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This was planned for a while. Before all this. And she wants to sleep separately for her space and because she doesn't want us to get comfortable and slide back into our old routine. She's given me no indication of how long this would last. She empathized that she knows it's difficult for me.

I feel like she's very emotional and confused and unsure about what to do and what will work.


Well that is better then, I was afraid it might wind up being another attempt to get closer that she wouldn't appreciate.

For now I would try to enjoy it the best you can. You have plenty of time to talk. And it is not like you don't know each other. If she starts to open up some during the trip maybe it will be a great connecting time.

If she is stand-offish the whole trip that may also tell you something about what is going on. I would go in hoping for the best.
 
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Yes, I'm aware that I'm very enthusiastic about Dr. whoever. It's because when I learned of his advise for my situation, I resisted it for years until out of desperation when there was almost nothing left of me, I finally took it. It worked exactly as he said it would. In retrospect, I could see it was the only solution that could have possibly worked.

Studying out his research and methods became a passion of mine. I had to understand the how/why etc etc. I also had to understand how they matched up with Scripture. Once I realized "if this is the answer, then how is it Scriptural?" I experienced a life changing epiphany when realizing the full counsel of Scripture applied to marriages, not just the love/respect verses.

I've been following his forums for years and can see that his advice, when applied, is literally **always** the right solution. It's uncanny, but then it's based on years and years of research on marital behavior, and more importantly, as I better understand now, on the full counsel of Scripture.

I'll post the information separately, in a moment.

I get that you are excited about what could be helpful information. It doesn't sound like he wants to buy in to the whole program yet. But perhaps if you can give some of the information on the specific point he was asking about it would be helpful to him and might give him something to think about regarding the program.
 
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I get that you are excited about what could be helpful information. It doesn't sound like he wants to buy in to the whole program yet. But perhaps if you can give some of the information on the specific point he was asking about it would be helpful to him and might give him something to think about regarding the program.

I think any further assistance from me was soundly rebuffed by the OP:

Yeah this really sounds like you have stock in this guy. I'm not interested.

I regretted spending the better part of my afternoon trying to help the OP after this response. I'll be working this evening on some of the work I should have been doing this afternoon.
 
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Well that is better then, I was afraid it might wind up being another attempt to get closer that she wouldn't appreciate.

For now I would try to enjoy it the best you can. You have plenty of time to talk. And it is not like you don't know each other. If she starts to open up some during the trip maybe it will be a great connecting time.

If she is stand-offish the whole trip that may also tell you something about what is going on. I would go in hoping for the best.

Thank you. I hope she's not standoffish the whole trip. That'd be horrible. I'm praying we bond. No. Discussion of the past just our future and us
 
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Your healing will begin when you know that for sure.

I'm sorry to say that the indications are that she is deeper into this affair than she is admitting.

The plan I mentioned has a procedure to flush out the truth, close the door on it and move on to the business of building your marriage into a better relationship than it was before.
It sounds like you have not fully healed from your experience in a similar situation and you are rehashing your frustrations on the OP relationship. Hearing something similar makes you relive your situation and almost feel the pain as if it was happening again.

It may be wise to fully heal yourself and come out of your emotional situation before trying to help someone else. Once you are fully forgiven, there is no more emotional attachments to it and no fear of it happening again. It makes you stronger, not weaker.
 
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In fairness, that is not all you said.
This is exactly what I said, in many ways....maybe it wasn't clear to you.


Yes, we rely on God in all things. On the other hand, simply saying that we are fine if our wife leaves, and we are happy for her (especially with a child involved?) No, I do not believe that.

If you truly cast your cares on Him, you don't worry about them anymore. The lord Giveth and the Lord TAKETH AWAY, but blessed be the name of the lord. You cant have any attachment to any outcome. you have to completely let go. The child will be well taken care.....because God is in control. And beside, it is far better for a child to grow in a loving environment with separated parents than in a hostile one if the two are forced to stay under one roof in disharmony.

Others should have no idea of your feelings regarding your "bedroom dancing." And being confident is not the same as letting God.
And unless you think God is going to override his spouse's will, she still has to decide what to do and to repent. And sometimes it may take pointing out spiritual truths in that process

Others will have feelings. He will be a changed Man, and it will show in his outward appearance. Im sure people can look at him now and know he feels bad inside. What would give you greater confidence than knowing that God is taking care of everything and is working it out for our good? Of course you would not tell anyone about your bedroom dancing.....but women will be lining up to find out......and guess what.....then his wife will be fighting for HiM! She will be chasing the girls away instead of the other way around like is being suggested here. His wife will be heartbroken when he accidentally falls asleep on the sofa instead of coming to the same bedroom in the same bed as her! When God does something....He does it Good! Be happy with yourself....and others will be happy with you as well.

