WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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Back to the OP where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
 
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Not at all brother. We can have a conversation sharing God's WORD can't we? I love God's WORD don't you? Only God's WORD is true at the end of the day our opinions and our own words do not really matter unless they agree with Gods Word *ROMANS 3:4
The only conversation one can have with you is Yes and amen.
 
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Agreed. And that is true whether we are talking about "do not take God's name in vain" or we are talking about "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy".




On the contrary we agree there as well - that the New Birth - in fact the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 writes the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah and his readers on the heart. Resulting in the 2Cor 5 case of the new creation now in harmony with the Word of God rather than at war with it.



The Bible definition of the Holy Day that God made - is that no secular work may be done on it. Ex 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13.

by contrast - Paul says that you are condemned if you refrain from work all 7 days of the week. 2 Thess 3:10. In addition in Galatians 4 Paul flat out condemns anyone that would observe any of the pagan days as a holy day. Not even one is allowed.

And Christ points out in Mark 7:6-13 that even a "little" editing of the Word of God -- no matter how noble one thinks the reason is for doing so -- is that which invalidates worship "in vain do they worship Me".
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 
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Let's follow the teaching of Jesus.

In Mark 7:6-13 Jesus begins with "in vain do they worship Me" -- what was his complaint about them?

Well Yes ..It was very much the same in Isiah's day and in Amos' time ..solemn assemblies or they invented instruments of music like unto David ...doing lot's of things which they took to be worship but truth was far from them and their heart was cold both toward God and each other . It seems not much has changed . We can not love God unless we know Him . And we can not know Him unless we spend time with Him .

Certainly a lot of true statements there - but in the actual Mark 7:6-13 statement of Christ - He is very specific.

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

we can worship and make every day holy verses keeping one day holy.

The Bible says "God made it holy" Ex 20:11 Gen 2:3 ... it does not say "man made it holy".

We can choose to keep holy - (that is to comply with and honor) that which God has made holy ... or not.

But we cannot make something holy -- only God can.

"The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh) " Ex 20:10

To pursue the world and keep a Saturday Sabbath verses pursuing the world and observing a Sunday worship is not considerably different I would not suppose

If man is the author of scripture, the author of the commandments - the author of the Sabbath -- and man makes it holy... then you are right.

Jesus addresses that idea of commandments of men vs commandments of God in Mark 7.

Brother ..I would trust you are much more scriptural than I am and able to tear me to pieces with scriptural rhetoric and not necessarily untrue .

this is not about "tear to pieces" this is about taking Jesus at His word in Mark 7 as our teacher. And at the very least we as Christians are happy to have Jesus as our teacher.
 
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Brother ..I am not disagreeing with you . As I replied to the other brother ...unless the Lord build the house, they who labor , labor in vain. It is the absolute necessity of the new birth by God's Spirit . Be ye holy for I am holy ( 1st Peter 1:16 )

Agreed. And that is true whether we are talking about "do not take God's name in vain" or we are talking about "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy".


Where I would differ is I think the new birth allows us ( as you pointed out ) to be Holy by the blood of Christ ( You are correct ..I can not do anything. ) As Paul said , I run , yet not I but He who works in me .

On the contrary we agree there as well - that the New Birth - in fact the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 writes the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah and his readers on the heart. Resulting in the 2Cor 5 case of the new creation now in harmony with the Word of God rather than at war with it.

The 4th commandment is not abolished ...it is fulfilled but again ...I believe every day is holy and whereas you may have 6 profane days and one holy day

The Bible definition of the Holy Day that God made - is that no secular work may be done on it. Ex 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13.

by contrast - Paul says that you are condemned if you refrain from work all 7 days of the week. 2 Thess 3:10. In addition in Galatians 4 Paul flat out condemns anyone that would observe any of the pagan days as a holy day. Not even one is allowed.

And Christ points out in Mark 7:6-13 that even a "little" editing of the Word of God -- no matter how noble one thinks the reason is for doing so -- is that which invalidates worship "in vain do they worship Me".

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

"Judge not that you be not judged" Mark 7 while the Sabbath Commandment is in full force by every standard of Bible reading

-- that is "no change" before or after the cross.

