the 10 as universal moral law.

Go ahead and tell your neighbour they are being immoral for doing yard work on a Saturday and see how well that works. All you will effectively do is estranged your neighbour from the gospel. Yard work or not yard work on a Saturday is not a gospel matter, except when it's used to show love, son instead of wagging your finger run over and help them out. You will see a heart instantly change and greater access to share the gospel.

Why would I do that? I have no reason to insult my neighbor, just like I have no reason to insult you. We just think differently.

It looks to me as if you're the one willing to insult someone over their beliefs

 

[DamianWarS]

Why would I do that? I have no reason to insult my neighbor, just like I have no reason to insult you. We just think differently.

It looks to me as if you're the one willing to insult someone over their beliefs

Sure, then just lock your doors and close the blinds on the Sabbath, its the same effect. I have reason to help my neighbour, not insult them (or shut them out), and on any day of the week I will offer a hand should they need it. After all Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

 

[Studyman]

That's not how I read his post, but rather that the categorizing some as "moral" as if others aren't moral is a false dichotomy. The Mosaic law is a complete unit, so if part of it must be kept then all of it must be kept.

This is simply not true. The Levitical Priesthood was always going to change, and the Laws pertaining to the sacrificial, "works of the law" for the remission of sins in this "Ministration of death", was always going to become old and pass away.

Heb. 10: 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Surely God knew, when HE gave His Priesthood Covenant exclusively to Levi, that the Prophesied Priest of God "After those days" would come from the tribe of Judah.

So these Priesthood Laws "Concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices" for sin, that were "ADDED" because of the Golden calf (Transgressions) "Till the Seed Should Come" were temporary upon its creation.

So yes, in this world's religions, it is taught that the "Mosiac Law" is one complete unit, so that if the animal sacrifices passed away, so also did the 10 commandments pass away. But this is a deception promoted by "Many" who come in Christ's Name, one that Jesus said to take heed of. If a man believes all that is written, it was the Sacrificial Priesthood "works of the Law" that became old and passed away. Not God's Commandments showing how to love and honor Him, and how to love others.

Arguing that the 10 commandments are still in force because they are "moral" while dismissing the sacrificial laws, food laws, laws about not harvesting the whole field, laws about putting to death family members who entice you to follow other gods, laws about putting to death false prophets..etc, etc..must equally be enforced because they are also "moral."

That is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious businesses and franchises and believed on by "many".

But for those who study and believe "ALL" that is written, this popular religious philosophy is proven to be from man and not God.

 

[Studyman]

Hi Soyeong,

I have no problem with a supposed number of 613 total laws in the old covenant. My issue lies with those who claim such, "SDAs are masters at segregating laws." That SDAs and others rightly segregate the Ten Commandments from the 603 laws, decrees and ordinances. @Bob S has no response for why God placed a numeral in the title of His covenant of commandments. If it's a covenant of 613 commandments then what does the number ten have to do with anything? God said He "added nothing more," yet Bob S thinks it's totally cool to add to it. That's the issue I'm addressing about "adding to what God has commanded."

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

This whole "613" Laws deception was created to promote the religious philosophy that God's Laws are the "Yoke of Bondage" spoken of in the Testimony. Bob S is an advocate of this philosophy.

The truth is, God never placed 613 Laws on the neck of even ONE man. EVER!!! It seems prudent to point this undeniable biblical Fact out.

How they create this number is deceptive. For example, in the Scriptures, you will find a Law;

Lev. 18: 6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

So this is one Law. But God goes on to define "kin".

7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. And so on.

The deceivers then report that instead of "One law", which is true, there are 21 laws which there isn't.

This is akin to saying the Speed Limit is 55 MPH. One Law. But then going on to say, don't drive 60 mph, and don't drive 65 mph, and don't drive 70 mph and don't drive 75 mph, and don't drive 80 mph, and don't drive 85 mph, and don't drive 90 mph, and don't drive 95 mph and then telling others that the State imposed 9 speed limit Laws on its drivers.

You are right to question this popular but deceptive claim of the "613" Laws doctrine.

 

[Studyman]

The Sabbath law was exclusively given to those that came out of slavery in Egypt. God never gave it to any other nation. To try to make it universal is Biblically unethical. Another thing, you cannot prove that the Sabbath was given to any other person on Earth except those that came out of Egypt and their posterity. All of you Sabbath believers have yet to prove me wrong. You just try your best to belittle me for believing what is soundly scriptural.

This deserves a more detailed response. As for "Proving" things, the scriptures teach that the members of the Body of Christ, the Church of God, live by FAITH. Which by very definition, means to believe things we cannot see.

You cannot "see" that God's Sabbath was created for man, in creation. But Jesus said God's Sabbath was "Made for man". And the Scriptures clearly teach that God Sanctified, Set apart and made Holy the 7th day, "AFTER" HE created man. This perfectly aligns with the Words of the Jesus of the Bible, that God's Sabbath was indeed "Made for man".

