why have Neo Nazis become totally obsessed with killing all the Jews in the world now? because

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"Law and order" political discourse being a prime example of advocating violence to solve perceived social problems. The current president is the perfect example of this. Just because it's the State enacting that violence, doesn't make it any less violent.

And that's not even touching on the inherent violence implied in any kind of white nationalism, which has gained traction on the Right in the past decades.

So your answer seems to me to be that your source is a leftist stereotype of conservatives as "The Right".
 
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I think it's because irrationality and force go hand in hand, you don't have one without the other, and Nazism is certainly irrational. Irrationality is at the root of all evils in the world. The Nazis were and are explicitly anti-reason and anti-conceptual. That can only lead to tribalism and violence.
 
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As the late Richard Rorty pointed out, a just society doesn't have to tolerate the intolerant. People that believe in a world free of Jews, gays, or blacks are not people whose views must be tolerated unchallenged.

Do you think hitler wasnt the first nazi?
 
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I think it's because irrationality and force go hand in hand, you don't have one without the other, and Nazism is certainly irrational. Irrationality is at the root of all evils in the world.

I reject that Objectivist argument as an example of Ayn Rand’s moral bankruptcy. Rather, the root of all evil is the scarcity of resources, which our Lord summarized for his followers, who were mostly not well trained in the science of Economics, as money, since money is of course the nominal representation of scarce resources in a society.

In the case of the Nazis, perceived and actual scarcities were directly responsible for their long term objectives, and their strategic military actions, respectively, not to mention their atrocities. The whole point of the war was to secure lebensraum, based on a perceived shortage of land resources; the premise of the Holocaust and other barbarities, was that Jews, physically disabled people, dissidents, hardcore Christians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others deemed unproductive or undesirable wasted resources, and these perceived wasted resources were seen as justification for exterminating these populations.

It was not a question of rationality or irrationality, indeed, even today one can find people making arguments in favor of rationing healthcare based on the likelihood of the patient to recover and be productive in society, and the promotion of “euthanasia” and “assisted suicide”, which is to say, murder, for elderly people who have serious illnesses. One could make a case that providing expensive medical treatments to elderly people is irrational, and one might be logically correct, in the abstract, but one would be morally repugnant for advancing such an idea; Christian morality requires that we sometimes embrace a course of action which is not strictly logical or rational based on secular criteria, because of our moral obligation to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Likewise, the Nazis made, for the most part, rational decisions concerning their overall war plans based on resource constraints. The invasion of Romania and Southeastern Europe, for example, was a tactical imperative, in order to ensure access to vital supplies of petroleum, needed to fuel the vast war machine of the Third Reich. The worst decision the Nazis made, Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Sovietsky Soyuza, was again driven not by insanity but rather by the underlying concerns over lebensraum, over the scarcity of land and agricultural resources, and an anger over the use of those resources by Slavic people that Nazi scientists had, based on 1930s ideas of eugenics, concluded were inherently inferior to the Germanic people. So we see a reduction in rationality with this decision, but the decision was still nominally rational within the context of the irrational Nazi system of thought, which was irrational chiefly because it was predicated on a fear of the depletion of arable land and natural resources and the exclusion of Germans from access to those resources. Many of these concerns we have since learned were not unfounded, but what made the Nazis evil was their willingness to pursue what to them were rational decisions, based on resource scarcity, whereas Christians are taught to disregard the scarcity of resources and trust in God to provide, which to many people even today, would seem ridiculous.

Now, to be clear, I am not accusing Ayn Rand, a celebrated female Jewish author, of being a Nazi, because that would be stupid and untrue. Rather, I am rejecting the Objectivist precept that irrationality is the root of all evil, and reasserting the Christian doctrine that it is money, the constituent tokens of which, while usually devoid of any substantial value in and of themselves, represent access to the scarce resources of society, which forms the root of all evil, and Christianity responds by dictating an approach to money which is not rational according to secular logic, but which can be justified only in the context of our apostolic patrimony of revealed and experiential theology.
 