But I'm all for trying to fix thing yourself first.
 
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It sounds like you have not fully healed from your experience in a similar situation and you are rehashing your frustrations on the OP relationship. Hearing something similar makes you relive your situation and almost feel the pain as if it was happening again.

It may be wise to fully heal yourself and come out of your emotional situation before trying to help someone else. Once you are fully forgiven, there is no more emotional attachments to it and no fear of it happening again. It makes you stronger, not weaker.

Thank you for reaching out, but this is truly not the case.

My situation was quite different from the OP's and is far enough in the past that I have stopped thinking about it with any frequency long ago.

Today my ex-husband and I have a very cordial and collaborative relationship. We collaborate on social celebrations and the kids are able to enjoy conflict-free, family events.

I am able to look back for lessons learned, however, and I can clearly see things I could have done that might have even saved my marriage. Further, I started an exhaustive study to analyze the mechanics of these situations, and the reasons for successes and failures. These things I have felt the urge, if not the burden, to share with other struggling brothers and sisters in Christ to save them some of the valleys I traveled.
 
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This is exactly what I said, in many ways....maybe it wasn't clear to you.




If you truly cast your cares on Him, you don't worry about them anymore. The lord Giveth and the Lord TAKETH AWAY, but blessed be the name of the lord. You cant have any attachment to any outcome. you have to completely let go. The child will be well taken care.....because God is in control. And beside, it is far better for a child to grow in a loving environment with separated parents than in a hostile one if the two are forced to stay under one roof in disharmony.



Others will have feelings. He will be a changed Man, and it will show in his outward appearance. Im sure people can look at him now and know he feels bad inside. What would give you greater confidence than knowing that God is taking care of everything and is working it out for our good? Of course you would not tell anyone about your bedroom dancing.....but women will be lining up to find out......and guess what.....then his wife will be fighting for HiM! She will be chasing the girls away instead of the other way around like is being suggested here. His wife will be heartbroken when he accidentally falls asleep on the sofa instead of coming to the same bedroom in the same bed as him! When God does something....He does it Good! Be happy with yourself....and others will be happy with you as well.

But I'm all for trying to fix thing yourself first.

You are right, total surrender is required.
 
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Thank you for reaching out, but this is truly not the case.

My situation was quite different from the OP's and is far enough in the past that I have stopped thinking about it with any frequency long ago.

Today my ex-husband and I have a very cordial and collaborative relationship. We collaborate on social celebrations and the kids are able to enjoy conflict-free, family events.
Great to hear your life turned out well....
Whether or not you got past it has little to do with how frequently you think about it. It is all about how you feel when you do think about it. When we forgive ourselves and the offending party......there are no more emotions associated with the thoughts of the situation. The freedom you feel after forgiveness is amazing as well.
 
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You are right, total surrender is required.
It is easier said than done.....Like I said, I did not do this......I hit rock bottom and wasted all my energy until I had none left. I couldn't stand on my own anymore......Then God picked me up and carried me.

It is also a possibility that you don't understand what I'm really saying but just think you do....like most people when it relates to passages in the bible.

The safest thing to do is acknowledge God in all your ways and let Him direct your path...... The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord.
 
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Scott, i do believe there is promising hope in all this. The promise really is through following direction of God's Word. Follow His direction in this. Dive deeply into devotion (Studying the Bible in multille chapters at a time over days to get an understanding - 30 minutes here, an hour there) Take Ephesians 5 in an open Bible into your prayer closet and seek God like never before.

This is how i see fighting for your wife looks:
1. Fight the enemy - not flesh and blood. How does that look? a. Spiritually, what is the Sword? That's God's Word. Write out passages from different parts of the gospel (within and around thd red lettering). Post it in different places in your house for YOU to read as reminder of your authority in Jesus Christ. (And i've done this.) Quote the Word, espcially those passages such as in Matthew 25, that tell of the devil's and his demons' ending. Speak out from the Word what they will not want to stick around and hear. And believe exactly what you quote. . Pray pray pray with Bible open. The more Word you have, the more equipped you are to confront the attacks of the enemy head-on. For the spiritual warfare of life period.

