Why are most Christians so accepting of magic

[FireDragon76]

I think it is reassuring to note that even though these modern magicians can teleport objects, make items disappear, make fruit show up inside another fruit, levitate objects, move things around without touching them... even walk on the water of the River Thames..... these are great things for a human.. not for a demon.. and... what God can do is infinitely greater.

It's called prestadigitation and leger de main. They are illusionists, not sorcerers.

 

[Neostarwcc]

I think it is reassuring to note that even though these modern magicians can teleport objects, make items disappear, make fruit show up inside another fruit, levitate objects, move things around without touching them... even walk on the water of the River Thames..... these are great things for a human.. not for a demon.. and... what God can do is infinitely greater.

Yeah but 100% of what they do is faked. Nobody can really do those things with magical powers. There's always a trick to every single "magic" trick out there. There was a show called magic's greatest tricks revealed that showed how many common magic tricks are done. All of them were something ANYONE could do. Magic isn't real and never was.

 

[Kaon]

Your views are completely extreme and the examples you pin on it (porn) is completely disconnected. Porn is real. It is a vile form of media where 2 or more people actually engage in sexual acts. It is a career that the majority of people who came from broken homes or whatever negative upbringing end up deciding for themselves.

This is not the same as comics, video games, fantasy books, etc. These forms of media are art based off the imagination and not "demonic influences". Your phobia towards these being developed after "reading the bible" is just you and your interpretations with out any understanding of actual theology. I hat to say it, but your post is an example when christianity (as a religion) is doing some one bad than good.

There is such a thing as cartoon porn - like Freed Flintstone having sex with Wilma. I think the person was referring to this.

 

[Cis.jd]

There is such a thing as cartoon porn - like Freed Flintstone having sex with Wilma. I think the person was referring to this.

Even if with cartoon porn, it's still not in the context as fantasy-fiction. Reason why because these pornographic cartoons are made for someone to sexually react to them. It is a visual medium that connects to a persons sexual desires and arouses them. It's made to do something real.

It's not the same with fantasy fiction like comics or graphic novels because they are simply just made to entertain. It's all a product of someones imagination made for us to escape our own reality and just enjoy a story being told.

 

[Newtheran]

Apparently Disney has all these subtle images in the animations to influence people.

Here's a link to the vid:

Maybe Disney has subtle spells in it? Wouldn't surprise me that the dark side influences children when they are young.

I spent quite a bit of time looking at the starting frame of that video and wondering why someone had superimposed a cartoon image of a woman in a Bikini over the nose of a 747.

 

[Kaon]

Even if with cartoon porn, it's still not in the context as fantasy-fiction. Reason why because these pornographic cartoons are made for someone to sexually react to them. It is a visual medium that connects to a persons sexual desires and arouses them. It's made to do something real.

It's not the same with fantasy fiction like comics or graphic novels because they are simply just made to entertain. It's all a product of someones imagination made for us to escape our own reality and just enjoy a story being told.

It doesn't matter if you find a nuance of difference between the two, that is a product of the generation. The idea is still rudimentary witchcraft - to siphon energy from a host for the purposes of using it for one's self.

That you see cartoons as "not the same with fantasy fiction like comics or graphic novels" is a matter of your imagination - not the practitioners that would profit from the energy.

This is why I said many people are passive participants in rituals and spells - I will add on a mass scale. It is the marginalization (along with the ignorance of what magic is) that causes otherwise well-meaning people to willing provide all of the necessary energy needed for believers of magic to cast spells, and manipulate energy.

One's belief isn't necessary - in fact, it is best if one is ignorant of what is happening so that the energy one gives up can be pure.

 

[Cis.jd]

It doesn't matter if you find a nuance of difference between the two, that is a product of the generation. The idea is still rudimentary witchcraft - to siphon energy from a host for the purposes of using it for one's self.

That you see cartoons as "not the same with fantasy fiction like comics or graphic novels" is a matter of your imagination - not the practitioners that would profit from the energy.

This is why I said many people are passive participants in rituals and spells - I will add on a mass scale. It is the marginalization (along with the ignorance of what magic is) that causes otherwise well-meaning people to willing provide all of the necessary energy needed for believers of magic to cast spells, and manipulate energy.

One's belief isn't necessary - in fact, it is best if one is ignorant of what is happening so that the energy one gives up can be pure.

