Who/what are the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

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Between Revelation 12:6 and 12:14 is the war in heaven. The amount of earth time that passes as that war in heaven battles out - we are not told. But some earth time passes - which there are not exactly 1260 days left after Satan is cast down, but a little less, called
the times, times, half times in Revelation 12:14.

12:6 1260 days
12:7-9 the war in heaven (some earth time passes, as it takes place)
12:14 the time, times, half times left (a little less than 1260 days)



:doh::D. You will really be on your game when you absorb what I wrote above.

RT, this is not hard. Don't make it hard.

1260 days +3.5 days + 42 months ( containing the time, times, half times) = 2520 days

The 42 months expression for this particular case in bible prophecy is 3.5 days less than exactly 1260 days.

Differently, if we were doing a math problem, then 42 months x 30days/month would be exactly 1260 days. But we are not doing a math problem - we are in the realm of bible prophecy particular to Revelation, the events there.
I have told people for eons. Rev. 12:1-6 is not a Prophecy per se, its setting up the real Prophecy that is Rev. 12:7-17. Of course verse 6 is at the end of time, but its just a nugget to finish out the story from 1-5 that was placed there to give us the CODE of who the Woman was.

Its very evident that both are the same Woman. And she is protected for 1260 Days which is a TIME (Year 360) a TIMES (2 Years 720) and a 1/2 TIME (1/2 Year or 180)

360
720
180
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1260
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RT, why would the person stop the daily sacrifice in the first place? What would be his motivation?
Its not a SACRIFICE.....Go look in Daniel, it never says Sacrifice, it says DAILY......Now go look at Daniel 9:21 where Daniel is praying at the EVENING OBLATION (Look up Oblation it means TRIBUTE UNTO God) and he is praying to God, an OBLATION is a tribute put forth unto God. Gabriel came at the EVENING OBLATION to speak with Daniel. Its never called a SACRIFICE, its called the DAILY by Daniel over and over. (The KJV Translators added Sacrifice....Honestly I guess)

Since he is ANTI-CHRIST and the Two-Witnesses turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Day of the Lord just like Malachi 4:5 says he does not want Israel worshiping Jesus Christ. The whole KEY IS you have to understand Israel never accept this man as their King brother. Israel REPENTS before the Day of the Lord which I think starts with the FIRST SEAL.

Well of course hes going to stop anyone from Worshiping Jesus Christ, after all he is ANTI-CHRIST.

Actual Hebrew VERSE.......Below.

And from the time 6256 x4480 the daily 8548 shall be taken away, 5493 z8717 and the abomination 8251 that maketh desolate 8074 z8802 set up, 5414 z8800 a thousand 505 two hundred 3967 and ninety 8673 days. 3117

There is NO SACRIFICE. Its a Daily Oblation Daniel is speaking about.
A TRIBUTE UNTO GOD/JESUS !!
 
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Its not a SACRIFICE.....Go look in Daniel, it never says Sacrifice, it says DAILY......Now go look at Daniel 9:21 where Daniel is praying at the EVENING OBLATION (Look up Oblation it means TRIBUTE UNTO God) and he is praying to God, an OBLATION is a tribute put forth unto God. Gabriel came at the EVENING OBLATION to speak with Daniel. Its never called a SACRIFICE, its called the DAILY by Daniel over and over. (The KJV Translators added Sacrifice....Honestly I guess)
RT, one of the things I picked up while at the Jews's sites, when questioning them about the temple not being around, like currently, and at the time of the Babylonian captivity - was they had no way of performing the animal sacrifices.

What they told me was at those times, prayer was a substitute for the animal sacrifices. They referenced some bible verses as this is what they were supposed to do, but I don't recall what those were.

So what Daniel was doing was praying in the morning and in the evening. Which was a substitute for the temple daily morning and evening animal sacrifices.

When the temple is rebuilt, the daily (morning and evening) sacrifices will resume and that is what is going to be taken away by the Antichrist at the time he goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God, revealing himself to be the man of sin.
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In Daniel 8, not Daniel 9, this is the act of the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. He takes away the daily sacrifice. Which his act of 2Thessalonians2:4 is the transgression of desolation - not the abomination of desolation.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

There is no way we can figure out what day on the timeline that the transgression of desolation takes place. Like we can with the abomination of desolation - an image - on day 1185.