Now "many" who call Jesus Lord, don't believe Jesus, instead they believe God set apart and sanctified His Holy Sabbath in creation, for some other purpose, although they never articulate what that purpose might be.

But when a person reads what is actually written, the Words of Jesus ring true.

Ex. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is confirmed in Genesis

Gen. 2: 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

And who did God create this Sabbath for? Himself? No, the Jesus of the bible said God made it for man. So you look for proof that Abraham, a man, considered God's Sabbath as blessed and Holy and sanctified.

Gen. 26: 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So God made a Judgment and a Charge regarding the 7th day. His Son, the Jesus of the Bible, told me that this Charge, this Judgment that God created and placed on the 7th Day was created "For man". Since this Judgment was created "AFTER" God created man, it seems clear that Adam and Noah and Abraham were all aware of it, given they were men.

Unless you have something from scriptures which teach that God withheld this one judgment Jesus said was "Made for man", from the very men Jesus said HE made the Judgment for, then your preaching that God only created His Sabbath for men born 430 years after Abraham is foolishness. And you have NO Proof of this religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting at all.

Perhaps if you had faith in the Words of the Jesus of the Bible, you wouldn't be preaching to others that "made for man" only means men born after God said Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

 

[Fervent]

This is simply not true. The Levitical Priesthood was always going to change, and the Laws pertaining to the sacrificial, "works of the law" for the remission of sins in this "Ministration of death", was always going to become old and pass away.

Heb. 10: 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Surely God knew, when HE gave His Priesthood Covenant exclusively to Levi, that the Prophesied Priest of God "After those days" would come from the tribe of Judah.

So these Priesthood Laws "Concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices" for sin, that were "ADDED" because of the Golden calf (Transgressions) "Till the Seed Should Come" were temporary upon its creation.

So yes, in this world's religions, it is taught that the "Mosiac Law" is one complete unit, so that if the animal sacrifices passed away, so also did the 10 commandments pass away. But this is a deception promoted by "Many" who come in Christ's Name, one that Jesus said to take heed of. If a man believes all that is written, it was the Sacrificial Priesthood "works of the Law" that became old and passed away. Not God's Commandments showing how to love and honor Him, and how to love others.




That is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious businesses and franchises and believed on by "many".

But for those who study and believe "ALL" that is written, this popular religious philosophy is proven to be from man and not God.

It is the unnatural divisionn of the law into "moral" or "non-moral" that is human philosophy, coming largely from Thomas Aquinas. The Levital priesthood was a replacement f the first born, but there is no indication that such a priesthood was added because of the golden calf incident. In fact, the golden calf incident indicates that Aaron already occupied a high priest position which is why the people asked him to create an image of YHWH for them to worship. That is of course besides the fact that the golden calf incident preceded the giving of the 10 commandmennts since the whole reason they fashiooned the calf was because Moses had not come down from the mountain.

 

[Gary K]

It is the unnatural divisionn of the law into "moral" or "non-moral" that is human philosophy, coming largely from Thomas Aquinas. The Levital priesthood was a replacement f the first born, but there is no indication that such a priesthood was added because of the golden calf incident. In fact, the golden calf incident indicates that Aaron already occupied a high priest position which is why the people asked him to create an image of YHWH for them to worship. That is of course besides the fact that the golden calf incident preceded the giving of the 10 commandmennts since the whole reason they fashiooned the calf was because Moses had not come down from the mountain.

No Levitical priesthood added? Just how did the centuries of sacrificial offerings come into existence? How was there a high priest at Jesus' trial? And why did Moses give minute instructions for the Levitical priests to follow?

 

[Studyman]

It is the unnatural divisionn of the law into "moral" or "non-moral" that is human philosophy, coming largely from Thomas Aquinas. The Levital priesthood was a replacement f the first born, but there is no indication that such a priesthood was added because of the golden calf incident. In fact, the golden calf incident indicates that Aaron already occupied a high priest position which is why the people asked him to create an image of YHWH for them to worship.

For me, the Scriptures are very important. It's how I discern between the "preaching of this world", from the teaching of God. There was no Covenant with Levi, or Israel after the Golden Calf. Any Covenant God had with them was broken and gone.

Ex. 32: 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

The Covenant of Abraham furthered on to the Children of Israel, was broken, the Tables of Stone shattered. The Priesthood destroyed. There was no atonement, and no provision to save them. There was no Covenant because the people broke it.

There was no instruction before the Golden Calf requiring men to bring animals to a Levite Priest and "Kill them" before the Priest would provide for their forgiveness.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

God's Priesthood Covenant with Levi, requiring these sacrificial "works of the Law" didn't happen until Moses went up the 2nd time in the hopes of finding atonement that didn't exist at the time.