Romans 14 does not mention the weekly Sabbath at all -

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;

Rather it talks about the Lev 23 annual sabbaths some of which were optional even in the OT.

But Gal 4 condemns the observance of even one - pagan holy day.
 
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Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

The Eph 2 commandments in ceremony having a distinction between Jew and Gentile where gentile is "far off" from God... ended just as Eph 2 states.
 
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The point of the "Do not commit adultery" post gets summed up in Romans 13:8-10, quoted here:

8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOUSHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Please notice these points, my friend:

1) In LoveGodsWord's post that responded to the "Do not commit adultery" post, LoveGodsWord has a word added in the text that does not exist in the Greek! If LoveGodsWord really loved God's Word, then LoveGodsWord would not have used "love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law" at the conclusion of verse 10 because the DOING in there twists the meaning of what the Apostle Paul wrote of "love is the fulfillment of the law" which means that "love is the fulfillment of the law" which, of course, agrees with Jesus' words already quoted elsewhere in this thread.

2) The order of commandments in the "Do not commit adultery" post is taken from Luke 18:20 except for the last commandment listed which shows Jesus referring to Deuteronomy 6:4, which according to LoveGodsWord's imagination is separated from "God's ETERNAL LAW", but according to Jesus the words of Deuteronomy 6:4 are "This is the great and foremost commandment" (Matthew 22:38). This is profound because Jesus is the very Word of God (John 1:1-4). Clearly Jesus establishes the relationship between:
A) Deuteronomy 5
B) Deuteronomy 6
C) Love

Thus, Jesus shows the value of ALL the Law given through Moses.

3) The One Who said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17) is the same God that said "It is finished" (John 19:30). Jesus fulfills the Law. God is Love (1 John 4:8). This all brings us back to the meaning of the "Do not commit adultery" post.

All the previous posts that the Lord Jesus has given me breath to post remain scripturally valid (despite the twisting by the Judaizers), and the Word of God contained in them is true to context which is primarily to elevate Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. They repeatedly expose the adding to and subtracting from the Word of God by the Judaizers. The devil trys to twist the goodness of the Word of God into something evil; however, victory is Jesus'! The Law is good. Judaizers, cease twisting your words as scripture, and think differently from now on for the Kingdom of God is at hand!
 
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Let's follow the teaching of Jesus.

In Mark 7:6-13 Jesus begins with "in vain do they worship Me" -- what was his complaint about them?
Yes by all means, let's follow the teaching of Jesus.

Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Certainly a lot of true statements there - but in the actual Mark 7:6-13 statement of Christ - He is very specific.

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Yes sir there's a lot of truth in that passage. Of course you mean you're keeping the law. Proof of the pudding is you don't and by Scripture from the OT to boot.
The Bible says "God made it holy" Ex 20:11 Gen 2:3 ... it does not say "man made it holy".
Nothing in Genesis about the sabbath. The fourth and Gen 2 is proof.
We can choose to keep holy - (that is to comply with and honor) that which God has made holy ... or not.

But we cannot make something holy -- only God can.

"The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (yhwh) " Ex 20:10
Yes you can.

Gal 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
If man is the author of scripture, the author of the commandments - the author of the Sabbath -- and man makes it holy... then you are right.

Jesus addresses that idea of commandments of men vs commandments of God in Mark 7.
Yes He does. Please read my above quotes from John, again.
this is not about "tear to pieces" this is about taking Jesus at His word in Mark 7 as our teacher. And at the very least we as Christians are happy to have Jesus as our teacher.
I do, now when are you?
 
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The point of the "Do not commit adultery" post gets summed up in Romans 13:8-10, quoted here:

8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOUSHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Please notice these points, my friend:

1) In LoveGodsWord's post that responded to the "Do not commit adultery" post, LoveGodsWord has a word added in the text that does not exist in the Greek! If LoveGodsWord really loved God's Word, then LoveGodsWord would not have used "love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law" at the conclusion of verse 10 because the DOING in there twists the meaning of what the Apostle Paul wrote of "love is the fulfillment of the law" which means that "love is the fulfillment of the law" which, of course, agrees with Jesus' words already quoted elsewhere in this thread.

