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Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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  1. ace of hearts

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    I understand. I agree with many people here at CF. I won't ever forsake grace to be governed by the law. One of the reasons at top of my list is Gal 5.
     
  2. ace of hearts

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    If you and I were in the field working and I said to my dog go to the house, would you also go to the house? I don't think you would because it was you that was told to go to the house. When it comes to the law and salvation that's exactly what you're doing.
     
  3. ace of hearts

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    No one here is teaching others to behave wickedly.
    Maybe this is what you do. Jesus said -

    LK 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

    and -

    JN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    If one follows the above how can they do any of the wicked things you suggest? Or how would they be in violation of any commandments you refer to. I think following the teachings of Jesus above would cover your presented problems and a person wouldn't be engaged in wicked behavior.
    Please quote any passage that shows obedience to the law as fruit.
    What was Jesus asked and by who? Where in your passage does Jesus say or imply obligation to the law?
    What did the man ask? Where did Jesus disagree with him? Why did the man leave sad? Why are you insisting you do what the Scripture says you can't? Why aren't you making full disclosure about the complete incident you talk about above?
    James says the whole law. Why aren't you in compliance with the whole law? Aren't you willfully committing repeated unrepentant sin as you keep jabbering about?
    No because it's not written on my heart. I've never had any desire to keep the law. Your point is I'm lost and on my way to a hot climate for retirement. That disagrees with many passages like Jn 5:24.
    This isn't the law given only to Israel in the desert after departure from Egypt. You have never quoted to my recollection -

    6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    The reason you don't quote the above is it disproves your twisting what you did quote as error.
    If we're reborn we walk in the spirit and not in the flesh as the old man does. That old man is dead (Rom 6) if one is born again.
    Let's look at what it means to be Born again and to walk in God's Spirit and the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil...

    1 JOHN 3:3-10
    [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
    [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    [6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.[/quote]By your presentation you confess you're not in Him because you sin.
    According to your view here you must be confessing you're of the devil.
    Why are you doing the works of the devil by your own admission and practice?
    So you know you're not born again because you commit sin on a regular weekly schedule.
    Here's what Jesus taught -

    JN 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    JN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    JN 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    John also said -

    1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
     
  4. ace of hearts

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    Yes you keep trying to prove Christians asre obligated to the Old Covenant made with Israel in the desert after departure from Egypt. There's absolutely nothing in the NT to support such. You're in full blown denial of -

    Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
    As far as I know my neighbor's frame of reference isn't the Scripture, therefore what you say has no meaning about him or to me. A positive response for me about what I do concerning your above words doesn't mean my frame of reference is the law for my actions as I've quoted to you from the Gospels of Luke and John.
    What fulfills the law? Did you say love? or do you really mean doing the law fulfills the law as you've posted and been quoted? What really is your position? You flip flop so badly and refuse to provide personal testimony you can't be nailed to anything except more argument and c&p.
    As shown to you earlier LK 6:31 and JN 13:34 accomplish this without being obedient to the law.
     
  5. ace of hearts

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    Seems to me everything anyone says that doesn't agree with you isn't an answer.
     
  6. Kermos

    Kermos God is the Potter, and we are the clay.

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    By the grace of God, here is more scripture despite your wrong assertion about the absence of scripture in earlier posts, LoveGodsWord!

    First, here are four passages posted by Ace of Hearts that demonstrate your error, LoveGodsWord:

    Here's what Jesus taught -

    JN 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    JN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    JN 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    John also said -

    1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Praise God, well written Ace of Hearts!

    Second, I appreciate you providing the definition of G4137, so using the verious synonyms that you posted of "fulfilled" from the "Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4137" let's do some word replacement exercises for the word "fulfilled" in Romans 13:8, all of these are equivalent phrases:

    1) he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
    2) he who loves his neighbor has satisfied the law.
    3) he who loves his neighbor has executed the law.
    4) he who loves his neighbor has accomplished the law.
    5) he who loves his neighbor has completed the law.

    Amazing, all equivalent phrases, that number 5 is powerful, praise Jesus! I just must cite it again "he who loves his neighbor has completed the law" (Romans 13:8) becuase love completes the law. Thank you Jesus for number 2 as well with satisfies the law. Please note that in Romans 13:10 we find the Apostle Paul repeating, thus adding impact of importance, with the "love is the fulfillment of the law", and the English words "the fulfillment" translate from the Greek word pleroma G1438, just one higher than the G4137 that you posted. Paul really, really meant what the Holy Spirit caused him to write. I just love how the Holy Spirit works, praise be to God!