We can know for certain though is the transgression of desolation takes place sometime before day 1185 - maybe a couple of weeks, maybe a month.


transgression of desolation - 2thessalonians2:4 act - triggers the Day of the Lord

a couple of weeks, maybe a month later....

abomination of desolation - Daniel 12:11-12 - a thing, an idol, an image setup - triggers the great tribulation
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It will be the daily morning and evening animal sacrifices that will be taken away and replaced with direct worship of the revealed man of sin, and as the beast after he is killed and brought back to life. In Daniel 8 (of him) and Daniel 12 (of his image).
 
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RT, one of the things I picked up while at the Jews's sites, when questioning them about the temple not being around, like currently, and at the time of the Babylonian captivity - was they had no way of performing the animal sacrifices.

What they told me was at those times, prayer was a substitute for the animal sacrifices. They referenced some bible verses as this is what they were supposed to do, but I don't recall what those were.
Apples and Oranges, you assume that Israel has not accepted their Messiah by the time the Daily is taken away. I believe scriptures say they have, thus they will of course be worshiping Jesus the Savior as we the Church do now, why don't we Sacrifice animals Douggg? Because Jesus is our permanent Sacrifice of course, they know this and thus why would you expect them to be SACRIFICING ANIMALS? The problem is you are ignoring all of the evidence. LETS TAKE A FRESH LOOK at the evidence:

1. Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah turns Israel back unto God before the Day of the Lord.

2. Why would Israel FLEE Judea into the Wilderness (Petra) if they were not hearing Jesus' voice?

3. Why would God PROTECT that which is profane/dead unto him? He wouldn't unless Israel had already REPENTED !!

The point is not that an Oblation/Tribute can't be a Sacrifice of Animals also at times, but the point I am making is that it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE !! So if Israel have accepted Jesus bythis time WHY would anyone think they are sacrificing animals? You see I think they do build the Temple and start sacrificing animals unto God again for a short time, then Elijah is sent back and they accept Jesus as their Messiah and of course with a PERMANENT SACRIFICE that practice is done away with.

They point is we have to add up the facts. If Israel accept Jesus as their Messiah they will not henceforth need to sacrifice animals we would all agree right? Therefore do they accept Jesus or not before the Day of the Lord? The Scriptures say they do.

The clues say they do. They listen to Jesus' warning to FLEE JUDEA and God protects Israel in the Wilderness, He wouldn't do that if they had not TURNED BACK UNTO HIM !! Why would He? He turned His back on Israel because they REJECTED HIM.

In Daniel 8, not Daniel 9, this is the act of the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God. He takes away the daily sacrifice. Which his act of 2Thessalonians2:4 is the transgression of desolation - not the abomination of desolation.
As noted above, and even admitted by you, the Daily doesn't have to be an Animal Sacrifice, that is you believing it is, but without looking at all of the facts. Israel accepts Jesus BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD !! When are you going to give up and accept that scripture as fact Doug? And the evidence points to this also. Israel FOLLOW JESUS WARNINGS............God protects Israel.

Both of these things point to Israel having REPENTED.

So the Anti-Christ forces Israel to stop paying TRIBUTE to Jesus Christ or worshiping Jesus whom they now realize is their Messiah. 30 Days later he places an Image in the Temple after he Conquers Jerusalem, or just before he conquers them.

The point is Doug you can't force there to be a Sacrifice just because you think there is one. Its an Oblation or Tribute unto God, and once Jesus is accepted as their Messiah they, like Paul and Peter, they will be understand that a Sacrifice is not needed anymore because Jesus is their sacrifice once and for all.

Then the point becomes moot because Israel accepts Jesus. Scriptures tell us this happens, the evidence points to this else God would not protect Israel and Israel would not heed Jesus' words about EXACTLY WHERE TO FLEE.
 
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They point is we have to add up the facts. If Israel accept Jesus as their Messiah they will not henceforth need to sacrifice animals we would all agree right? Therefore do they accept Jesus or not before the Day of the Lord? The Scriptures say they do.
The scriptures do not say the Jews, Israel, accept Jesus before the Day of the Lord. (the exception being the 144,000). The scriptures actually say to them not to desire for the Day of the Lord.
Amos:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

RT, you are misunderstanding what it says about Elijah. Yes, he comes before the Day of the Lord. But the Jews don't become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Elijah's role is to prepare their hearts.