Ex. 32: 30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

It was after this that God made the Priesthood covenant with Levi requiring a man to bring animals to the Levite Priest, and kill them for burnt offering and sacrifices for sin.

Mal. 2: 4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

When did Levi display this fear of God?

Ex. 32: 26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

So I understand what this world's religions preach. But I also understand the warning of the Jesus of the bible, against believing the "many" who come in His Name.

Before this, there was no Command from God concerning a common man bringing sacrifices to a Levite Priest for their sins. This LAW was "ADDED" because of transgressions, Till the seed should come. You can read this truth for yourself, as God has delivered his Oracles into your own Home, into your own mind. All that is needed is belief.

It is important to note, that in the 2nd time around, God wrote the same instruction in righteousness on the Tables of Stone that HE wrote in the Tablets of Stone in the Covenant they broke. But it's also very important to understand that Abraham nor the Children of Israel were given a Priesthood in which men were required to bring a goat to a Levite Priest and kill it before their sins could be forgiven. These "Sacrificial "works of the Law" were not "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham, after the golden calf, and was only to be in place, until the Prophesied Priest of God, "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come.

It's in your own Bible.

That is of course besides the fact that the golden calf incident preceded the giving of the 10 commandmennts since the whole reason they fashiooned the calf was because Moses had not come down from the mountain.

That isn't what God teaches though. Here is God defining the reason why Israel built the Golden calf.

Ex. 32: 7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

And again;

Duet. 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation. 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is "no faith".

I know you are only promoting what this world's religions have taught both you and I. I am hoping you might consider what is actually written. If you do, you will find a lot of the doctrines you are promoting, are not from God at all, but religious men of this world.

 

[Fervent]

For me, the Scriptures are very important. It's how I discern between the "preaching of this world", from the teaching of God. There was no Covenant with Levi, or Israel after the Golden Calf. Any Covenant God had with them was broken and gone.

First, most involved in the discussions on these matters place a high value on Scripture. More importantly, though, i saying that the covenant no longer existed you invalidate the great majority of the OT and contradict God who repeatedly spoke of the covenant still being in force up until the time of Jeremiah.

 

[Leaf473]

There was no Covenant with Levi, or Israel after the Golden Calf. Any Covenant God had with them was broken and gone.

How do you look at this passage?

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 25:12-13 - New American Standard Bible

Therefore say, ‘Behold, I am giving him My covenant of peace; and it shall be for him and for his descendants after him, a covenant of a permanent priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the sons of Israel.’”

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

Sure, then just lock your doors and close the blinds on the Sabbath, its the same effect. I have reason to help my neighbour, not insult them (or shut them out), and on any day of the week I will offer a hand should they need it. After all Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

So I should be a hypocrite instead?

 

[Fervent]

No Levitical priesthood added? Just how did the centuries of sacrificial offerings come into existence? How was there a high priest at Jesus' trial? And why did Moses give minute instructions for the Levitical priests to follow?

I can't tell if you just struggle with reading comprehension or are intentionally distorting what I say. When I say the Levitical priesthood wasn't added, I don't mean there was no Levitical priesthood but that it was not a contingent addition to the covenant but an intentional part of it. The only change that happened was that rather than the priesthood drawing from the first born of all 12 tribes, the Levites were taken as a special possession of God and from them a further consecration took place with the sons of Aaron.

 

[Gary K]

I can't tell if you just struggle with reading comprehension or are intentionally distorting what I say. When I say the Levitical priesthood wasn't added, I don't mean there was no Levitical priesthood but that it was not a contingent addition to the covenant but an intentional part of it. The only change that happened was that rather than the priesthood drawing from the first born of all 12 tribes, the Levites were taken as a special possession of God and from them a further consecration took place with the sons of Aaron.

OK. I agree with you. You didn't make plain your meaning to someone who differs in belief the way we do.

 

[Fervent]

OK. I agree with you. You didn't make plain your meaning to someone who differs in belief the way we do.

I figured the context would be enough to make it clear that what was at issue was the general ordinances rather than the particular parties involved in carrying them out. But now that you mention it, I can see how it may not have been spelled out entirely.

 

[Studyman]

First, most involved in the discussions on these matters place a high value on Scripture. More importantly, though, i saying that the covenant no longer existed you invalidate the great majority of the OT and contradict God who repeatedly spoke of the covenant still being in force up until the time of Jeremiah.

You are ignoring my post and the Scriptures posted therein. If you were to consider what was posted, you would know that Moses went up a 2nd time and received another Covenant from God which included Sacrificial "Works of the Law" that wasn't included in the Covenant they Broke.

 

[Fervent]

You are ignoring my post and the Scriptures posted therein. If you were to consider what was posted, you would know that Moses went up a 2nd time and received another Covenant from God which included Sacrificial "Works of the Law" that wasn't included in the Covenant they Broke.