2) The order of commandments in the "Do not commit adultery" post is taken from Luke 18:20 except for the last commandment listed which shows Jesus referring to Deuteronomy 6:4, which according to LoveGodsWord's imagination is separated from "God's ETERNAL LAW", but according to Jesus the words of Deuteronomy 6:4 are "This is the great and foremost commandment" (Matthew 22:38). This is profound because Jesus is the very Word of God (John 1:1-4). Clearly Jesus establishes the relationship between:
A) Deuteronomy 5
B) Deuteronomy 6
C) Love

Thus, Jesus shows the value of ALL the Law given through Moses.

3) The One Who said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17) is the same God that said "It is finished" (John 19:30). Jesus fulfills the Law. God is Love (1 John 4:8). This all brings us back to the meaning of the "Do not commit adultery" post.

All the previous posts that the Lord Jesus has given me breath to post remain scripturally valid (despite the twisting by the Judaizers), and the Word of God contained in them is true to context which is primarily to elevate Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. They repeatedly expose the adding to and subtracting from the Word of God by the Judaizers. The devil trys to twist the goodness of the Word of God into something evil; however, victory is Jesus'! The Law is good. Judaizers, cease twisting your words as scripture, and think differently from now on for the Kingdom of God is at hand!

You cannot respond to the posts and scriptures provided to you brother that disagree with you can you. Your ignoring a lot of posts and scriptures provided only sent in love as a help to you and sadly continue with your name calling and saying thing I have never said or posted. This is sad for you. If you disagree with anything I have posted. Respond to the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you section by section and scripture by scripture as has been done to all your posts. If you cannot ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear brother. We all answer to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Agreed. And that is true whether we are talking about "do not take God's name in vain" or we are talking about "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy".

On the contrary we agree there as well - that the New Birth - in fact the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 writes the "LAW of God" known to Jeremiah and his readers on the heart. Resulting in the 2Cor 5 case of the new creation now in harmony with the Word of God rather than at war with it.
That law isn't the same as the law given to Israel according to your reference from Jeremiah. Only those who reject parts of the NT are at war with Scripture and the saints.
The Bible definition of the Holy Day that God made - is that no secular work may be done on it. Ex 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13.
Who and what does that include?
by contrast - Paul says that you are condemned if you refrain from work all 7 days of the week. 2 Thess 3:10. In addition in Galatians 4 Paul flat out condemns anyone that would observe any of the pagan days as a holy day. Not even one is allowed.
You're also condemn if you don't work (employed) 6 days a week. You sin if you take 2 days a week off.
And Christ points out in Mark 7:6-13 that even a "little" editing of the Word of God -- no matter how noble one thinks the reason is for doing so -- is that which invalidates worship "in vain do they worship Me".
Sure enough. Why then do you edit it?
"Judge not that you be not judged" Mark 7 while the Sabbath Commandment is in full force by every standard of Bible reading
Great advice. Where does the NT say the sabbath is still in force?
-- that is "no change" before or after the cross.
Yes we know you don't believe we have a new covenant.
Romans 14 does not mention the weekly Sabbath at all -

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord;
Do you esteem any day?
Rather it talks about the Lev 23 annual sabbaths some of which were optional even in the OT.

But Gal 4 condemns the observance of even one - pagan holy day.
There's no optional holy days found in Lev 23. In fact it starts off with the weekly sabbath in verses 2-3.
 
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1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" where the "fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

The Eph 2 commandments in ceremony having a distinction between Jew and Gentile where gentile is "far off" from God... ended just as Eph 2 states.
Since it matters so much why isn't you're not in compliance?

Please explain Jn 15:10.

Please show where there's a distinction in commandments in Eph 2.
 
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Shabath is the rest the Lord entered into on the seventh day to sanctify it as a Holy day(Genesis 2:2-3). It is the Same rest that we enter into on the seventh day.
No it isn't. The sabbath is a periodic physical rest. The 4th commandment clearly says "wherefore" in Exodus and therefore in Deuteronomy. The Hebrew word is "ken" meaning so, thus. The word "thus" means - as a result or consequence of this; therefore. The word "therefore" means - for that reason; consequently. Simply stated we use the word because.
7673. shabath
cause to, let, make to cease, celebrate, cause make to fail