No, it does matter. There is a complete difference with porn (real or cartoon) from a fantasy fictional story. Porn is made for actual sexual stimulation, the fictional story like Dr Strange, Hary Potter, LOTR, etc isn't.. it's just simply a product of fantasy for entertainment. If someone is going to be influenced to do "rituals or spells" from watching the movies i've just referenced then that is the problem with the persons IQ than it is with the content. We shouldn't just paint things with a "satan brush" by considering any form of fantasy that has super powers or unearthly things as "black magic". It just makes christianity look silly.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I disagree, it does matter. There is a complete difference when you do porn (either real or cartoon) from just making fictional story. Porn is made for actual sexual stimulation, the fictional story like Dr Strange, Hary Potter, LOTR, etc isn't.. it's just simply a product of fantasy for entertainment. If someone is going to be influenced to do "rituals or spells" from watching the movies i've just referenced then that is the problem with the persons IQ than it is with the content.

I think it has more to do with a person's ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality. I taught my children that Harry Potter, LOTR, the Hobbit, and the Chronicles of Narnia are all fictional and they know it. None of my seven children have ever expressed the desire to practice witchcraft or perform real magic because they read Harry Potter or any of the other fantasy/fictional books I mentioned.

 

[Kaon]

No, it does matter. There is a complete difference with porn (real or cartoon) from a fantasy fictional story. Porn is made for actual sexual stimulation, the fictional story like Dr Strange, Hary Potter, LOTR, etc isn't.. it's just simply a product of fantasy for entertainment. If someone is going to be influenced to do "rituals or spells" from watching the movies i've just referenced then that is the problem with the persons IQ than it is with the content. We shouldn't just paint things with a "satan brush" by considering any form of fantasy that has super powers or unearthly things as "black magic". It just makes christianity look silly.

Morally, yes.

Magically, not so much. As I said, it is about energy manipulation.


People thought that Area 51 was silly until it was declassified; humans are horrible barometers for truth and validity. Human logic is what handicaps other humans, keeping them ignorant and giving up energy continuously to practitioners who profit from the incredulity.

Your belief, even your understanding, is not necessary for the magic to work. Your morality isn't necessary for magic to work. Your logic is not necessary for magic to work. This is why witchcraft should be identified - the spells and incantations should be exposed - so that layperson can be better equipped.


Parroting, "its fake/it isn't real" doesn't actually do anything except satiate a psychological qualms within the individual, and/or expose misunderstanding of how magic works.

Stage magic is not magic/witchcraft.

 

[JacksBratt]

It's called prestadigitation and leger de main. They are illusionists, not sorcerers.

No offense, but, the "illusionists" of today even admit that they have helpers from different dimensions... But, if you want to believe that all of these are illusions, that's your right.

A lot of the "tricks" are still illusions, don't get me wrong, but, if you were to watch some of Shin Lim's, Dynamo's or others, you will see that there getting beyond illusions.

 

[JacksBratt]

Here, another admits to spirits helping.

 

[Cis.jd]

Morally, yes.

Magically, not so much. As I said, it is about energy manipulation.


People thought that Area 51 was silly until it was declassified; humans are horrible barometers for truth and validity. Human logic is what handicaps other humans, keeping them ignorant and giving up energy continuously to practitioners who profit from the incredulity.

Your belief, even your understanding, is not necessary for the magic to work. Your morality isn't necessary for magic to work. Your logic is not necessary for magic to work. This is why witchcraft should be identified - the spells and incantations should be exposed - so that layperson can be better equipped.


Parroting, "its fake/it isn't real" doesn't actually do anything except satiate a psychological qualms within the individual, and/or expose misunderstanding of how magic works.

Stage magic is not magic/witchcraft.

What energy manipulation? There is no "energy" in those fantasy stories, it's all fictional energy. There is nothing happening other than people watching a visual story. I don't see the connection with what people thought about Area 51 and fantasy movies like the MCU or whatever that has magic and monsters being non-satanic. Nothing in the Infinity war is going to be thought of as real.

Saying "it's fake" is just stating the facts. It's not real so why are people throwing such religious phobia on it?

 

[Kaon]

What energy manipulation? There is no "energy" in those fantasy stories, it's all fictional energy. There is nothing happening other than people watching a visual story. I don't see the connection with what people thought about Area 51 and fantasy movies like the MCU or whatever that has magic and monsters being non-satanic. Nothing in the Infinity war is going to be thought of as real.

Saying "it's fake" is just stating the facts. It's not real so why are people throwing such religious phobia on it?

Ok.

 

[Cis.jd]

I think it has more to do with a person's ability to differentiate between fantasy and reality. I taught my children that Harry Potter, LOTR, the Hobbit, and the Chronicles of Narnia are all fictional and they know it. None of my seven children have ever expressed the desire to practice witchcraft or perform real magic because they read Harry Potter or any of the other fantasy/fictional books I mentioned.

