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Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?

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Just one little thing to keep in mind when arguing with SDA's:

Ellen G. White, the Prophet. Many rank-and-file SDA members deny that their organization any longer decrees Ellen G. White a God-inspired prophet. Yet in SDA official publications, the SDA church continues to defend Ellen White legends, and maintain there was no difference in the degree of inspiration she received from that received by Bible writers (Review & Herald, 4 October 1928, p. 11; "Source of Final Appeal," Adventist Review, 3 June 1971, pp. 4–6; G. A. Irwin, Mark of the Beast, p. 1; "The Inspiration and Authority of the Ellen G. White Writings," Adventist Review, 15 July 1982, p. 3; Ministry, October 1981, p. 8 (5); see also, Judged by the Gospel, pp. 125–130). And in the SDA June 2000, General Conference, the church voted to more aggressively affirm and support the "Spirit of Prophecy through the ministry of Ellen White" (Adventist Today, [online: July 2000]).

This is just to say that the whole Ellen White thing is a controversy even inside the SDA church.

This thread is not about Ellen White or why SDA's are right or wrong. It is about the Sabbath, the Ten Commandments, and there relevency to each other in this day and age. We are all just stating opinions we get from our understanding of the Bible. If someone agrees with something Ellen White said, they'd better have Bible to back it up, otherwise, leave it out. If you don't agree with anything Ellen White said, then lets leave her out of it.
 
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Hi gypsy bella

All sda doctrine is centered on the Spirit of prophecy, Scape Goat doctrine, Investigative judgment doctrine, Sabbath doctrine, soul sleep doctrine Shut door doctrine,

To disprove the claims you must disprove the source, And that source is not the bible,

Even though you are correct in the inner denominational controversy over EGW what else is true is that SDA pastors must teach her doctrines using the Bible as front to promote what SDA's call the present truth, That means this truth did not exist before,

So it is not in the bible,

2pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

So what is it's source??? SDA's try to hide that source, Find an SDA that is a traditonalist or has such leanings and show them you have an interest in Ellen White and see just how fast the bible goes up on the shelf and all instruction is done out of the Spirit of Prophecy,

To discuss any thing Adventist with out discussing Ellen White is like discussing Islam with out discussing Mohammad, She is that central to their belief structure,

As to SDA pastors who will not participate in the deception of teaching the Doctrines of Ellen White with out really saying where they come from they usually wind up ex SDA pastors with anti SDA websites on the net trying to warn people about the true nature of the SDA religion, And there are lots of them

yours in Christ
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Hi gypsy bella

GypsyBella said:
Ha ha ha! Okay, deu58, you win with a good argument...

Let the EGW debate continue... :wave:

It was not my intent to win sister only to explain my reason for why I debate the way I do with the SDA's

On more than a few threads people who do not know the SDA scratch their heads trying to understand where they are coming from with their arguments,

Also for those new to Christ who may be drawn toward Adventism that there is an unseen side to Adventism that they should investigate befpre making any commitment towards Joining with SDA church,

For any one who has all the information and has made a clear and conscious choice to join the SDA church may they go with God and grow in him daily

yours in Christ
deu 58:wave: back at you!
 
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All sda doctrine is centered on the Spirit of prophecy, Scape Goat doctrine, Investigative judgment doctrine, Sabbath doctrine, soul sleep doctrine Shut door doctrine,

That is an outright lie. No doctrine at all is based on the SOP. I am an SDA, I should know. If I want to find the truth about the RCC, where do I go? I go to the RCC and ask them. Whether I agree with them or not, I may not agree with them but that is my opinion.

We do not base our doctrines on the SOP (EGW).
 
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Hi cliff

Cliff2 said:


That is an outright lie. No doctrine at all is based on the SOP. I am an SDA, I should know. If I want to find the truth about the RCC, where do I go? I go to the RCC and ask them. Whether I agree with them or not, I may not agree with them but that is my opinion.

We do not base our doctrines on the SOP (EGW).

If I am lying then it is very easy to disprove what I have said, All you have to do is show from the bible that the Sabbath became a test for all true believers in 1844, And then explain from the Word of God why it was not a test for any Christian believer before 1844, why was it ok to worship on Sunday before 1844 but not after????? Start a thread on it and let me know what forum it is in because I do not think that you can start a thread like that in the Christians only section, Start it and I will be there,

yours in Christ
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Every day is the sabbath day. You need to remember God.