2. Put your foot DOWN with the one the enemy is using. That would be that old friend of hers. Your fighting is not against him but that doesn't mean you have no authority over how he will bring himself on the scene disrupting the house you gave God to build. Would you let him come litter in your yard? Would you let him take make from your mailbox? Would you let him spread gossip about you within your place of employment imposing a risk on your stability? Well, he's doing a worse violation. Guard what God has given you - your family. Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians and Revelation 2 absolutely do show how someone has to be outed (after attempts to remedy). Billboard? Idk. Thats up to you. Im more selective with who I'd tell and who i did tell. It wasnt public but it was effective concerning who i told. I stayed mainly within church who i told for accountability. Letting his spouse or girlfriend know is common but only if you have the mindset of going thjs distance. If you don't have the mindset, then don't do it, as resulting andd unexpected challenges may be involved. How much are you willing to take authority - non physically- is the question.
That's not the only way to put your foot down with this man. If you choose more quiet, subtle approach and take that desire to God, don't doubt that God will give you direction. Just be willing to do what God is telling you to do (of course you know that) even if it means aggressive authority. And if God moves on you to be still, then be still and study, pray, study, pray.

3. Deal wisely with your wife. And be gentle, heroic, cool, and calm while tending to your own business around the home, including continuing to be fatherly to your child. Think "gradual" and "longterm" outcome in this sense: Most efforts demonstrating true love toward her will be incredibly GRADUAL. Your efforts are not likely to yield overnight results. So build "brick by brick" some experiences for her to reflect on through time, without telling her that is what you're doing. (In fact, do NOT announce to her what you are doing or what you are going to do. Why? At the rate she's going, she may put her guard up to deliberately ignore you or rationalize something negative. Demons do communicate more aggressively when they've been on a role an somebody is trying to petition for God's intervention.)

Build experiences for her how?

a. If you have nothing to say on that road trip to Vegas tomorrow, play some playlists of soft, melodic music (whether worship or whether wedding songs) to instill into her memory bank for nostalgic purpose. Im old enough to know this to be effective. The possible longterm affect on her: Hearing that music will remind her of pleasant times with you. That takes time. If you want to build experiences for her to reflect upon, build with the attractive "bricks" that will give her fondness and appreciation for memories (sometime eventually becoming romantic memories). Not just the rough "bricks" of trust that she will relate only to a hard lesson learned. Play the same nice playlists when you are doing things around the house, in the yard, or wherever. Play them often. She'll hear them. And on her dullest days, the nostalgic memories will build for the times when she may be alone thinking when a song can come on and minister to her how special you really are. Create memories in a number of different ways subtly with not just music but with memorable dinners (together or not but maybe cooked by your hands), wonderful movies that any lustful scum couldn't bear to watch, and family photos that are priceless.

b. Again, do your business paying attention to other things at home. Without giving her too much space, there's still enough space given to her that will allow her to see you living your life contently with purpose while she can take notice from a far enough yet close enough distance. Put on a tank top, get sweaty working on a car or yard from time to time. Fix the car. Wash the car. Wash her car often and gradually (possibly) start looking like her hero. Mow the lawn. Pay attention to what you're doing and pay attention to activities with your daughter. Live your life with great contentment. She'll eventually notice but she'll probably say nothing about her noticing for a long time. But she will notice.

c. Look her calmly into her eyes when communicating to her. If she doesn't give you affection in such moments, it's up to you on whether you will give her affection. But if you give her only a slight pleasant smile at the close of such conversation and then walk away to do your own business, she will take notice and wonder where the affection is. Do that repeatedly and she will look for it at some point. Is that a game? No. Why? Because mystery is not always a game. Sometimes it's just necessary.

d. If you buy her flowers, for now, don't buy them to hand directly to her only to stand there anticipating a reaction of gratefulness from her. Leave such gifts in a vase on the table or credenza while she sleeps or something, and then go to work. Say nothing about them. And this is concerning any other moderate gift. This is a break-down method. Such gestures done periodically - not too often, not too rarely - help chip away at the walls that shutdown spouses have built up.

e. Again, listen to good sermons on your own without asking she listen. She'll overhear what you're listening to and begin to listen. But the speakers cant be your everyday messenger who is preaching watered down gospel. The true gospel preached will make a difference very likely. Only the true gospel can change a wayward heart.