A primitive root; to repose, i.e. Desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific) -- (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
H7673 shabath is a verb and has no relationship with the word shabbath is a noun. You can say the words are related all you want. That simply doesn't mean nor imply they're the same. H7676 shabbath (sabbath) doesn't appear in Genesis.
Hebrews 4:9(when paired with verses 3,4,6,10,11) says it is speaking of the Same rest that the Lord entered into on the seventh day when he was finished with his works from the foundation of the world. So it is indeed speaking of the same rest given in multiple places in the bible(Hebrews 4:4,5,7), a physical rest from our own work that we may devote ourselves wholly to the Lord on that day(seventh day/Sabbath).
I can agree with that. Shabath even as you c&ped means to desist. Desist means - cease; abstain. In legal terms a judge grants a cease and desist order - meaning do not do again. That is the same as the regular definition. Hosea 2:11 uses the word "shabath" about the "shabbath."
Hebrews 4:9 rest
greek 4520 sabbatismos
rest.

From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.
You can say that all you wish. It doesn't equate to the sabbath. The subject of Hebrew 4 is rest ans specifically the rest of God by context. The subject isn't the sabbath. Sabbaton nor any of it's forms appear in Heb 4. Check your concordance and or interlinear.
which comes from the word
greek 4521 sabbaton
Sabbath day

Of Hebrew origin (shabbath); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. The interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications -- sabbath (day), week.

which comes from
Hebrew Shabbath 7676
every Sabbath
You have no argument from me here. Both the Hebrew and Greek are nouns. Shabath is a verb and so is katapauō in Heb 4:4. Neither imply a periodic rest. Both imply a permanent rest opposed to a mere pause.
Intensive from shabath; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath -- (+ every) sabbath.

which leads to
Hebrew 7673 Shabath
cause to, let, make to cease, celebrate, cause make to fail
Your definition above "intermission" means pause. It doesn't mean cease.

A primitive root; to repose, i.e. Desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific) -- (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.[/quote]So I suppose you have a verse that backs this up. Please quote it or them. I don't know of any such passages that include both.
The only thing being spoken of in Hebrews 4 up until verse 12 is the Sabbath day or seventh day rest. That those who came before us did not enter into because of unbelief(Hebrews 4:11).
Not by anything I can find. It talks specifically about the rest of God. It doesn't talk about the sabbath, a periodic rest from labor. God didn't pause or take a periodic rest from His work in Genesis 2.
Hebrews 4:1-11
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Even the English rendition testifies against you.
Yes through/in the Lord we are refreshed and find rest. That is true, but Matt 11:28-30 does not say that he is the seventh day rest/Sabbath rest. Instead he says that in him we will find rest in our souls(Matt 11:29) a rest in our spirit that we cannot find apart from Christ. As the Lord has said there is no peace for the wicked(Isaiah 48:22).
OK Mat 11:28-30 doesn't say Jesus is the sabbath. It does say and offer something sabbath keeping people didn't have even though they kept the physical rest of the sabbath from their labor. Jesus is offering the rest of God, not the sabbath. It can legitimately be said Jesus is our sabbatismos.
Also remember Exodus 20:10 that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord, as brother Bobryan pointed out already.
Yes and Rom 10:4 says Jesus is the end of the law... Gal 3:19 clearly says the law was for a season by using the words "added" and "till." The Gospel of Luke says the law was until John.

Now if you want to claim the law is required for the Christian, I quote -

1 Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
 
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No it isn't. The sabbath is a periodic physical rest. The 4th commandment clearly says "wherefore" in Exodus and therefore in Deuteronomy. The Hebrew word is "ken" meaning so, thus. The word "thus" means - as a result or consequence of this; therefore. The word "therefore" means - for that reason; consequently. Simply stated we use the word because.H7673 shabath is a verb and has no relationship with the word shabbath is a noun. You can say the words are related all you want. That simply doesn't mean nor imply they're the same. H7676 shabbath (sabbath) doesn't appear in Genesis.I can agree with that. Shabath even as you c&ped means to desist. Desist means - cease; abstain. In legal terms a judge grants a cease and desist order - meaning do not do again. That is the same as the regular definition. Hosea 2:11 uses the word "shabath" about the "shabbath."You can say that all you wish. It doesn't equate to the sabbath. The subject of Hebrew 4 is rest ans specifically the rest of God by context. The subject isn't the sabbath. Sabbaton nor any of it's forms appear in Heb 4. Check your concordance and or interlinear.You have no argument from me here. Both the Hebrew and Greek are nouns. Shabath is a verb and so is katapauō in Heb 4:4. Neither imply a periodic rest. Both imply a permanent rest opposed to a mere pause.Your definition above "intermission" means pause. It doesn't mean cease.