Just as John the Baptist prepared the hearts in his day.

It is only 144,000 will become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Those 144,000 will be instrumental in converting the rest of Israel, once the Day of the Lord begins, and the two witnesses are gone.
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1. Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah turns Israel back unto God.

Elijah prepares the Jews' hearts during most of the first half of the 7 years. At day 1185, the abomination of desolation is setup, and the Jews begin fleeing to the Mountains (Petra as well). It will be a state of mass confusion.

Their thought-to-be messiah King of Israel, had just gone into the temple, claiming to be God a few weeks before. The Jews react by canceling his Kingship. Outsiders to Israel kill the person. He comes back to life and the image made of him. All of this is a very short timespan.

The Jews will be fleeing to the wilderness during the last part of the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 as the two witnesses provide protection from the beast as they flee, from day 1185 to day 1260.

The two witness are killed on day 1260, come back to life on day 1263.5. The Jews are in the wilderness, the ones who are smart and flee out of Jerusalem right away.

The seventh trumpet sounds, and there is the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. Satan cast down. It is then that the Jews, safe in the wilderness, get a chance to piece everything together that has happened at a whirlwind, flash flood, pace..... and they become Christians - realizing the enormity of having rejected Jesus and only to believe in the person as their messiah - who unexpectly betrayed them and the covenant that God is their God.

How do I know? Because it says so in Revelation 12:10, as coinciding when Satan is cast down.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they [the two witnesses and the 144,000] overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death [the two witnesses and the 144,000].
 
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Back then, for some reason, no one recognized that Moses had made it a requirement in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.
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Where did you get that from?]
The one to confirm the covenant is Messiah, the Prince
 
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The scriptures do not say the Jews, Israel, accept Jesus before the Day of the Lord. (the exception being the 144,000). The scriptures actually say to them not to desire for the Day of the Lord.
Amos:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

RT, you are misunderstanding what it says about Elijah. Yes, he comes before the Day of the Lord. But the Jews don't become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Elijah's role is to prepare their hearts.

Just as John the Baptist prepared the hearts in his day.

It is only 144,000 will become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Those 144,000 will be instrumental in converting the rest of Israel, once the Day of the Lord begins, and the two witnesses are gone.
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1. Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah turns Israel back unto God.

Elijah prepares the Jews' hearts during most of the first half of the 7 years. At day 1185, the abomination of desolation is setup, and the Jews begin fleeing to the Mountains (Petra as well). It will be a state of mass confusion.

Their thought-to-be messiah King of Israel, had just gone into the temple, claiming to be God a few weeks before. The Jews react by canceling his Kingship. Outsiders to Israel kill the person. He comes back to life and the image made of him. All of this is a very short timespan.

The Jews will be fleeing to the wilderness during the last part of the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 as the two witnesses provide protection from the beast as they flee, from day 1185 to day 1260.

The two witness are killed on day 1260, come back to life on day 1263.5. The Jews are in the wilderness, the ones who are smart and flee out of Jerusalem right away.

The seventh trumpet sounds, and there is the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. Satan cast down. It is then that the Jews, safe in the wilderness, get a chance to piece everything together that has happened at a whirlwind, flash flood, pace..... and they become Christians - realizing the enormity of having rejected Jesus and only to believe in the person as their messiah - who unexpectly betrayed them and the covenant that God is their God.

How do I know? Because it says so in Revelation 12:10, as coinciding when Satan is cast down.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they [the two witnesses and the 144,000] overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death [the two witnesses and the 144,000].

Such a load of mixed up theory. "Nonsense is incapable of confutation" martin Luther.
 
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The four horsemen of the apocalypse are described in Revelation chapter 6, verses 1-8.
Conquest, War, Famine, and Death, respectively.

These four elements existed together originally during the Jewish-Roman war and the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. However, we read Revelation because it's story of tribulation and hope behind the curtains that God is still in control echo over and again throughout history.
 
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Conquest, War, Famine, and Death, respectively.