It's not said to be another covenant, as he once again received the 10 commandments and all the commands that are given from Ex. 20-32. The golden calf incident happened while Moses was still on the mountain, so they had not yet received the commandments. There was only one covenant ceremony where the people were consecrated to God, if there were a second covenant there would need to be a second consecration. The whole of Scripture testifies that there was one covenant made with God's people Israel through Moses, not two.

 

[Studyman]

How do you look at this passage?

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 25:12-13 - New American Standard Bible

Therefore say, ‘Behold, I am giving him My covenant of peace; and it shall be for him and for his descendants after him, a covenant of a permanent priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the sons of Israel.’”

www.biblegateway.com

If you had actually read my post, and the scriptures contained therein, you would not have asked a question that my post already answers.

 

[Studyman]

It's not said to be another covenant, as he once again received the 10 commandments and all the commands that are given from Ex. 20-32.

It is true that God included His Laws, Commandments and Statutes in this covenant, that existed in the Covenant they broke.

Ex. 34: 1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.

As you can see, God did make another Covenant because the one in place prior to the Golden calf, was Broken.

That is why Moses had to go up a 2nd time. that is why God had to write His Laws a 2nd time. Only this time, God "ADDED" burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that wasn't included in the Covenant they Broke. (See Jer. 7:22-24)

The golden calf incident happened while Moses was still on the mountain, so they had not yet received the commandments.

This also, is not true according to Scriptures.

Ex. 19: 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

And again; Ex. 20: 1-17 and also;

Exodus 20;22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.


So once again, your preaching that Israel had not yet received God's Commandments prior to the Golden calf, is also a deception, according to Scriptures.

This is what I meant when I said "For me, the Scriptures are very important. It's how I discern between the "preaching of this world", from the teaching of God."

Your preaching that the Golden Calf incident happened before the Children of Israel received God's Commandments, is another perfect example of why the Scriptures are so important in discerning truth from falsehood.

There was only one covenant ceremony where the people were consecrated to God, if there were a second covenant there would need to be a second consecration. The whole of Scripture testifies that there was one covenant made with God's people Israel through Moses, not two.

That is your adopted religious philosophy. I posted the Scriptures which exposed it as from man and not God, just as your religious philosophy that Israel had not yet received God's Commandments when they created the Golden calf.. The Hebrews author understood this truth that you are denying.

Heb. 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

I also posted God's Own words, that you didn't even acknowledge.

Ex.32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Can you tell me what Covenant agreement existed between Israel and God at this time?

The religions of this world have taught you things about God and His Word that are not true. I hope you might consider what is actually written and stop promoting the falsehoods about God's Word that the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself warned us about.

As the Jesus of the Bible said, "The Truth shall set you free".

 

[Fervent]

It is true that God included His Laws, Commandments and Statutes in this covenant, that existed in the Covenant they broke.

Ex. 34: 1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.

As you can see, God did make another Covenant because the one in place prior to the Golden calf, was Broken.

That is why Moses had to go up a 2nd time. that is why God had to write His Laws a 2nd time. Only this time, God "ADDED" burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin, that wasn't included in the Covenant they Broke. (See Jer. 7:22-24)



This also, is not true according to Scriptures.

Ex. 19: 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

And again; Ex. 20: 1-17 and also;

Exodus 20;22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. 23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.


So once again, your preaching that Israel had not yet received God's Commandments prior to the Golden calf, is also a deception, according to Scriptures.

This is what I meant when I said "For me, the Scriptures are very important. It's how I discern between the "preaching of this world", from the teaching of God."

Your preaching that the Golden Calf incident happened before the Children of Israel received God's Commandments, is another perfect example of why the Scriptures are so important in discerning truth from falsehood.



That is your adopted religious philosophy. I posted the Scriptures which exposed it as from man and not God, just as your religious philosophy that Israel had not yet received God's Commandments when they created the Golden calf.. The Hebrews author understood this truth that you are denying.

Heb. 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

I also posted God's Own words, that you didn't even acknowledge.

Ex.32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Can you tell me what Covenant agreement existed between Israel and God at this time?

The religions of this world have taught you things about God and His Word that are not true. I hope you might consider what is actually written and stop promoting the falsehoods about God's Word that the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself warned us about.

As the Jesus of the Bible said, "The Truth shall set you free".

You keep insisting that it is "religions of this world" that I have drawn my knowledge from, but it's from reading the Bible myself and studying the historical background of the material. A simple question, if the golden calf incident followed the receiving of the 10 commandments, why was Moses absent from the assembly?

 

[Leaf473]

If you had actually read my post, and the scriptures contained therein, you would not have asked a question that my post already answers.

Okay, that's cool I'm just surprised that you would consider Phinehas' priesthood to be permanent.