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I reject that Objectivist argument as an example of Ayn Rand’s moral bankruptcy. Rather, the root of all evil is the scarcity of resources, which our Lord summarized for his followers, who were mostly not well trained in the science of Economics, as money, since money is of course the nominal representation of scarce resources in a society.

What moral bankruptcy? If you reject the Objective theory of ethics then you reject the moral principle that the initiation of force is always evil. Clearly, the Nazis held a philosophy that sanctioned the initiation of force. Is this not irrational? Clearly, the bible also sanctions the initiation of force. So the Bible and the Nazis both sanction the initiation of force whereas Objectivism does not and forbids it.

In the case of the Nazis, perceived and actual scarcities were directly responsible for their long term objectives, and their strategic military actions, respectively, not to mention their atrocities. The whole point of the war was to secure lebensraum, based on a perceived shortage of land resources; the premise of the Holocaust and other barbarities, was that Jews, physically disabled people, dissidents, hardcore Christians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others deemed unproductive or undesirable wasted resources, and these perceived wasted resources were seen as justification for exterminating these populations.
Yes the Nazis were collectivists, another irrational view. And they sanctioned the use of force to take what they wanted and needed instead of the rational alternative of mutual trade. All very irrational.


It was not a question of rationality or irrationality, indeed, even today one can find people making arguments in favor of rationing healthcare based on the likelihood of the patient to recover and be productive in society, and the promotion of “euthanasia” and “assisted suicide”, which is to say, murder, for elderly people who have serious illnesses. One could make a case that providing expensive medical treatments to elderly people is irrational, and one might be logically correct, in the abstract, but one would be morally repugnant for advancing such an idea; Christian morality requires that we sometimes embrace a course of action which is not strictly logical or rational based on secular criteria, because of our moral obligation to love our neighbor as ourselves.
Yes a collectivist would look at individuals as sacrifices to the good of the collective. How is that rational? Resources are not owned by collectives but by individuals and they have to be produced or discovered and mined. But collectivism is not rational because it rejects the principle of individual rights and places the standard of the good in the group. This completely ignores man's individualistic nature.

Likewise, the Nazis made, for the most part, rational decisions concerning their overall war plans based on resource constraints. The invasion of Romania and Southeastern Europe, for example, was a tactical imperative, in order to ensure access to vital supplies of petroleum, needed to fuel the vast war machine of the Third Reich. The worst decision the Nazis made, Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Sovietsky Soyuza, was again driven not by insanity but rather by the underlying concerns over lebensraum, over the scarcity of land and agricultural resources, and an anger over the use of those resources by Slavic people that Nazi scientists had, based on 1930s ideas of eugenics, concluded were inherently inferior to the Germanic people. So we see a reduction in rationality with this decision, but the decision was still nominally rational within the context of the irrational Nazi system of thought, which was irrational chiefly because it was predicated on a fear of the depletion of arable land and natural resources and the exclusion of Germans from access to those resources. Many of these concerns we have since learned were not unfounded, but what made the Nazis evil was their willingness to pursue what to them were rational decisions, based on resource scarcity, whereas Christians are taught to disregard the scarcity of resources and trust in God to provide, which to many people even today, would seem ridiculous.

I see. You see it as rational to initiate force to get the resources or the values one needs. You and I have a very different view of what is rational. But then you are an authoritarian. What made the Nazis actions evil was that they violated individual rights. They involved the initiation of force and of course they were racists, which is very irrational.

Now, to be clear, I am not accusing Ayn Rand, a celebrated female Jewish author, of being a Nazi, because that would be stupid and untrue. Rather, I am rejecting the Objectivist precept that irrationality is the root of all evil, and reasserting the Christian doctrine that it is money, the constituent tokens of which, while usually devoid of any substantial value in and of themselves, represent access to the scarce resources of society, which forms the root of all evil, and Christianity responds by dictating an approach to money which is not rational according to secular logic, but which can be justified only in the context of our apostolic patrimony of revealed and experiential theology.