5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?


6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
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deu58 said:
Hi cliff



If I am lying then it is very easy to disprove what I have said, All you have to do is show from the bible that the Sabbath became a test for all true believers in 1844, And then explain from the Word of God why it was not a test for any Christian believer before 1844, why was it ok to worship on Sunday before 1844 but not after????? Start a thread on it and let me know what forum it is in because I do not think that you can start a thread like that in the Christians only section, Start it and I will be there,

yours in Christ
deu58

To start with there were no Seventh-day Adventists in 1844, they were Methodists, Church of England, and many other religions, just too many to name.

Who said it was OK to keep the first day of the week before 1844?

Sin only becomes sin as it is pointed out to a person. The Sabbath was not accepted by every "Millerite" after 1844.
 
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Hi cliff

Cliff2 said:
To start with there were no Seventh-day Adventists in 1844, they were Methodists, Church of England, and many other religions, just too many to name.

Who said it was OK to keep the first day of the week before 1844?

Sin only becomes sin as it is pointed out to a person. The Sabbath was not accepted by every "Millerite" after 1844.

The SDA church became incorporated in 1863, But they still referred to to themselves as Adventists prior to that date, What do you mean they had no light??? You mean there were no Bibles Prior to 1844??? Where in the Bible is it stated that the Sabbath would eventually or ever become a test for believers???

How could it have not been a test for 1844 years and then all of a sudden everybody has to now keep it and yet this is not in the bible it self that the Sabbath would ever be used as test to separate true and false Christians,

According to ypur prophetess there was no condemnation on those before 1844 who did not keep the Sabbath, Thus it was not a factor at all untill her vision, Thus it was permitted by God. At least until 1844, That is why I said before that time it was ok.

yours in Christ
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Hi God Child

God Child said:
Every day is the sabbath day. You need to remember God.

5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?


6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

A very happy birthday to you!!!!!:clap:

And I hope you are truly enjoying and celebrating this day in the Lord,

yours in Christ
deu 58
 
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This is a little long, but these are the some of the 27 fundamental beliefs of SDA's:

1. The Holy Scriptures:
The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)

3. The Father:
God the eternal Father is the Creator, Source, Sustainer, and Sovereign of all creation. He is just and holy, merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. The qualities and powers exhibited in the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revelations of the Father. (Gen. 1:1; Rev. 4:11; 1 Cor. 15:28; John 3:16; 1 John 4:8; 1 Tim. 1:17; Ex. 34:6, 7; John 14:9.)

4. The Son:
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God. By His miracles He manifested God's power and was attested as God's promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to minister in the heavenly sanctuary in our behalf. He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things. (John 1:1-3, 14; Col. 1:15-19; John 10:30; 14:9; Rom. 6:23; 2 Cor. 5:17-19; John 5:22; Luke 1:35; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 2:9-18; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; Heb. 8:1, 2; John 14:1-3.)

5. The Holy Spirit:
God the eternal Spirit was active with the Father and the Son in Creation, incarnation, and redemption. He inspired the writers of Scripture. He filled Christ's life with power. He draws and convicts human beings; and those who respond He renews and transforms into the image of God. Sent by the Father and the Son to be always with His children, He extends spiritual gifts to the church, empowers it to bear witness to Christ, and in harmony with the Scriptures leads it into all truth. (Gen. 1:1, 2; Luke 1:35; 4:18; Acts 10:38; 2 Peter 1:21; 2 Cor. 3:18; Eph. 4:11, 12; Acts 1:8; John 14:16-18, 26; 15:26, 27; 16:7-13.)

8. The Great Controversy:
All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. This conflict originated in heaven when a created being, endowed with freedom of choice, in self-exaltation became Satan, God's adversary, and led into rebellion a portion of the angels. He introduced the spirit of rebellion into this world when he led Adam and Eve into sin. This human sin resulted in the distortion of the image of God in humanity, the disordering of the created world, and its eventual devastation at the time of the worldwide flood. Observed by the whole creation, this world became the arena of the universal conflict, out of which the God of love will ultimately be vindicated. To assist His people in this controversy, Christ sends the Holy Spirit and the loyal angels to guide, protect, and sustain them in the way of salvation. (Rev. 12:4-9; Isa. 14:12-14; Eze. 28:12-18; Gen. 3; Rom. 1:19-32; 5:12-21; 8:19-22; Gen. 6-8; 2 Peter 3:6; 1 Cor. 4:9; Heb. 1:14.)