A primitive root; to repose, i.e. Desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific) -- (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
Well brother, I don't want to argue with you. No matter what I say or what I show you out of the bible your not going to accept. So this is where I leave the conversation.

May God bless and Guide you as you seek the truth of His word.
 
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The point of the "Do not commit adultery" post gets summed up in Romans 13:8-10, quoted here:

8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOUSHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Please notice these points, my friend:

1) In LoveGodsWord's post that responded to the "Do not commit adultery" post, LoveGodsWord has a word added in the text that does not exist in the Greek! If LoveGodsWord really loved God's Word, then LoveGodsWord would not have used "love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law" at the conclusion of verse 10 because the DOING in there twists the meaning

to fulfill the imperative to go the speed limit - what you "do" is not speed beyond that limit. Nothing else "fulfills" that imperative.

To fulfill the imperative to not take God's name in vain -- what you "do" is - not take God's name in vain. Nothing else "fulfills" that imperative.

To fulfill the imperative to honor your parents - what you "do" is honor your parents. Nothing else fulfills that imperative.

If someone orders "six towels" you cannot "fulfill" that order without six towels. To fulfill a command is to comply with it.

In the same way to "fulfill the prediction" that Christ would come and die for the sins of the world - He had to "do something".
 
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Hello Kermos, some comments for your consideration below.

The point of the "Do not commit adultery" post gets summed up in Romans 13:8-10, quoted here:

8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOUSHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Indeed this was posted to you with supporting scriptures to show that you cannot have LOVE without GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) like your trying to promote. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

You cannot separate God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) from LOVE because OBEDIENCE to GOD's LAW through FAITH is how God's LOVE is expressed.

ROMANS 13:8-10
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for HE WHO HAS LOVED HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it IS SUMMED UP IN THE SAYING, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Love your neighbor as your self is from LEVITICUS 19:18 it is summing up the commandment that are to do with our duty of LOVE for our fellow man *ROMANS 13:8-10

The practical application here can be seen in these examples.

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORE AS YOURSELF (Leviticus 19:18)

* If you love your neighbor will you dishonor your parents? (Exodus 20:12)
* If you love your neighbor will you kill him? (Exodus 20:13)
* If you love your neighbor will you commit adultery with their spouse? (Exodus 20:14)
* If you love your neighbor will you steal from them? (Exodus 20:15)
* If you love your neighbor will you lie to them? (Exodus 20:16)
* If you love your neighbor will you covet or be jealous of them? (Exodus 20:17).

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART MIND AND SOUL (Deuteronomy 6:5)

* If you love God will you have other gods before him? (Exodus 20:3)
* If you love God will you make yourself idols and worship them? (Exodus 20:4-5)
* If you love God will you take his name in vain (Exodus 20:7)
* If you love God will you forget his Sabbath memorial of creation? (Exodus 20:8-11)

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13 and need to be BORN AGAIN and changed from the INSIDE OUT.

What does Jesus say when he talks about the commandments and love? Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.
in MATTHEW let's have a look...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

JESUS does not separate LOVE to GOD and man from God's 10 commandments. He says on these two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets. Let's get clearer...

MATTHEW 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
[20], The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

[21], Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James...

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What your missing here and not seeing is the NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE written in the heart is expressed through God's LAW not apart from it.

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

We need to be BORN again to LOVE brother in order to receive the NEW COVENANT promise walk in God's LAW which is the very expression of what LOVE is. This is why JESUS says...

JOHN 3:3-8
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

NOTE: what PAUL says that ties in nicely with what JESUS is teaching here about why we will not see the kingdom of Heaven if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) in ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
[8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now brother the question is why do we need to be Born again in the Spirit? As partly answered in ROMANS 8:13 above, if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) we will die because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Let's look at what it means to be Born again and to walk in God's Spirit and the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil...