This thread is getting sad for me. This forum can be a huge challenge to the faith because of some adults who are so non sensical that they can't determine fantasy and reality. From comics, books, magic... It's just becomes disheartening to see a source for non-christians to use for example on the negatives of being a christian.

 

[Kaon]

@RaymondG

Can you see why I say ignorance is a luxury, and despite what it connotes, some would do better to stay there?

 

[RaymondG]

@RaymondG

Can you see why I say ignorance is a luxury, and despite what it connotes, some would do better to stay there?

Yes, Im all for those who desire ignorance, staying therein. I would never try and force someone into that life... However, I just would not put fear in the heart of those who would seek it......For that world is not a place for the ignorant, nor the fearful.

 

[devin553344]

Lol! Witch one did you not see, since i mentioned 3?

I saw the craft! Not a super good movie, but not super evil either.

 

[devin553344]

Well, trust me friend. You don't want to know about it. Such things can destroy a person's life. However, if you really have no idea and you simply want to know where I am coming from (because you are still clueless): Cartoon porn is exactly what it means. The format of the film is cartoon, but the content is porn in the sense like every other form of porn out there in that it depicts people having sex. Anyways, my point is that cartoon porn is something that men watch so as to touch (Which is the same purpose behind live action porn). It is all about lusting in one's heart sexually (Which is described as adultery by Jesus) (See: Matthew 5:28-30). In this passage, Jesus said, "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee." (Matthew 5:30). Why did Jesus say to cut off the hand in relation to looking at woman? Because obviously it is talking about masturbation. Jesus is saying that it would be better if you cut off your hand if it would make you stop then to be cast bodily into hell fire over the sin of lusting after a woman. It is the same with any other sin that is promoted in a film, book, comic, etc. Granted, some sins are not as influentual as say porn involving men, but they can and do effect people more than you realize.

As I said before, I wanted to cast a real spell because of my influence in playing Dungeons and Dragons when I was a kid back in the 80's. I am not alone in my testimony, either. There are others who have been influenced to do those sinful things that are being pushed upon them in sinful secular films, books, comics, role playing games, etc.

Side Note:

My point here is that if folks say that the sin that is promoted in their secular sinful movie watching does not effect them, then that is like saying that a person who watches cartoon porn is not effected by the sex being depicted in front of them using cartoon characters. They would be lying in most cases because men generally watch that kind of junk so as to touch. It is fantasy, but it is a real sin being pushed upon them that makes them sin. While other sins are not as influentual when it comes to men, they can and do effect a person more than most people realize. That's the whole point that you are ignoring. The reality of sin does not go away just because some movie director or book author says that such a sin does not exist in their universe. The reality of sin does not go away just because their fans say it does not exist, either.

Then there is the silent acceptance of such sins when you watch these films, read these books, comics, etc. If you were strongly against witchcraft, you are not going to watch witchcraft. Most Satanists turned Christian do not watch movies, read books depicting witchcraft because they know these are horrible sins to God.

1 John 2:15-17 says,

15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."

God wants you to cut off your hand for masturbating? Really that's your God? You appear pretty extreme in your views. And that's the way you have to live to be a good christian? But not everyone has to be extreme. Some people are OK with moderation in their Christian views. You should also accept that idea.

 

[Cis.jd]

However, this was definitely not the case with ........ewwww........my viewing of The Witch.......which was a bit discomfiting.

I thought the Witch was ok, mainly because the majority of western holywood films are all about jump scares over story. Making them completely boring to watch. The best western horror flick i've seen in recent years was Haunting of the Hillhouse on Netflix. It's such a well written horror series that actually focuses on story telling rather than cheap scares.

I also consider the Sixth sense a good scary movie mainly because of it's story (or plot twist) and I did get scared in some of it's scenes.

But overall, for those dark-ghost/demon/magic horror stuff.. it's asian horror movies that wins for me.

 

[Neogaia777]

Why are most Christians so focused on the fictional and not real magic, than the "other" "all too real magic" and real witches and warlocks and witchcraft that is out there that they are pretty much unconcerned with and most are blind and deaf to...?

And that some of them are and/or unknowingly are and/or are practicing, and/or are at least involved in, against God's true real prophets and true people ect...?

Emotional, and heavy emotional manipulation, especially done on purpose, is one kind of this, that kills us, and makes us want to run away and hide ect, detours us from our destiny ect.

People who play mind games and mental and emotional manipulative games on purpose ect...

Those are the real witches and warlocks and is some real witchcraft if you ask me, and it's everywhere, killing the true people of God.

God Bless!