    You have the audacity to lie again about the Apostle Paul's writing in Romans 13:8 by trying to add "TO EXECUTE THE LAW (DOING; added)" for the Apostle Paul did not write "TO EXECUTE" rather he wrote "executed"; therefore, the evidence of your lie is manifest for all to see. The Holy Spirit has the passage state precisely what the passage means which is "he who loves his neighbor has satisfied the law". This is another example of your ungodly way, LoveGodsWord. It's Love, LoveGodsWord, just as God had me reveal to you and the other Judaizers in the "Do not commit adultery" post. Behold, it is Jesus who righteously did not sin and by His mercy we believers inherit his righteousness and are no longer in bondage. It is Jesus' words Paul is reflecting in Romans 13:8 and 13:10 where Jesus states "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12).

    Third, a straight line progression to expose the devil's fiendish plot in which you are ensnared, LoveGodsWord, is right here:

    1) In Matthew 22:37 Lord Jesus said "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND." references Deuteronomy 6:5.

    2) In Deuteronomy 6:5 it is written "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."

    3) Lord Jesus immediately followed His statement in Matthew 22:37 with Jesus' words in Matthew 22:38 of "This is the great and foremost commandment."

    4) Then Jesus Who is Lord of the Sabbath said "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'" in Matthew 22:39 referenceing Leviticus 19:18.

    5) In Leviticus 19:18 it is written "you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD."

    6) In Matthew 22:39, Jesus Christ said "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

    In your imaginations that you have been writing, LoveGodsWord, you post that your concept of "God's ETERNAL LAW" is the 10 commandments which your words indicate are binding; at the same time, you write that the your concept of the "MOSAIC Law" is no longer binding. You appear to use the chapter break of Deuteronomy 5 which contains the 10 commandments as a segregation/separation point from Deuteronomy 6 which you appear to call the MOSAIC Law. The preceding explanation of your imaginations are paraphrased based on your posts. Since Lord Jesus quotes both Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18, with a certain intensity for Deuteronomy 6:5 since He, the Word of God, said "This is the great and foremost commandment" in Matthew 22:38, then it is clear that the Lord Jesus considers Deuteronomy 6:5 valid! But according to your imaginations that you posted that is the "MOSAIC Law", so according to your words, it is no longer valid. Your words are quite contrary to the words of Adonai Yeshua! Again, Yeshua Messiach said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). Behold, there is the same word that you brought up before, LoveGodsWord, with G4137 with "fulfill" which can be translated to "complete". See God justify His Own with:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to complete" (Matthew 5:17)

    Savior and God, Jesus, used the word "complete". Wow! Praise God!

    Fourth, LoveGodsWord, because you are proven by the Word of God to be a liar who conjures up your own words to try to redefine what scripture clearly states according to the Holy Spirit; therefore, there is no need for anyone to go back to read your words in your previous posts. The father of lies is the devil, and you, LoveGodsWord, are proven to be a liar. Since you, LoveGodsWord, have no problem trying to twist the Word of God, I am not surprised when you tried to twist the words I wrote, so that is more evidence of your nature of deceit; nonetheless, your words trying to add to and subtract from the Word of God is terror because of the wrath of God Almighty!

    I apologize to everyone, and to God, for my previous inaccuracy for referencing Deuteronomy 6:4 which should have been Deuteronomy 6:5. To you be the glory, Jesus!

    May God release you, LoveGodsWord and the other Judaizers, from the grip of lies, that in Christ you be embraced in Truth being Jesus the Lord, that you fear the Lord which is the beginning of wisdom, and that you see that the Blood of Jesus sets men free for the Life is in the Blood!
     
  7. Selene03

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    Hosea 2:11 I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

    Of all ten commandments, the Sabbath is the only thing God will stop. Nowhere in the Bible did God ever say, I will take away the fifth commandment, the first commandment, the eighth commandment, the seventh commandment etc. It's only the third commandment that the Lord God says He will stop. The Old Sabbath was meant to be a temporary feast. Jews are still under the Old Covenant; therefore, they still keep the Sabbath. The Christians, on the other hand, are under the New Covenant.
     