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

NOTE: how v6 ties in with 1 JOHN 2:1-4.

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

NOTE: What is JESUS coming to destroy? The works of the devil which is sin v8

[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: If we are BORN of GOD we are not practicing sin. WHY? because God's seed remains in us through faith. This is abiding in him and not sinning (known sin). What is the seed that needs to abide in us so we do not sin? *LUKE 8:11 Now this is the parable the seed is the Word of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil (Not sinning and committing sin): whoever does not righteousness is not of God (PSALMS 119:172 All my commandments are righteousness), neither he that loves not his brother.

Can you see brother you cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW?

God's 10 commandments are the very expression of what God's LOVE is. We are not saved by keeping God's LAW we are saved by faith in God's WORD as LOVE is expressed through us *EPHESIANS 2:8. Walking in the Spirit brings the fruit of faith which is LOVE and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *GALATIONS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

Hope this helps.
 
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Please notice these points, my friend:
1) In LoveGodsWord's post that responded to the "Do not commit adultery" post, LoveGodsWord has a word added in the text that does not exist in the Greek! If LoveGodsWord really loved God's Word, then LoveGodsWord would not have used "love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law" at the conclusion of verse 10 because the DOING in there twists the meaning of what the Apostle Paul wrote of "love is the fulfillment of the law" which means that "love is the fulfillment of the law" which, of course, agrees with Jesus' words already quoted elsewhere in this thread.

Not really my friend ROMANS 13:8-10 was supported with with a stack of scripture to show that God's LAW is expressed through the fruit of OBEDIENCE by faith in God's WORD. You simply ignored the scriptures posted to you. Ignoring God's WORD my friend and calling other people names does not make God's WORD disappear. We will all answer to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Of course LOVE is DOING what do you think is the intent of the meaning in ROMANS 13:8-10? Are you loving your neighbor if you MURDER HIM? Are you loving your neighbor if you commit adultery with their spouse? Are you loving your neighbore if you bear false witness against them? Are you loving your neighbore by stealing from them?

ROMANS 13:8-10
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for HE WHO HAS LOVED HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it IS SUMMED UP IN THE SAYING, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G4137
πληρόω; plēroō play-ro'-o From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), SATISFY, EXECUTE (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - ACCOMPLISH, X after, (be) COMPLETE, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

The CONTEXT is HE WHO HAS LOVED HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW πεπληρωκεν νομον. FULFILLED πεπληρωκεν together with νομον the LAW (the CONTEXT being God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments quoted) means TO EXECUTE THE LAW (DOING; added); TO SATISFY THE LAW; TO FINISH THE LAW (a period OR TASK); ACCOMPLISH THE LAW; COMPLETE THE LAW.

Therefor if as posted earlier;

IF WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORE (Leviticus 19:18)

* If you love your neighbor you will not kill him (Exodus 20:13)
* If you love your neighbor you will not commit adultery with their spouse (Exodus 20:14)
* If you love your neighbor you will not steal from them (Exodus 20:15)
* If you love your neighbor you will not lie to them (Exodus 20:16)
* If you love your neighbor you will not covet or be jealous of them (Exodus 20:17).
etc...

Now brother are you claiming that we can love our neigbore and kill them? LOVE IS THE FULFILLING (SATISFYING; EXECUTING, COMPLETING; ACCOMPLISHING; Yep which is DOING the LAW. :)

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps
 
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2) The order of commandments in the "Do not commit adultery" post is taken from Luke 18:20 except for the last commandment listed which shows Jesus referring to Deuteronomy 6:4, which according to LoveGodsWord's imagination is separated from "God's ETERNAL LAW", but according to Jesus the words of Deuteronomy 6:4 are "This is the great and foremost commandment" (Matthew 22:38). This is profound because Jesus is the very Word of God (John 1:1-4). Clearly Jesus establishes the relationship between: A) Deuteronomy 5 B) Deuteronomy 6 C) Love
Thus, Jesus shows the value of ALL the Law given through Moses.

Now brother if you read my responding post to you in post # 579 linked, does it say I am separating God's ETERNAL LAW from LOVE? I suggest you read the post before trying to respond to it. The very first words to you after saying hello was

LGW wrote: You cannot separate God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) from LOVE because OBEDIENCE to GOD's LAW through FAITH is how God's LOVE is expressed.