9. The Life, Death, and Resurrection of Christ:
In Christ's life of perfect obedience to God's will, His suffering, death, and resurrection, God provided the only means of atonement for human sin, so that those who by faith accept this atonement may have eternal life, and the whole creation may better understand the infinite and holy love of the Creator. This perfect atonement vindicates the righteousness of God's law and the graciousness of His character; for it both condemns our sin and provides for our forgiveness. The death of Christ is substitutionary and expiatory, reconciling and transforming. The resurrection of Christ proclaims God's triumph over the forces of evil, and for those who accept the atonement assures their final victory over sin and death. It declares the Lordship of Jesus Christ, before whom every knee in heaven and on earth will bow. (John 3:16; Isa. 53; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4, 20-22; 2 Cor. 5:14, 15, 19-21; Rom. 1:4; 3:25; 4:25; 8:3, 4; 1 John 2:2; 4:10; Col. 2:15; Phil. 2:6-11.)

10. The Experience of Salvation:
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Lord and Christ, as Substitute and Example. This faith which receives salvation comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God's grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God's sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God's law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (2 Cor. 5:17-21; John 3:16; Gal. 1:4; 4:4-7; Titus 3:3-7; John 16:8; Gal. 3:13, 14; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; Rom. 10:17; Luke 17:5; Mark 9:23, 24; Eph. 2:5-10; Rom. 3:21-26; Col. 1:13, 14; Rom. 8:14-17; Gal. 3:26; John 3:3-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Rom. 12:2; Heb. 8:7-12; Eze. 36:25-27; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rom. 8:1-4; 5:6-10.)

16. Spiritual Gifts and Ministries:
God bestows upon all members of His church in every age spiritual gifts which each member is to employ in loving ministry for the common good of the church and of humanity. Given by the agency of the Holy Spirit, who apportions to each member as He wills, the gifts provide all abilities and ministries needed by the church to fulfill its divinely ordained functions. According to the Scriptures, these gifts include such ministries as faith, healing, prophecy, proclamation, teaching, administration, reconciliation, compassion, and self-sacrificing service and charity for the help and encouragement of people. Some members are called of God and endowed by the Spirit for functions recognized by the church in pastoral, evangelistic, apostolic, and teaching ministries particularly needed to equip the members for service, to build up the church to spiritual maturity, and to foster unity of the faith and knowledge of God. When members employ these spiritual gifts as faithful stewards of God's varied grace, the church is protected from the destructive influence of false doctrine, grows with a growth that is from God, and is built up in faith and love. (Rom. 12:4-8; 1 Cor. 12:9-11, 27, 28; Eph. 4:8, 11-16; Acts 6:1-7; 1 Tim. 3:1-13; 1 Peter 4:10, 11.)

17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

18. The Law of God:
The great principles of God's law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God's love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age. These precepts are the basis of God's covenant with His people and the standard in God's judgment. Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments. This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is an evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow men. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness. (Ex. 20:1-17; Ps. 40:7, 8; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 28:1-14; Matt. 5:17-20; Heb. 8:8-10; John 15:7-10; Eph. 2:8-10; 1 John 5:3; Rom. 8:3, 4; Ps. 19:7-14.)

19. The Sabbath:
The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God's unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God's creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)

23. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

24. The Second Coming of Christ:
The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour's coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ's coming is imminent. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Matt. 24:14; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:43, 44; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Rev. 14:14-20; 19:11-21; Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:1-6.)

25. Death and Resurrection:
The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)

26. The Millennium and the End of Sin:
The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)

27. The New Earth:
On the new earth, in which righteousness dwells, God will provide an eternal home for the redeemed and a perfect environment for everlasting life, love, joy, and learning in His presence. For here God Himself will dwell with His people, and suffering and death will have passed away. The great controversy will be ended, and sin will be no more. All things, animate and inanimate, will declare that God is love; and He shall reign forever. Amen. (2 Peter 3:13; Isa. 35; 65:17-25; Matt. 5:5; Rev. 21:1-7; 22:1-5; 11:15.)

These are only some... to to read them all you can go to http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html.

I chose these because they are areas of debate I've seen between SDA's and others.
 