These four elements existed together originally during the Jewish-Roman war and the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. However, we read Revelation because it's story of tribulation and hope behind the curtains that God is still in control echo over and again throughout history.


Jesus amplified His Olivet discourse in Mt.24; Mk.13 and Lk.21 in Rev.6. The events are one and the same and have not yet taken place. The Church must be raptured first, followed shortly thereafter with the tribulation, triggered by the "he" of Dan.9:27, confirming a covenant with many.

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It is unthinkable that she [the Church] would claim to replace Israel. She is not another Israel
Cardinal Lustiger
“God never abandoned his covenant with Israel"
Pope Francis
The esteemed cardinal and pope have not told us who Israel is. Here is who they are:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Genetically, ultimately every inhabitant of planet earth. Is that who they mean?

Spiritually, only those who "do the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

That's the true and only Covenant Israel.
 
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The esteemed cardinal and pope have not told us who Israel is. Here is who they are:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Genetically, ultimately every inhabitant of planet earth. Is that who they mean?

Spiritually, only those who "do the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

That's the true and only Covenant Israel.
Israel is the descendants of Jacob (determined by matrilineal descent, although tribal affiliation is patrilineal) OR via halakhic conversion, meaning adoption into Israel, such as Ruth or Rahab.
 
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Jesus amplified His Olivet discourse in Mt.24; Mk.13 and Lk.21 in Rev.6. The events are one and the same and have not yet taken place. The Church must be raptured first, followed shortly thereafter with the tribulation, triggered by the "he" of Dan.9:27, confirming a covenant with many.

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There is no rapture in Scripture. The verses that some purport to be about a rapture are actually about the second coming.
 
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The scriptures do not say the Jews, Israel, accept Jesus before the Day of the Lord. (the exception being the 144,000). The scriptures actually say to them not to desire for the Day of the Lord.
Amos:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

RT, you are misunderstanding what it says about Elijah. Yes, he comes before the Day of the Lord. But the Jews don't become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Elijah's role is to prepare their hearts.

Just as John the Baptist prepared the hearts in his day.

It is only 144,000 will become Christians before the Day of the Lord. Those 144,000 will be instrumental in converting the rest of Israel, once the Day of the Lord begins, and the two witnesses are gone.
The 144,000 are the Jews in the Wilderness my brother. It is a figurative accounting of all Israel. 12 is the number of fullness, therefore 12 x 12 is ALL ISRAEL. In Rev. 7 the Angels are told to hold back the winds (Plagues/Hurt not the earth) until the 144,000 are Sealed in their heads. They are waiting for the Jews to reach their destination in the WILDERNESS/Petra.

They are virgins in that they have been cleansed by the blood. 12 x 12 x 12 is ALL ISRAEL.

No one is to desire the Day of the Lord because OF COURSE it would have been better if they had become Messianic Jews right? 2/3 of the Jews will be killed, only 1/3 survive. So no one should desire to be on earth during the Day of the Lord, no one is arguing against that point, what we are talking about is the facts of the matter however, and there WILL BE JEWS on earth, and they will repent Before the Day of the Lord, most Jews will stay blind until the fullness of the Gentiles have come in, only some will become Messianic Jews. So that point is moot, we are talking TRUTH or the reality of what is going to happen, factual facts so to speak.

The Passage says he turns them back to God before the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.

1. Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah turns Israel back unto God.

Elijah prepares the Jews' hearts during most of the first half of the 7 years. At day 1185, the abomination of desolation is setup, and the Jews begin fleeing to the Mountains (Petra as well). It will be a state of mass confusion.

This is simple math brother. I do not get how you can not get the two-timelines. The only part of the Beasts 1260 days that the two-witnesses are not around for is the 3rd Woe which is IMHO, all seven vials. So the difference in the two 1260 day periods is ONLY the Seven Vials !! Which means the Two-witnesses show up just a fraction before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the Beast for 42 months.

70th Week Timeline

1. Rapture comes: there is 2520 Days left until the END/Jesus returns.
2. Two-Witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord. ( Israel repents....1335 Days left ? )
3. The Daily is taken away, Israel have been worshiping Jesus, now its FORBIDDEN. 1290 Days left.
4. The First Seal is broken, the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem, he becomes the Beast, he defiles the Temple, there is 1260 Days left until the END/Jesus returns.

