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Featured WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    We should worship God everyday. That has never been the issue.

    What is the issue is that God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11, is to REMEMBER God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and not to do any of our own WORK on it. The DAY in God's time starts from FRIDAY SUNSET to SATURDAY SUNSET our time.

    God bless
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Now after 33 pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

    The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

    1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

    2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

    3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

    4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

    5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

    6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

    7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

    8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

    9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

    10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

    11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

    12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

    13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

    14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

    15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

    16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

    17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

    18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

    19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

    21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

    22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

    23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

    25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

    26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

    27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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    Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

    God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

    MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
    [3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
    [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
    [5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
    [6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
    [7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
    [8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

    Look forward to your thoughts...
     
  3. Kermos

    Kermos God is the Potter, and we are the clay.

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    LoveGodsWord,

    The first about Romans 13:8, you answered in your words, not God's Word.

    The second about "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17), the very Word of God speaking, you have not answered because you can not answer without imposing your imaginations to try to twist the Word of God.

    May God open your eyes to the glorious Truth!
     
  4. NeedyFollower

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    How many slaves do their own work ? You understand that the 10 commandments were given as a shadow , right ? Many people live selfish lives 6 days a week and then honor God on the Sabbath or on Sunday . In the Old Covenant , the Day does indeed start at Friday Sunset to Saturday Sunset . Who's work will you do then ? Yours or God's ? And when it is over , who's servant are you ? Are you still a servant of your master or do you become your own master until next Friday ? Do you see the problem with this kind of thinking ? Jesus did . So did Paul .
    Dear Brother ...And if you keep the Old Covenant Sabbath as you have every right to do , be careful that it not become your righteousness for it will lift you up in pride and you will take a seat at the feast that very well may be reserved for those who were burnt at the stake for their testimony though they observed a Sunday day of Worship and gathering . ) Were they breaking the law or fulfilling ?..I prefer that you not answer .
     
  5. ace of hearts

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    The famous 10 aren't God's eternal law as you contend.

    Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    Since I believe the above, I also believe -

    Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    IOW Jesus didn't bring nor teach the law.

    LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    I also posted about lifestyle from the Gospels as taught by Jesus. It seems you believe one can live wickedly and not compliant with Jn 13:34 or practicing Lk 6:31. I just don't see how. So please explain how any one can be living a wicked lifestyle if the abide by those words.
    Yes if you're a law keeper, well one who claims to keep the law since the Scripture say you can't.
    Thanks for posting this again. You saved me a lot of trouble looking for a post with this in it. This is where you claim one doesn't have salvation unless they keep the law (famous 10 specifically the sabbath).
    In your dreams maybe.
     
  6. ace of hearts

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    Even the mafia does good works while they live a very wicked lifestyle. They most definitely aren't doing the works of the law. IOW I'm tired of your false line of reasoning.
    I've no idea why you'd suggest this?
    LGW I find in reading these passages you have a problem. I just can't get over your continual condemnation. Your last verse takes the cake.I shouldn't and am not be surprised.
    Like I said you've got a problem because you sin on a regular basis based on your claims about keeping the law.
    I don't know LGW, remember I'm a liar and you insinuate I'm also ignorant by your above comment. NTL I'll take a guess, you need a physician. And since you didn't explain it I'd guess you're ignorant or at least no bright enough to explain it.
    Here's one of your favorites you even reference above -

    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    This verse you refer to often testifies against your statement above about coming to magnify the law. You say your reference magnifies the law. I say it changes the law. The repeated "but I say" phrase proves my point.
    The above is a double minded statement.
    Read Rom 4. The righteousness God requires is by His declaration only. Our righteousness however obtained is filthy rags. You do know what filthy rags are, don't you?
    I don't teach wickedness. I quoted what I teach to you from the Gospels. You choose to ignore that.
     
  7. ace of hearts

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    Your words of venom post has nothing to do with anything I said.

    May the words of your post be heaped upon you.
     
  8. ace of hearts

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    Your problem is I read Gal 5.
     
  9. ace of hearts

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    Hosea 2:11 is a list of holy days also found in Lev 23 of which the first in the list is the weekly sabbath in the plural here because of their great number.
     
  10. ace of hearts

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    It doesn't when you start you response calling me a liar.
     
  11. ace of hearts

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    It's very obvious you didn't read 5:17 or throw it out.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Of course I read Matthew 5:17 and also 18-22; 31-32 that show your interpretation is in error of v17. You think v17 is saying God's 10 Commandments are abolished. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. The next verses 18-22; 31-32 JESUS is magnifying God's 10 commandments and applying them to our very thoughts and feelings. V17 is JESUS stating that he FULFILLS all the SHADOW laws and prophecies of the OLD COVENANT and by his example perfectly obeys God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments). Who is your example?