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  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Your teaching God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which God's WORD says in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (Evil) has been done away with aren't you? No law = lawlessness. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

    God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken. God's WORD says that if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Indeed LOVE is the fulfilling (DOING) of God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10 and is how LOVE is expressed as we are BORN AGAIN to walk in God's SPIRIT *GALATIANS 5:16 by FAITH *2 CORINTHIANS 5:7 in his WORD *JOHN 17:17 and is why JESUS says; ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (Love to God and Love to man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

    The Pharisees tried to do the above in their own strength but failed. Do we have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42?

    CAN WE LOVE WHEN OUR HEART IS BROKEN?

    MATTHEW 12:34-35 [34], O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

    JEREMIAH 13:23 [23], Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

    JEREMIAH 17:9-10 [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    MATTHEW 15:19-20 [19], For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20], These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.

    JOHN 5:42 But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.

    ...........

    We break God's Commandments [SIN] because we do not LOVE.

    Yep looks like we have a broken heart that needs fixing as there is no LOVE in us without Jesus. With these thoughts in mind brother and looking at the scriptures here showing that we do not have the LOVE of GOD in us and we have a BROKEN HEART that cannot LOVE, what do you think the following scripture means?

    MATHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, THEY THAT BE WHOLE NEED NOT A PHYSICIAN BUT THEY THAT ARE SICK. [13], But GO LEARN WHAT THAT MEANS, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I AM NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTOUES BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.

    What do you think this scriputre means? If you do not KNOW that you are sick why would you go to a Physician?

    .............

    JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT, God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN Is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before GOD of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    If we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is then we have no need of a Saviour from SIN. If we have no need of a Saviour then we have no salvation because we are still in our sins. "They that be whole need not a Physician but they that are sick, go learn what that means. What do you think those scrptures mean?

    Sorry brother God's WORD no where in God's WORD teaches lawlessness. In the OLD TESTAMENT the world was destroyed because of lawlessness as those who continue in it will be destroyed at the second coming.

    Hope this helps.
     
  10. LoveGodsWord

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    God's WORD teaches that mankind are like trees.

    MARK 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

    MATTHEW 3:10 And now also the ax is laid to the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth GOOD FRUIT is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    All trees bring forth fruit *GENESIS 1:29. Mankind ate of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL and without God can only bring forth EVIL FRUIT (SIN)

    God's WORD says that our FRUIT represents what we DO...

    JEREMIAH 17:7-10
    [7], Blessed is the man that trusts in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
    [8], For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreads out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat comes, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
    [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the FRUIT OF HIS DOINGS.

    JEREMIAH 21:14 [14], But I will punish you according to the FRUIT OF YOUR DOINGS, said the LORD: and I will kindle a fire in the forest thereof, and it shall devour all things round about it.

    JEREMIAH 32:19 Great in counsel, and mighty in work: for your eyes are open on all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the FRUIT OF HIS DOINGS.

    MICAH 7:13 [13], Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the FRUIT OF THEIR DOINGS.

    Evil fruit (DOING) is breaking God's Commandments...

    HOSEA 10:13 [13], YOU HAVE PLOWED WICKEDNESS, YOU HAVE REAPED SIN; YOU HAVE EATEN THE FRUIT OF LIES: because you did trust in your way, in the multitude of your mighty men.

    God's WORD says that RIGHTOUESNESS (Right doing) is defines as God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172. RIGHTOUESNESS or OBEDIENCE to GOD'S COMMANDMENTS are a FRUIT

    AMOS 6:12 [12], Shall horses run on the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for you have turned judgment into gall, and THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS into hemlock:

    As shown in the OLD TESTAMENT scripture man is represented as a TREE that brings fourth EVIL FRUIT representing SIN and GOOD FRUIT (RIGHTOUESNESS) representing OBEDIENCE to God's ETERNAL LAW.

    JOHN the BAPTIST had the same message REPENTANCE is from SIN (Breaking God's commandments)...

    MATTHEW 3:8-10 [8], BRING FORTH THEREFORE FRUITS MEET FOR REPENTANCE: [9], And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say to you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. [10], And now also the ax is laid to the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    JESUS says the same thing here and that we can know who is from God and who is not here;

    MATTHEW 7:16-23
    [16], You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    [17], Even so EVERY GOOD TREE BRINGS FORTH GOOD FRUIT (as shown above; FRUIT IS DOING and GOOD represents RIGHTOUESNESS; OBEDIENCE to God's LAW); BUT A CURRUPT TREE BRINGS FORTH EVIL FRUIT (UNRIGHTOEUSNESS or SIN).
    [18], A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    [19], Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    [20], Why by their fruits you shall know them.
    [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
    [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (breaking God's Commnadments).