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Cliff2, don't freak out. Lemme esplain:

Some I included to show that SDA's don't have any freaky ideas about Michael the archangel being Jesus or any of that bunk. Beyond that, I included the ones that spoke of the Sabbath, the Gift of Prophecy, and the end times, which were topics already being discussed in this thread WITHOUT ME.

Thank you.
 
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Just like Cain and Abel, God accepts true worship, he accepted Abels offering because it was done the way God wanted not the way man wanted, like Cain...Sunday worship is a commandment of man...The Catholic church by their own admission changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday thus a commandment of men...Matthew 15-9 says for in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....your worship is in vain if you worship not according to Gods commandments...and also you are honoring the one you do obey(the RCC) remember whom ye obey is whom ye serve....oh by the way The Seventh Day Adventist Church says this about Ellen Whites writtings....Are they above the bible,NO! Are they equal to the bible,NO! Are they subject to the bible,Yes!
 
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pablosrun, you made an excellent summary... good post!

and...

pablosrun said:
Are they above the bible,NO! Are they equal to the bible,NO! Are they subject to the bible,Yes!

This is the only teaching I have heard from SDA's. I've never met one who TEACHES Ellen White as they would teach scripture... only ones that will quote Ellen White, just like someone would quote Martin Luther or even C.S. Lewis.
 
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Hello Pablosrun
The Seventh Day Adventist Church says this about Ellen Whites writtings....Are they above the bible,NO! Are they equal to the bible,NO! Are they subject to the bible,Yes!

Your Prophetess and church leaders disagree with you



"The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the Spirit of Prophecy."
{Selected Messages,Vol.3 p.30}

"These books contain clear ,straight, unalterable truth and they should be certainly appreciated The instruction they contain is not of human production" {Letter h-339,Dec 26,1904}

"I beg of you for Christ sake to consider what I say :for I say it not of myself. It is the word of God to you" {Letter 25b, 1895,pp 1-3 to Brother and Sister Hare, April 1895}


“Yet, now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You thereby insulted the Spirit of God Testimonies 5, p.64.

E.G. White is making a claim of infallibility for her Testimonies and anyone that would question them, "thereby insulted the Spirit of God."

“In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision--the precious rays of light shining from the throne.”
Testimonies 5
p. 67.


“If you seek to turn aside the counsel of God to suit yourselves, if you lessen the confidence of God’s people in the testimonies He has sent them, you are rebelling against God as were Korah, Dathan, and Abriam.” Testimonies 5 p. 66.

E.G. White compares herself to Moses, when Korah, Dathan, Abriam and others rebelled against the leadership of Moses, God destroyed them. Numbers 16. EGW was always putting the fear of God in those that would rebel against her testimonies.

"God does nothing in partnership with Satan. My work for the past thirty years bears the stamp of God or the stamp of the enemy. There is no halfway work in the matter. The Testimonies are of the Spirit of God, or of the devil. In arraying yourself against the servants of God you are doing a work either for God or for the devil.” Testimonies 4, p. 230.

She does not mention anything about them from being from somebody else's writings

“In my books, the truth is stated, barricaded by a ‘Thus saith the Lord.’ The Holy Spirit traced these truths upon my heart and mind as indelibly as the law was traced by the finger of God upon the tables of stone.” Letter 90, 1906

Ellen considered her books as infallible as the Ten Commandments and she compared them both as written by the finger of God.


EGW: “In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There never was a time when God instructed His people more earnestly then He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.” Testimonies 4 p. 147 and in Testimonies 5 p. 661 (1876)





Selected Messages Book 3, page 31, paragraph 4

Chapter Title: The Primacy of the Word

Ellen White Enabled to Clearly Define Truth and Error.--

At that time [after the 1844 disappointment] one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scriptures with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds. Sometimes whole nights would be devoted to searching the Scriptures and earnestly asking God for guidance. Companies of devoted


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men and women assembled for this purpose. The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error.

Selected Messages Book 3, page 32, paragraph 1

Chapter Title: The Primacy of the Word

As the points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays.-- Gospel Works, p. 302.



I was shown that the truth once published now, will stand, for it is the truth for the last days; it will live, and less need be said upon it in future. Numberless words need not be put upon paper to justify what speaks for itself and shines in its clearness. Truth is straight, plain, clear, and stands out boldly in its own defense; but it is not so with error. It is so winding and twisting that it needs a multitude of words to explain it in its crooked form--Early Writings, p. 96. (1853.)