Then the post went on to provide supporting scriptures for this statement.

I think your getting your posts and scriptures a little mixed up here brother. Don't you mean LEVITICUS 19:18? Your reference to LUKE 18:20 is JESUS quoting our duty of LOVE to our neighbor. DEUTERONOMY 6:5 is talking about our duty of LOVE to GOD. This was posted to you already. Your mixing up your scriptures. I think you mean DEUTERONOMY 6:5 is in REFERENCE to MATTHEW 22:36-40 don't you? Go and check your rederences brother and try posting again when you have worked out what you wish to share. You do know that I already posted everything your trying to say here in post # 579 linked. If you read the post and the scriptures in it you would know that. So please stop trying to say things already posted to you. If you want to say things posted to you then quote the correct scriptures.

Also, what imagination. You were posted the scripture references showing God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are FOREVER. Your response was to ignore the post and the scriptures that show God's 10 commandments are ETERNAL. Ignoring God's WORD brother does not make it dissappear.

GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments)

Now let's bring your claims here to the light of God's WORD and let God's WORD judge what you are claiming shall we? Your claim is that God's LAW (10 Commandments) are not ETERNAL right? What does God's WORD say about GOD'S LAW (10 commandment) that were spoken by GOD and written with God's own finger on tables of Stone?

1. God's Law (10 Commandments) was spoken alone by God himself to His people *EXODUS 20:1-22.

Did GOD directly speak the 10 commandments with his own words YES/NO? If YES then according to the scriptures does God's WORD pass away YES/NO?

Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY MATTHEW 25:35.

ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

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2. According to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's WORD also says..

PSALMS 119:142-143 Your RIGHTOEUSNES is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

Clearly the scripture here states that God's RIGHTOUESNESS IS EVERLASTING (ETERNALAL). God's WORD then defines what RIGHTOUESNESS is.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Now if God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING and God's WORD DEFINES God's RIGHTESOUNESS as ALL OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, then God's COMMANDMENTS are EVERLASTING (ETERNAL).

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3. God's LAW (10 COMMANDMENTS) were not only the SPOKEN WORD of GOD that God's WORD says is eternal, and God's RIGHTEOUSNESS which is ETERNAL, they are also the sole WORK of GOD alone written with God's own finger on tables of stone.

EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

Clearly God's word shows that God is the author and maker of the 10 commandments. They are the WORK of GOD alone. What does God's WORD say about what GOD does?

ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

Did God make the 10 commandments YES/NO? Are the 10 Commandments the work of God alone YES/NO? If YES do you believe God's WORD that says WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER? God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the WORK of GOD alone and God's WORD alone once again says that GOD'S LAW is FOREVER (ETERNAL).

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's WORD God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD aone, All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

This is the reason of this OP. JESUS says all those who FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD are not following GOD *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

Now if there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and no commandment that says Sunday is now a HOLY day, who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW, GOD or man *ROMANS 3:4?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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3) The One Who said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17) is the same God that said "It is finished" (John 19:30). Jesus fulfills the Law. God is Love (1 John 4:8). This all brings us back to the meaning of the "Do not commit adultery" post.
All the previous posts that the Lord Jesus has given me breath to post remain scripturally valid (despite the twisting by the Judaizers), and the Word of God contained in them is true to context which is primarily to elevate Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords. They repeatedly expose the adding to and subtracting from the Word of God by the Judaizers. The devil trys to twist the goodness of the Word of God into something evil; however, victory is Jesus'! The Law is good. Judaizers, cease twisting your words as scripture, and think differently from now on for the Kingdom of God is at hand!

Hmm all I hear brother are you words posted arguing with God's WORD and name calling. This is sad for you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. *ROMANS 3:4. You know brother it is JESUS who says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not mine.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

In fact the scriptures are very clear and show who God's people are.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

REVELATION 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

NOTE: In scripture a pure woman represents God's people [Church] Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27

REVELATION 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVELATION 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Notice God's people keep ALL of God's Commandments through FAITH in Christ?

Sorry brother these are God's WORD not mine. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Hope this helps.
 
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After 30 pages no one still agrees with you.

Well that is not true. But this is.. After 30 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....:)
 
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