Seeing as how the two-witnesses die at the end of the 2nd Woe, just before the 3rd Woe which is IMHO, all Seven Vials, and that can only be a short time period because the scripture says the 3rd Woe comes QUICKLY, we can assume the seven vials last no longer than a month or two. And of course that fits right in with the time-line of the 1335-1260 that I show above.

You are getting the clues in Daniel 12 backwards brother. Why are you saying there is 1185 Days left when the Abomination of Desolation is put forth? Daniel was told by the Angel HOW LONG would be LEFT until the Lords return and he was told there would be 1260 days left. Then Daniel stated he did not understand still, and he asked HOW LONG UNTIL THE END !! Not how long unto the Abomination of Desolation shows up, not how long until the Beast shows up etc. etc. But how long until the END COMES !! Now relook at it brother in that context. In that context their is no AOD Showing up 1185. WATCH BELOW:

Dan. 12:6 And one(ANGEL) said to the man clothed in linen(JESUS), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;(1260 DAYS) and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So verse 7 says that from the time the holy people/Woman/Israel is scattered there will be 1260 days left until the END/Jesus returns. They wrote things backwards from us but that's what it says. But REMEMBER THE Emphasis is on How long SHALL IT BE TO THE END of these Wonders ! Then Daniel repeats that same line of questioning again, and s told two more KEY EVENTS, but the time frame is REVERSED ENGINEERED so to speak, Jesus/Angel is telling us how long it is from EACH EVENT he mentions until the END OF THESE WONDERS !! WATCH THIS:

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

1. From the time the DAILY is taken away and the AOD is set up, there will be 1290 Days left. NOT 1290 Days into the Seven Year Period. But this is a like-minded question to the first question, how LONG UNTIL THE END !! So even though it looks like the AOD is set up at the same time as the Daily (which I see as Jesus being worshiped) and I have always assumed the Abomination of Desolation happens at the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the Beast, I AM NOT STIFF/PROUD, I will look at the facts as they come, come as they may, and it SEEMS (Further study needed) that the AOD is set up 1290 days before the END/Jesus returns, and 30 Days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem to become the Beast !! Requires more study.

2. BLESSED is he that waits and comes to the 1335 Days. Since the other events are are from the EVENT to the END, so is this. So what is supposed to happen just before the Day of the Lord comes? (FIRST SEAL). Elijah is supposed to turn Israel back unto God. God doesn't count any further than this in reality as per Israel. They are brought back to life HERE, 1335 Days before Jesus Returns, BLESSED is he that makes it unto the END of the 1335 Days. (2/3 will die).

Now, using this timeline makes more sense to me. If the Jewish peoples were attacked at the 1260 Day mark then fled, how could they escape the TYRANT BEAST who would be thrust upon then in a flash !! BUT EUREKA, If God is ordering the Angels to hold back the Plagues from coming forth in Rev. chapter 7, stopping Gods Wrath from coming forth until Israel are in their safe zone in Petra or the Wilderness, then this makes perfect sense. The 144,000 is ALL ISRAEL, God holds back the Plagues of which the Anti-Christ coming forth to Conquer is the very FIRST SEAL. Thus the coming Anti-Christ, some Geo-Political figure, not the King of Israel, BUT....Someone I grant that seems to have tricked Israel via a FALSE PEACE into giving him to much authority, power over them thus he seems to set up an Image unto himself before he Conquers Israel to become the beast at the 1260 Day mark. That matches Dan. 9:27 when we think about it.


The Jews will be fleeing to the wilderness during the last part of the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 as the two witnesses provide protection from the beast as they flee, from day 1185 to day 1260.

As I stated, you have the 1185 on the wrong end. Its the 1335.........TO THE END. The Jews will flee for 1260 Days. They seems to have a 30 day window to GET OUT before the Anti-Christ is allowed by Jesus to come forth and Conquer, and thus become the BEAST fir 42 Months or 1260 Days. It all fits quite well to be honest.