Well I'm glad of that because she and her philosophy were as diametrically opposed to the Nazis as it is possible to be. I'd like to hear your definition of reason if you don't mind, so that I know what you mean when you use this concept. Objectivism defines reason as the faculty which identifies and integrates the material brought in by the senses in conceptual form.

I see that you hold that money is the root of evil, but have you ever considered what the root of money is. Where does wealth come from? Iron ore in the ground is not a resource unless some mind reasons out how to get it out and smelt it. Therefore it is the mind that is the source of all wealth. If you condemn wealth then you condemn its source. You condemn the mind as the root of all evil. You condemn man's basic tool of survival, his reasoning mind, and you say that it is not about rationality vs. irrationality? I think you need to give this some more thought.
 
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why have Neo Nazis become totally obsessed with killing all the Jewish people in the world now? because

Even though it is old.

To answer the original question:

Natzi's of all types have been fully invested in the fantasy's they make up about Jews being responsible for everything they see as evil in the world since the beginning.

Their "solutions" to this imaginary problem have more often than not lead to serious violence.

So, sadly, none of this is new.
 
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You need to stop throwing around accusations without sufficient evidence to back them up. One congresswoman's insensitive remarks does not make some kind of epidemic of anti-Semitism.

Then why doesn't the rest of The Squad disassociate themselves from her? Isn't that what we're to do with people who make "insensitive remarks"?
 
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I reject that Objectivist argument as an example of Ayn Rand’s moral bankruptcy. Rather, the root of all evil is the scarcity of resources, which our Lord summarized for his followers, who were mostly not well trained in the science of Economics, as money, since money is of course the nominal representation of scarce resources in a society.

In the case of the Nazis, perceived and actual scarcities were directly responsible for their long term objectives, and their strategic military actions, respectively, not to mention their atrocities. The whole point of the war was to secure lebensraum, based on a perceived shortage of land resources; the premise of the Holocaust and other barbarities, was that Jews, physically disabled people, dissidents, hardcore Christians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others deemed unproductive or undesirable wasted resources, and these perceived wasted resources were seen as justification for exterminating these populations.

It was not a question of rationality or irrationality, indeed, even today one can find people making arguments in favor of rationing healthcare based on the likelihood of the patient to recover and be productive in society, and the promotion of “euthanasia” and “assisted suicide”, which is to say, murder, for elderly people who have serious illnesses. One could make a case that providing expensive medical treatments to elderly people is irrational, and one might be logically correct, in the abstract, but one would be morally repugnant for advancing such an idea; Christian morality requires that we sometimes embrace a course of action which is not strictly logical or rational based on secular criteria, because of our moral obligation to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Likewise, the Nazis made, for the most part, rational decisions concerning their overall war plans based on resource constraints. The invasion of Romania and Southeastern Europe, for example, was a tactical imperative, in order to ensure access to vital supplies of petroleum, needed to fuel the vast war machine of the Third Reich. The worst decision the Nazis made, Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Sovietsky Soyuza, was again driven not by insanity but rather by the underlying concerns over lebensraum, over the scarcity of land and agricultural resources, and an anger over the use of those resources by Slavic people that Nazi scientists had, based on 1930s ideas of eugenics, concluded were inherently inferior to the Germanic people. So we see a reduction in rationality with this decision, but the decision was still nominally rational within the context of the irrational Nazi system of thought, which was irrational chiefly because it was predicated on a fear of the depletion of arable land and natural resources and the exclusion of Germans from access to those resources. Many of these concerns we have since learned were not unfounded, but what made the Nazis evil was their willingness to pursue what to them were rational decisions, based on resource scarcity, whereas Christians are taught to disregard the scarcity of resources and trust in God to provide, which to many people even today, would seem ridiculous.

Now, to be clear, I am not accusing Ayn Rand, a celebrated female Jewish author, of being a Nazi, because that would be stupid and untrue. Rather, I am rejecting the Objectivist precept that irrationality is the root of all evil, and reasserting the Christian doctrine that it is money, the constituent tokens of which, while usually devoid of any substantial value in and of themselves, represent access to the scarce resources of society, which forms the root of all evil, and Christianity responds by dictating an approach to money which is not rational according to secular logic, but which can be justified only in the context of our apostolic patrimony of revealed and experiential theology.