    Yep GOOD FRUIT represents OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (RIGHTEOUSNESS) and EVIL FRUIT as shown in the scriptures above represent SIN (Breaking God's LAW which is UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)

    Hope this helps
     
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    We need to be BORN again to LOVE brother in order to receive the NEW COVENANT promise to walk in God's Spirit to LOVE. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is. This is why JESUS says...

    JOHN 3:3-8
    [3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    [4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
    [5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    [6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    NOTE: what PAUL says that ties in nicely with what JESUS is teaching here about why we will not see the kingdom of Heaven if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) in ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

    [7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
    [8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    Now brother the question is why do we need to be Born again in the Spirit? As partly answered in ROMANS 8:13 above, if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) we will die because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    NOTE: how v6 ties in with 1 JOHN 2:1-4.

    [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    NOTE: What is JESUS coming to destroy? The works of the devil which is sin v8

    [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    NOTE: If we are BORN of GOD we are not practicing sin. WHY? because God's seed remains in us through faith. This is abiding in him and not sinning (known sin). What is the seed that needs to abide in us so we do not sin? *LUKE 8:11 Now this is the parable the seed is the Word of God.

    [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil (Not sinning and committing sin): whoever does not righteousness is not of God (PSALMS 119:172 All my commandments are righteousness), neither he that loves not his brother.

    Can you see brother you cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW?

    God's 10 commandments are the very expression of what God's LOVE is. We are not saved by keeping God's LAW we are saved by faith in God's WORD as LOVE is expressed through us *EPHESIANS 2:8. Walking in the Spirit brings the fruit of faith which is LOVE and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *GALATIONS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really. You have provided an OLD TESTAMENT scripture that is talking about the "SPECIAL ceremonial sabbaths connected to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

    These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

    These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

    * Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
    * Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
    * Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

    These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

    You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

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    Accoding to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Hope this helps
     
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  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Brother thanks for sharing your thoughts. Everything you have posted here has already been addressed section by section and scripture by scripture in the posts above and your only repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided to you that show your errors. If you believe I have missed somerthing let me know.

    Your name calling and bearing false witness is sad for you. If you disagree with anything I have posted you are free to prove your claims. So far you have not provided a single scripture to show God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Many posts and scriptures have been provided to you only in love as a help to you showing your errors of intepretation. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Without God's ETERNAL LAW we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. All posts and scriptures provided to you have only been sent in LOVE as a help to you.

    So far as shown in the previous posts, you have not addressed a single post and all the supporting scriptures in them that disagree with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS who says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

    These are God's WORD'S not mine. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. You are free to believe and do as you wish. Ignoring God's WORD however does not make it disappear. If you wish to have a discussion and share Gods WORD I am happy to do so. Until then we will have to agree to disagree. My prayer for you and everyone else here is that I will see you in God's KINGDOM.

    May God help you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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  14. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really brother. Your post has no truth in it as no one is claiming that we are saved by trying to keep God's LAW. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    As shown in post # 615 linked and elsewhere you cannot separate God's LOVE from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) because OBEDIENCE by FAITH in God's WORD is how God's LOVE is expressed to God and our fellow man *ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12 and is why JESUS says; ON THESE TWO Commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

    Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness (without law). God's WORD in the new covenant teaches that the purpose of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of sin when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Hope this helps.
     
  15. NeedyFollower

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    Well Yes ...It was significant that the Lord chose Saul /Paul off all people to be His ambassador to the gentile believers ...as according the law ...perfect ..a pharisee of the pharisees . But Paul understood that when our righteousness becomes the keeping of laws , spiritual pride may set in and then we may encompass land and sea , making prosylties and turning them into two fold more a child of hell ...Obviously there is a ditch on both sides in which to fall ..the other side being turning the grace of our Lord into license ...I strive to enter in the straight gate ..endeavoring for the faith once delivered to the saints but I know my hope is only my Lord Jesus Christ .
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Interesting thoughts these ones about the Scribes and the Pharisees because outwardly they appeared righteous to men until JESUS came along.

    When JESUS came however it was a different story. JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT. This is the NEW COVEANT promise to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    God bless.
     