The two witness are killed on day 1260, come back to life on day 1263.5. The Jews are in the wilderness, the ones who are smart and flee out of Jerusalem right away.
There is NO WAY the Two Witnesses are killed on day 1260, that defies both LOGIC and MATH Brother. No use in me even debating that one with you. If you can add you can see that's wrong.

The seventh trumpet sounds, and there is the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. Satan cast down. It is then that the Jews, safe in the wilderness, get a chance to piece everything together that has happened at a whirlwind, flash flood, pace..... and they become Christians - realizing the enormity of having rejected Jesus and only to believe in the person as their messiah - who unexpectly betrayed them and the covenant that God is their God.

How do I know? Because it says so in Revelation 12:10, as coinciding when Satan is cast down.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation [to the Jews], and strength, and the kingdom of our God [to the Jews], and the power of his Christ [to the Jews]: for the accuser of our brethren [the Jews] is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they [the two witnesses and the 144,000] overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death [the two witnesses and the 144,000].

Satan and his Angels are cast out at the Sixth Seal, you don't really think stars fall yo earth do you? The untimely figs/Stars that are SHAKEN is the Demons and Satan being cast out of Heaven.
 
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Why are you saying there is 1185 Days left when the Abomination of Desolation is put forth?
I didn't say there were 1185 days left from the time the AOD is setup. I wrote that the AOD is setup on day 1185. There are 1335 days left from then until Jesus returns..
 
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As I stated, you have the 1185 on the wrong end. Its the 1335.........TO THE END.
Day 1185 is a day on the timeline when the AOD is setup. From Day 1185 to day 2520 on the timeline when Jesus returns is 1335 days.

day 1..................day 1185 AOD....................1335 days..........day 2520 Jesus returns.
 
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There is NO WAY the Two Witnesses are killed on day 1260, that defies both LOGIC and MATH Brother. No use in me even debating that one with you. If you can add you can see that's wrong.
And why does it defy math and logic?

The Antchrist confirms the covenant to begin the 7 years - day 1. The two witnesses begin warning the Jews about him then the same day.

At day 1260, the Antichrist, now the beast, kills them. Their bodies lay dead in the streets 3 .5 days, then come back to life and ascend.... on day 1263.5 on the timeline.
 
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The Antchrist confirms the covenant to begin the 7 years - day 1. The two witnesses begin warning the Jews about him then the same day.

That is False teaching.
It is messiah, the Prince who will confirm the covenant.
 
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70th Week Timeline

70th Week Timeline

  • Daniel 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel was told he would understand and there is no way he would understand anything other than the 70 weeks are a unit, especially as the 3rd word in the 24th verse is singular in the original and should read '70 weeks is determined' as many writers in the past informed us. Thus showing its time as a unit.

Notice that 6 items in verse 24 are those determined to happen in the 70 weeks.

1). Finish the transgression. Or complete the transgression. This they did when they filled up the measure of their fathers, Matthew 23:29-32. They did that by Crucifying their Messiah.
2).Jesus made an end of sins for His people by His death on the cross.
3).Make reconciliation for iniquity by His death and resurrection, reconciling His people to God.
4). and to bring in everlasting righteousness. Likewise he brought in everlasting righteousness, by imputing His righteousness on those who believe in him and repent of their sins.
5). To bring in everlasting righteousness. He brought in everlasting righteousness by imputing His righteousness to His people.
6). To anoint the most Holy. Jesus was anointed as the most Holy at His baptism. He was announced as the Lamb of God, God announced from heaven that Jesus was His Beloved Son. Jesus said he was anointed, Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me.....21 This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Jesus said "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.Mark 1:15
The unclean spirit even recognised what Christians don't recognise today. I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God, Luke 4:34.
That finished all that was determined for the 70 weeks
  • Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
From the time that Cyrus published God's command to build Jerusalem and the temple. wer to be 7 weeks, 49 years, during which the city and temple would be built. G
This takes us into the time of Darius (Artaxerxes) Then 62 weeks to the baptism of Jesus

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: Messiah was cut off after 62 weeks that is in the 70th week. the following verse tells when in the 70th week, he was cut off, in the midst.

And the people of the prince that shall come (the Roman soldiers) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. The people of Titus destroyed the temple against his orders.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: This refers back to Messiah, and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, he caused that by his death on the cross.





 
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