f. Watch a good movie for your own encouragement. If she joins you, great. If she does not, enjoy. Fireproof (watching it multiple times can give a wonderful different message each time) War Room, etc.

g. Writing the letter Endeavorer is talking about is called a "no contact letter". When my husband expressed that he wanted to save his family, as a condition of me beginning to try reconciling, i had him write such a text in the form of an apology to his former mistress. Apologizing for playing with her head and to repeat exactly what he had told me - that he had only been using her. He did it immediately and very willingly, requesting to her that she not ever call him again and wording as he saw fit. I wanted it to be honorable approach insisting he apologize because im that type of person and cared seeing we ourselves have a daughter we wouldnt want used in such a way. So, if you express wishes she write a no contact letter, maintain genuine approach on how you'll express you want her to do this.

h. You seem to feel you shouldnt have to do tactics to "win her back". I know that feeling. Nobody should have to win back their spouse unless they were the ones who messed up.Thats why it is good to focus on your own advancement as a fit, gym-going man of God, while you navigate this journey discovering the greater man God called you to be. And one day, if comparing herself to you, she may come to see you as the better person and feel motivated to change.

i. Again, research post partum depression. Along with hormones, life itself has shifted and has become less spontaneous and adventurous, which she obviously likes. Now... It's more routine with feedings/diaper changes/housework/moving around/ and sex as a thing to do when you have time. That brings me to my final point...

j. Women like romance that includes sex, among other aspects of it that lead to those final sexually intimate moments with cap of of cuddling. Marital sex can often be so mechanical. A spouse maximizes the opportune moment while there's a chance before either getting quickly washed up for work or drift off to an immediate snoring sleep because of work within the next 8/less hours. Most married couples become familiar with the routine of sex within 2 years after vows are made. To communicate any understanding of that reality to your wife probably won't be as effective as letting her experience a marriage book, cd/online message, seminar, or class for Christians preferably when she is ready to inquire about true marital love. Or if you listen to messages (again within her earshot so as not to invite her to possibly feel pressured to hear), both Jimmy Evans of Marriage Today (marriagetoday.org) and Dr. Tony Evans (archives on oneplace.com) are honorable men of God who preach well on marriage. Dr. Evans' daughter is Priscilla Shire from WarRoom.

All of this is keeping an eye on her inconspicuously. Usually, when you busily don't pay attention to someone significant as a love interest within close proximity in order to fulfill other purpose, they take notice and start paying attention. I don't mean occupying yourself with idle stuff like video games. But doing purposeful things. Again, fixing the car or washing the car with a tank top on. Give her something to see.

How long will this go on? Probably until she grows up or snaps out of it.
 
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regretted spending the better part of my afternoon trying to help the OP after this response. I'll be working this evening on some of the work I should have been doing this afternoon.
Endeavorer, dont regret it. It's still resourceful information that's out there. Let your passion flow without it being fueled by anything. It's still resourceful for others who read the thread going through what i went through. I always look for articles. And that may not necessarily mean Scott wont need it in the futurd if someone needs his help. Truth be told, we go through these storms only to meet someone else who we can help with our testimony. He just may find future opportunty to refer someone who needs the resources.
 
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Great to hear your life turned out well....
Whether or not you got past it has little to do with how frequently you think about it. It is all about how you feel when you do think about it. When we forgive ourselves and the offending party......there are no more emotions associated with the thoughts of the situation. The freedom you feel after forgiveness is amazing as well.

So true.

My situation is long behind me. I am thrilled with the man I met and married some time later, and have no time or energy to spend reliving the past again. We have a marriage that is everything I dreamed a marriage could be.

The key in the Lord's healing of my heart was to put it out of my mind and into my past. Hebrews speaks of the root of bitterness resulting from an ongoing conflict, and once the conflict is removed, the bitterness can begin to heal. That certainly was the case for me.

I only speak of my situation upon occasion when helping others who are struggling, to make an illustration/lessons learned.

While my journey was very difficult at the time I traveled it, I wouldn't change anything about the person I am today, and my journey made me into that person.

I'm very passionate about warning someone when they are rushing headlong into a disaster that could be prevented, however. That passion is what was coming across in my posts.
 
