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holo said:What's the point of having the ten commandments on school walls anyway? Letting people go to hell with good morals?
holo said:We see things differently, and Jesus is the Shepherd of all of us.
I don't even really know what this thread is about anymore, hehe, I'm just so happy nowadays that I've started to realize what grace is all about, that when I see something that may slightly resemble legalism, I kinda freak out.
And when I did a search for "law" and "faith" on www.biblegateway.com, I couldn't help but rejoice and cut and paste a lot (to the disappointment of anyone who would think I know the bible by heart).
For example, http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10
I may be over the top, but so is Jesus, and good news is never out of style.
Bless you all.
holo said:We see things differently, and Jesus is the Shepherd of all of us.
I don't even really know what this thread is about anymore, hehe, I'm just so happy nowadays that I've started to realize what grace is all about, that when I see something that may slightly resemble legalism, I kinda freak out.
And when I did a search for "law" and "faith" on www.biblegateway.com, I couldn't help but rejoice and cut and paste a lot (to the disappointment of anyone who would think I know the bible by heart).
For example, http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10search=faith&wholewordsonly=yes&version1=31&bookset=10
I may be over the top, but so is Jesus, and good news is never out of style.
Bless you all.
Cliff2 said:No need to freak out as law and grace go together. Just like a hand in a glove.
Pablosrun I guessed you missed my earlier post where I said if you read this verse in context (read verse 6) then that would mean we are perfect and never sin which means if we do sin then we aren't christians.pablosrun said:If you do away with the law (10 commandments) you do away with sin, Because 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law, therfore no law, no sin....
Thanks my I'm feeling much better now although last night my wife was seriously thinking about calling an ambulance for me at one stage.GypsyBella said:First and foremost, I hope your head feels better.
Woohoo! we agree!GypsyBella said:I know what you mean about the crosswalk thing... I often hear that about going the speed limit... Yeah, I agree that we shouldn't force our beliefs on anybody, but I also think that it's important to share your beliefs (with scriptural references) with others. I suppose delivery is the key.
Not every country has the start of the week being sunday. In countries that they traditionally do consider sunday to be the start of the week alot of people and places tare treating monday as the start of the week and their calenders reflect that. As I said earlier (and I know alot disagree with me on this) but I consider that you can choose which day you make the sabbath and you should keep that day holy. I don't think it bothers God at all. Of course our lives should be a sacrifice to God and we should be praising him always as well.GypsyBella said:I find myself having to apologize for the behavior of other SDA's quite often... ha ha ha! Actually, I probably argue with SDA's more often than non-SDA's do. The Bible doesn't say anything about what day to worship on. It says what day to rest on. As far as the calendar is concerned, no matter how months and years were divided, there have always been seven days in the week. Even the Jewish people of today recognize that. God told us to remember that seventh day. That's why I do it. I find it hard to believe that God would ask us to remember something that we can't figure out in the first place.
I agree we shouldn't go into what instruments are ok to use. The person who said that to me also gave me & my mum a video tape to watch to back up her view. The tape also said we shouldn't listen to rock music. It was interesting having her living with us for several months (although it was also good cause she insisted on doing the dishes every night as a way of paying for staying at our house).GypsyBella said:Regarding the organ music... geez... I don't even wanna go there... my husband and I play guitar at church a lot. I mean seriously... what did people do before the organ?
In several places Paul says this is I talking not the Lord or he says not I but the Lord says. This shows in places he does offer his own opinions but in places where it is the Lord then that would make them commands (or commandments). I agree Paul was writing to certain situations but I often see those kinds of situations and think we should take the principal mentioned in Pauls letter and apply that to our situation. I must also confess I was seeing if I could get a rise from anyone by mentioning the verse that says women should cover their heads. I believe their is an underlying principle in that passage of respect and submission which we should follow. I don't think it is to be taken literally. If you want to see further opinions of mine on that passage go to the Mens Corner forum and look at thread titled Women should wear a hat to church.GypsyBella said:Okay... and on to the next text (we're getting really good at carrying on multiple conversations at once, huh?). Were the instructions that Paul gave actually "laws"? Or suggestions? In most places I find that Paul writes in the best interest of who he is writing to. In one place he writes that it is better not to marry, and in another we read that it is better to marry than to burn with lust. They aren't contradictory... they are just written to different people in different situations. What do you think?
If you do away with the law (10 commandments) you do away with sin, Because 1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law, therfore no law, no sin....
Oblio said:For one thing, even if we were to live a sinless life, we would still die. Without a Saviour, we remain separated from God, and are corruptible.
Oblio said:Did Christ sin ?
Did He die on the Cross ?
Oblio said:Did Christ sin ?
Did He die on the Cross ?
Cliff2 said:Of course I am not talking Christ, He was sinless. He never sinned in thought, word or deed.
Christ did die on the cross for sinners. It was because of this gift we can have eternal life.
I do not really understand your post.
Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?
BrightCandle said:It has been amusing to me, here in the United States, regarding all the recent concern that Christian judges, churches, and organizations have regarding the removal of various historic monuments of the Ten Commandments in public places, like court houses, capital buildings, parks, etc., etc., while the majority of Christians in favor of the their not being removed are not keeping the 4th Commandment [7th day Sabbath]. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), could easily point out this inconsistency to the embarassment of those Christians calling for the Ten Commandments to not be removed on the grounds that their visibility in public places will discourage lawlessness, while the very same Christians are being "lawless" by breaking the 4th Commandment.
As you can see we have an exhortation to gather together, We have instructions from the Lord to keep the Eucharist, We have exhortations from Paul to keep our worship services pure,
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