Germany's fear of lack of arable land wasn't completely unfounded, especially because during WWI, food scarcity was rampant and German children were being starved through a naval blockade. All because the hypocritical British preached a kind of "Pax Britannica", "Empire for me, but not for thee". Germany was saddled with unequal treaties going back to the 19th century, just as Japan and China were during the same time period.

Nazi antisemitism actually wasn't all that remarkable at the time, and grew out of widespread European and Christian antisemitism in general. What was different about the Nazis was that they were willing to practice what Christians had been preaching for centuries, that Europe would be better off without Jews.
 
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"Fueled" racial division is the sort of thing that is said when the speaker knows that his claim is on thin ice. Obviously, it is on thin ice in this case, since the charges of racism made against him are all phony or else someone's strained inference taken from a statement the president said that had no racialist implications.

Any careful observer would note which side--Trump or opponents--made the questionable statements first and would also weigh the significance of each. And to compare a mountain of hateful, daily, verbal attacks against Trump against rather tame retorts given back in reply? These are NOTHING COMPARED to what he has had hurled at him a thousand times over--racist, a king in the making, a lackey of Russia, a Nazi, Fascist, child molester, warmonger, illegitimate president, a danger to the country, one who stole or rigged the previous election, someone planning to have concentration camps, and a bunch of other terms that would get any of us a warning from the moderators. Calls for assassinating the president are not uncommon, either. There is no shame when it comes to what is made up out of thin air and then said, printed, published, etc.

So when it comes to who has divided the nation in the past several years, it isn't the target that has done it. It's the people doing the goading and pitting the races, sexes, and generations against each other, and even urbanites against rural Americans, all in an effort to overthrow the verdict of the voters in 2016.
And so far, they unfortunately were successful.

That should be a victory for the evil one. They say good wins in the end, but it's not that simple.
 
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If it involves violent ideology, of course it should not be tolerated. However, I would point out that much of what passes for conservativism in the US is inherently violent.
I strongly disagree with that.
 
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I watched a special 60 minutes episode on this problem in Australia and was shocked by the level of violence and growth of Neo Nazi sentiment. I didn’t realize it was that bad. I think this is a reaction to the identity politics that has sprung up in recent years. There has been a push for minority group’s rights and at the same time the degrading of whites especially males as privileged, racist and oppressive over minorities.

As they say every action has an equal and opposite reaction and I believe some who may have already had strong patriotic views have reacted to this and have become more organized. As a result this is generating more extreme views which are becoming a threat to national security. While we were so focused on foreign terrorist we have home grown ones growing in our backyard. It seems enough to concern our ASIO our National security.

These groups are tapping into a widely held view or perhaps unwarranted fear that minorities are threatening our way of life. Politically many people have expressed this concern with national parties gaining support though this has died down with Covid 19. Most people don't go to the extreme on this but it seems a sign of the times where divisions are being caused by identity politics and racial tensions as witnessed with recent protests.



 
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These groups are tapping into a widely held view or perhaps unwarranted fear that minorities are threatening our way of life.

This isn't really the case. The concern is that big government and big business are pushing cultural changes that cause division by exploiting minorities to pit them against everyone else and vice versa. What you said you see happening in Australia is happening in America as well.
 
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This isn't really the case. The concern is that big government and big business are pushing cultural changes that cause division by exploiting minorities to pit them against everyone else and vice versa. What you said you see happening in Australia is happening in America as well.
Yes I agree, that the real cause of division is those in positions of power and influence. But then isnt their position a reflection of where society is at. The idea of social justice is a sort of ground up movement or at least are started by identity groups who have power activists and lobby governments. Governments and corporations then follow due to pressure and being seen to be socially responsible.

Thats why you see big business usually hold back and then buy into these movements giving them more support and influence. Some governments may be opposed like conservative ones as opposed to right leaning governments who jump on board social justice ideas and lend support like the Biden aministration.
 
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