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2. Put your foot DOWN with the one the enemy is using. That would be that old friend of hers. Your fighting is not against him but that doesn't mean you have no authority over how he will bring himself on the scene disrupting the house you gave God to build. Would you let him come litter in your yard? Would you let him take make from your mailbox? Would you let him spread gossip about you within your place of employment imposing a risk on your stability? Well, he's doing a worse violation. Guard what God has given you - your family. Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians and Revelation 2 absolutely do show how someone has to be outed (after attempts to remedy). Billboard? Idk. Thats up to you. Im more selective with who I'd tell and who i did tell. It wasnt public but it was effective concerning who i told. I stayed mainly within church who i told for accountability. Letting his spouse or girlfriend know is common but only if you have the mindset of going thjs distance. If you don't have the mindset, then don't do it, as resulting andd unexpected challenges may be involved. How much are you willing to take authority - non physically- is the question.
That's not the only way to put your foot down with this man. If you choose more quiet, subtle approach and take that desire to God, don't doubt that God will give you direction. Just be willing to do what God is telling you to do (of course you know that) even if it means aggressive authority. And if God moves on you to be still, then be still and study, pray, study, pray.

Beautifully said.

The billboard comment was tongue in cheek... although I've known people to take some pretty drastic and public measures when the other man does not get the message through more nuanced efforts.

In one case the husband exposed to the other man's family to no effect. He then exposed to his clergy - to no effect. He then exposed him on a cheater's web site - still to limited effect. His friends helped circulate the link all over, but still to not enough effect. He finally went to the affair partner's business to stand on the sidewalk and tell all of the other man's customers. That husband eventually made it so painful for the other man to continue pursuing his wife that the other man had not option but to stop. Techniques used just depend on how hard you are willing to fight for your family vs what it takes to run him off.

However, today that marriage is recovering from her affair and their children are reaping the benefits of an intact home and parents who are in crazy in love with each other. She looks back to see how he fought for her while she was conspiring with the other man against her husband in her affair fog, and it makes her love him even so much the more today. She is so grateful that he cared enough to fight for her.

In most cases the other man runs away with his tail between his legs once he is exposed to his family and paid a visit where he is told in a very firm way to get away from the family. Most men who pursue married women are actually cowards and it doesn't take much.
 
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I really need to know how to handle the fact that she wants space and we have been sleeping separately since Thursday. How long do I allow this to go on? It just seems like this is going to make us drift more apart not closer. I do not want to create a fight and drive her further away, but I feel like this is making us less married and less intimate. How can I get her to want us to sleep in the same bed? She said it's for her space and so we don't get comfortable and slip into old routines. Basically wants to make it uncomfortable so that we focus on rebuilding. I think it's a good idea but she's not said for how long. Should I choose my battles and focus on rekindling and maybe once that's off the ground she will be more open?

I just don't want it driving a further wedge between us.
 
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Well first glad to hear everything seems to have improved. Talking to an ex I'm not on board with at all. When my wife and I moved to the fiancee stage we agreed to remove any exs from facebook, email...etc. Even though we would not cheat, we still didn't want that temptation to be there simply because as a marriage goes on sometimes it can feel stale and people may start looking elsewhere for that spark that has gone out or dimmed.

If you make it past the first year of marriage, thats a really good thing. BUT if you can make it to the 7th year (the 7th inning stretch as baseball says) it will be the next test as to how things will go. I could do the typical shake my fist and be like "You married too young!" but it sounds like the two of you talked about already. Which is good. To many marry super early thinking they are ready for marriage and don't realize the effort put into it is IMMENSE. Even more when kids come along.

When it comes to the sleeping in separate beds things for now, I'm not really into that. Especially long term. Because it can just be "for now" but next thing you know a year has gone by. Although if you want to do it for a very short amount of time (like a week or so) maybe it will make you crave each other and you can slip off to the other bed and...you know.

As for things don't seem to be off to much off a start and your feeling paranoid, well no one can really tell you an answer because we don't know whats going on in your wifes heart. Maybe she is healing, maybe shes thinking of the other guy. No one really knows. Again not that you want to be paranoid of course. Though I would (maybe not at this time) share each others passwords/codes with each other for your email accounts, facebook, phones...etc. This way nothing is left hidden.

Again all contact needs to be cut with any exs, doesn't matter if she says "I told him to respect you" because there is zero reason to stay in contact with an ex. Because that person will always be someone she had a connection with. And connections can be used again in moments of weakness. Or if you really want to boil things down "Who is more important right now? Me or your ex?".