  17. NeedyFollower

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    Brother ...I personally do not believe there is such a thing as secular work for one who endeavors to a be a slave of Jesus ....as the scripture says ... for all we do , in word or deed , do in the name of the Lord Jesus ..before Christ , I was very , very rich for I served myself . Now I work unto the Lord albeit not I but Christ who lives in me . I do not observe any holy days for every day belongs to God . Just as there is no longer any Holy Land . Jerusalem was replaced with the Jerusalem which is from above . Look what our apostle Paul said to the Galatians ...I am afraid for you ..for you observe days and months and years . The old covenant was truly fulfilled with a better covenant ..the old covenant was one day holy . The new covenant wrought by, for and through Jesus Christ to the Glory of God is Christ always . For He said I will never leave you nor forsake you ... The New Israel ..He who wrestles with God . And if the old was not replaced with a better , then Christ can not be our high priest for He is if the tribe of Judah. Paul gives allowance to those who esteem one day better than another and I will not do less .
     
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  18. Kermos

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    LoveGodsWord, you impose your words on the scripture. You fail to defend against the scripture posted because you can not, and you love your sin. Let me remind you of the scripture:

    Second, I appreciate you providing the definition of G4137, so using the verious synonyms that you posted of "fulfilled" from the "Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4137" let's do some word replacement exercises for the word "fulfilled" in Romans 13:8, all of these are equivalent phrases:

    1) he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
    2) he who loves his neighbor has satisfied the law.
    3) he who loves his neighbor has executed the law.
    4) he who loves his neighbor has accomplished the law.
    5) he who loves his neighbor has completed the law.

    Which clearly and decisively shines the light into your darkness because you did not and can not since the your words are not God's Word. You say that God's Word does not mean what God's Word means. Only a person with the Holy Spirit can understand God's Word, and you keep showing that you do not understand. And this:

    Again, Yeshua Messiach said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). Behold, there is the same word that you brought up before, LoveGodsWord, with G4137 with "fulfill" which can be translated to "complete". See God justify His Own with:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to complete" (Matthew 5:17)

    And, Master Jesus' words can be translated thusly too:

    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17)

    In this Jesus states that He satisfies the Law.

    You can not argue against this or you are arguing against God Himself! For this Almighty God said "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18).

    Oh, may the God of heaven and earth open your eyes. Stop fighting God, LoveGodsWord, because it is God that you are fighting against, not me, see Matthew 5:17.
     
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  19. NeedyFollower

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    Of course I agree . I am aware that many believers give one day to the Lord ..Saturday or Sunday . I believe this is a huge error ...The rest of the time is spent in idleness ( recreation ) provided it is "wholesome " . I see this in sabbath keepers and Lord's Day observers . God in his graciousness has given us a day of rest which Jesus had to explain to the hard headed and hard hearted religious leaders of his day . The sabbath was for man ..not man for the sabbath . But like everything , we corrupt even this . This I am sure of ..God does not need me . He does not need my worship . ( Worship comes from being known by Him and knowing Him . ) God needs nothing but His love desires that I understand that He is Life . And I know that every good and perfect gift is from above . I need Him for He is my all ...and I do not deserve to Love Him nor others ...I am learning to rest in Christ while I work . To rest in Him while I rest . To abide in Him every day . To be set apart ( Holy ) for Him every day ..How is this opposed to the ten commandments ? I have no life apart from Christ .
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really brother, your just repeating yourself again and making claims no one is saying to you. Please feel free to respond to the posts provided to you that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD brother and name calling does not make God's WORD disappear.

    Brother thanks for sharing your thoughts. Everything you have posted here has already been addressed section by section and scripture by scripture in the posts above and your only repeating yourself without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided to you that show your errors. If you believe I have missed somerthing let me know.

    Ignoring God's WORD, name calling and bearing false witness is sad for you. If you disagree with anything I have posted you are free to prove your claims. So far you have not provided a single scripture to show God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Many posts and scriptures have been provided to you only in love as a help to you showing your errors of intepretation. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Without God's ETERNAL LAW we have no KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. All posts and scriptures provided to you have only been sent in LOVE as a help to you.

    So far as shown in the previous posts, you have not addressed a single post and all the supporting scriptures in them that disagree with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS who says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

    These are God's WORD'S not mine. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. You are free to believe and do as you wish. Ignoring God's WORD however does not make it disappear. If you wish to have a discussion and share Gods WORD I am happy to do so. Until then we will have to agree to disagree. My prayer for you and everyone else here is that I will see you in God's KINGDOM.

    May God help you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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