What have the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church through the years claimed for the writings of Ellen G. White?

On February 7, 1887, the General Conference passed the following resolution -- “That we re-affirm our binding confidence in the Testimonies of Sister White to the Church, as the teaching of the Spirit of God.”
SDA Year Book for 1914,
p. 253.




“Our position on the Testimonies is like the key-stone to the arch. Take that out and there is no logical stopping-place till all the special truths of the Message are gone...Nothing is surer than this, that the Message and visions (of Mrs. White) belong together, and stand or fall together.”
Review and Herald Supplement,
August 14, 1883.




“It is from the standpoint of the light that has come through the Spirit of Prophecy that the question will be considered, believing as we do that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is the Christ, through this agency, giving real meaning of his own words
G. A. Irwin, General Conference President, from the tract The Mark of the Beast, p. 1.


“As with ancient prophets, the talking is done by the Holy Spirit through her vocal organs. The prophets spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” Review and Herald, Oct. 5, 1914.


yours in Christ
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pablosrun said:
Just like Cain and Abel, God accepts true worship, he accepted Abels offering because it was done the way God wanted not the way man wanted, like Cain...Sunday worship is a commandment of man...The Catholic church by their own admission changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday thus a commandment of men...Matthew 15-9 says for in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....your worship is in vain if you worship not according to Gods commandments...and also you are honoring the one you do obey(the RCC) remember whom ye obey is whom ye serve....oh by the way The Seventh Day Adventist Church says this about Ellen Whites writtings....Are they above the bible,NO! Are they equal to the bible,NO! Are they subject to the bible,Yes!

Correct, read Is. 8:20
20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

That is what we go by.

Do prophets make mistakes?

Sure do, look at Nathan.
2 Samuel 7:3
Nathan replied to the king, "Whatever you have in mind, go ahead and do it, for the LORD is with you."

Then Nathan had to come and tell david he was not to build the temple.

David was a prophet and made many mistakes.

If we were as hard on David and many of the Old Testament prophets as we are on modern day prophets we would get rid of many passages in the Bible.
 
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Hi Cliff

Then Nathan had to come and tell david he was not to build the temple.

David was a prophet and made many mistakes.

If we were as hard on David and many of the Old Testament prophets as we are on modern day prophets we would get rid of many passages in the Bible.

I see you mention modern day prophets plural, Do you mean to say that Joseph Smith and Marry Baker Eddy were prophets of God to?????

Nathan made the mistake of speaking before he consulted the Lord, The types of mistakes we see in the lives of the OT prophets were mistakes of the flesh not errors in their prophecies, Big difference there,

De 18:22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.

we have no reason to fear the visions, dreams, prophecies or judgments of your prophetess, Jean Dixon has a better track record than Ellen White,

yours in Christ
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deu58 said:
Hi Cliff



I see you mention modern day prophets plural, Do you mean to say that Joseph Smith and Marry Baker Eddy were prophets of God to?????

Nathan made the mistake of speaking before he consulted the Lord, The types of mistakes we see in the lives of the OT prophets were mistakes of the flesh not errors in their prophecies, Big difference there,

De 18:22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.

we have no reason to fear the visions, dreams, prophecies or judgments of your prophetess, Jean Dixon has a better track record than Ellen White,

yours in Christ
deu 58

This is what the thread is about. If you want to go outside of the topic then I suggest you start a new thread.

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=15253718#post15253718
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=15253718#post15253718
 
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deu58 said:
I see you mention modern day prophets plural, Do you mean to say that Joseph Smith and Marry Baker Eddy were prophets of God to?????

Where did these names come from? They have nothing to do with SDA's. If you think SDA's are a cult, so be it. Just please keep it in context.

Dictionary.com gives two definitions of prophet:
  1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
  2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
Maybe the latter can be kept in mind when someone uses the word prophet.

Also from Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary: The foretelling of future events
was not a necessary but only an incidental part of the prophetic office. The
great task assigned to the prophets whom God raised up among the people was "to correct moral and religious abuses, to proclaim the great moral and religious truths which are connected with the character of God, and which lie at the foundation of his government." Any one being a spokesman for God to man might thus be called a prophet.

One more quick thing: If we're gonna discuss the theology of a certain denomination in regard to the Sabbath, okay... but this is going too far. Can we PLEASE start a new thread before the mods shut us down for hi-jacking?
 
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