Now it should be pointed out the other person will probably be like "So you don't trust me and now you want my password?", but thats not what you are doing. This isn't done to go snooping on the other person. Its simply a trust exercise. If the person is willing to share passwords and what not, then no looking is needed because the fact they shared that info shows they have nothing to hide. If they don't want to share that info then its reason for concern. At least from what I've seen helping couples. I probably wouldn't do this thing just yet, wait and see how things go. If things seem to be going nowhere or going downhill maybe try it.

Hopefully the counseling will help alot. I believe nothing is impossible with Christ and I believe in never divorcing. Because being ok with it under "certain circumstances" means a seed will be planted in your head that will grow and sprout in moments of anger or pain.
 
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Thanks for a great response. This is similar to what God just revealed to me as what to do. Basically do not let it go on for long, but to focus on Him and focus on loving one another Gods way and meeting each other's needs. The sooner we can get back on track the sooner the separate beds will not be either of our desires.

I still don't know how long is too long. My wife had suggested we alternate week to week on the couch. But my response was that she doesn't need to go anywhere when I have the bed. I think the longest, absolute longest is 3 weeks, hopefully by then we have made some real strides in the right direction. Our counseling is next week since we are in Vegas this week.

Again, I am really praying that 1. She's healing while we are apart 2. We bond and connect these next few days 3. We feel progress. Because it's discouraging to have time pass and feel stuck and not reconnecting. I know it's really discouraging for her. I feel like I must put points on the board in terms of making an emotional connection and getting close to her. Making her feel loved and paid attention to.
 
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I also think sometimes that her coldness or distance is an emotional wall and safeguard that she's put up. Not necessarily that she's given up, but that she doesn't want to let her guard down and then send the message that this is t important to her.

If that is the case then my unconditional love that I am displaying and my personal investments in myself and my relationship with God will be seen and hopefully help her let down those guards.

Though I don't like that guy, I'm trying to not make it about him. He was a tool used by Satan and Satan was successful in that moment because of a giant gap in our marriage. Now we have to patch up that hole and make sure he doesn't try sticking his nose back in making the hole bigger or worse my wife doing so.
 
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I really need to know how to handle the fact that she wants space and we have been sleeping separately since Thursday. How long do I allow this to go on? It just seems like this is going to make us drift more apart not closer.

Thanks for a great response. This is similar to what God just revealed to me as what to do. Basically do not let it go on for long, but to focus on Him and focus on loving one another Gods way and meeting each other's needs. The sooner we can get back on track the sooner the separate beds will not be either of our desires.

I still don't know how long is too long. My wife had suggested we alternate week to week on the couch. But my response was that she doesn't need to go anywhere when I have the bed. I think the longest, absolute longest is 3 weeks, hopefully by then we have made some real strides in the right direction. Our counseling is next week since we are in Vegas this week.
I wouldn't be focusing on that--there are plenty of couples that sleep in separate rooms (for reasons like snoring or issues with chronic pain...etc) as a permanent solution and, because it DOES meet their needs of getting sound sleep and not being angry at one another, it doesn't negatively impact the marriage.....it's a positive. IOW....sleeping in separate beds =/= your bond is broken (or that you're distanced from each other).

Patience and understanding is a much more meaningful and long-lasting bond than any superficial (and by that I mean external only) behavior. Your mutual satisfaction should be the goal...both of you believing you're valued and loved for yourself is a much better goal to focus on (in my opinion).
 
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I hear you. That makes sense. I just don't know how to reattach the bond. I again have no idea how to gauge and steer our relationship to closer not further apart. We are having a great time so far in vegas, but eventually life will go back to normal. We still have spaces of silence where we don't say anything to each other. We are just walking together. Saying little things here and there. Other times we are very talkative and no prob. Idk I'm confused on what's normal and OK. I'm confused on how much time it'll take to rebuild everything. We are sleeping apart, not having sex and not kissing, (although at the rate of enjoyment of today, tomorrow we will get there as she's fully opened up finally) she doesn't miss me in bed with her, and I can't get it outta my head that she's not attracted to me.(and I'm pretty handsome guy, I'm not insecure whatsoever about my looks I know I'm not unattractive, so I wonder if it's a perception she has based on how I treat her. Maybe I'm too nice or something. Anyway) we started sleeping apart last Thursday so hasn't even been a week. I might be expecting a lot in a short time frame. Nonetheless, I'm not projecting this on her because I'm just focusing on our bond and connection and patience.
 
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