    Hope this helps.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really brother. Gods WORD does not need my words. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are establsihed through LOVE. This is why JESUS says; ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS of LOVE HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. They are God's WORD not mine and God's WORD says...

    ROMANS 13:8-10
    8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for HE WHO HAS LOVED HIS NEIGHBOR HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it IS SUMMED UP IN THE SAYING, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

    Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. In the NEW COVENANT God's WORD says that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when they are broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's WORD says that God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:80-11 that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. It is God's WORD again that says if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. According to God's WORD, All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. These are God's WORD not mine brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

    Sorry brother but it is God's WORD that disagrees with you.
     
  14. LoveGodsWord

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    God's ETERNAL LAW are not a SHADOW law of anything. It is God's WORD that says God's LAW (10 Commandments) are God's ETERNAL LAW. These scriptures were posted earlier.

    1. God's Law (10 Commandments) was spoken alone by God himself to His people *EXODUS 20:1-22.

    Did GOD directly speak the 10 commandments with his own words YES/NO? If YES then according to the scriptures does God's WORD pass away YES/NO?

    Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY MATTHEW 25:35.

    ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

    1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

    LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

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    2. According to God's WORD, God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's WORD also says..

    PSALMS 119:142-143 Your RIGHTOEUSNES is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

    Clearly the scripture here states that God's RIGHTOUESNESS IS EVERLASTING (ETERNALAL). God's WORD then defines what RIGHTOUESNESS is.

    PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Now if God's RIGHTOUESNESS is EVERLASTING and God's WORD DEFINES God's RIGHTESOUNESS as ALL OF GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, then God's COMMANDMENTS are EVERLASTING (ETERNAL).

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    3. God's LAW (10 COMMANDMENTS) were not only the SPOKEN WORD of GOD that God's WORD says is eternal, and God's RIGHTEOUSNESS which is ETERNAL, they are also the sole WORK of GOD alone written with God's own finger on tables of stone.

    EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

    Clearly God's word shows that God is the author and maker of the 10 commandments. They are the WORK of GOD alone. What does God's WORD say about what GOD does?

    ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

    Did God make the 10 commandments YES/NO? Are the 10 Commandments the work of God alone YES/NO? If YES do you believe God's WORD that says WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER? God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the WORK of GOD alone and God's WORD alone once again says that GOD'S LAW is FOREVER (ETERNAL).

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    God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) are not a shadow of anything. They are how our LOVE to GOD and our fellow man are expressed and the NEW COVENANT promise of God's LAW of LOVE written in the HEART through FAITH so that we can follow God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    Let's look at the example of the God's 4th commandment which is the one in question here.

    God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK as a part of the FINISHED WORK of craetion when mankind was in PERFECT HARMONY with God BEFORE SIN entered the world *GENESIS 2:1-3. Now how can God's 4th commandment be a SHADOW law when there was NO SIN and the SABBATH was made as part of the FINISHED WORK of creation?

    Your mixing up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 written by MOSES and given after SIN and the fall of mankind that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation from SIN under the NEW COVENANT.

    Hope this helps
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Your teaching God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which God's WORD says in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is (Evil) has been done away with aren't you? No law = lawlessness. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Interesting thoughts these ones about the Scribes and the Pharisees because outwardly they appeared righteous to men until JESUS came along.

    When JESUS came however it was a different story. JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT. This is the NEW COVEANT promise to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    God bless.
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Well that is not true. Your claim was that the fruit does not represent GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in God's WORD. You were provided the scriptures showing that God's WORD disagrees with you.

    God's WORD teaches that mankind are like trees.

    MARK 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

    MATTHEW 3:10 And now also the ax is laid to the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth GOOD FRUIT is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    All trees bring forth fruit *GENESIS 1:29. Mankind ate of the tree of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL and without God can only bring forth EVIL FRUIT (SIN)

    God's WORD says that our FRUIT represents what we DO...

    JEREMIAH 17:7-10
    [7], Blessed is the man that trusts in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
    [8], For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreads out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat comes, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
    [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the FRUIT OF HIS DOINGS.

    JEREMIAH 21:14 [14], But I will punish you according to the FRUIT OF YOUR DOINGS, said the LORD: and I will kindle a fire in the forest thereof, and it shall devour all things round about it.

    JEREMIAH 32:19 Great in counsel, and mighty in work: for your eyes are open on all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the FRUIT OF HIS DOINGS.

    MICAH 7:13 [13], Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the FRUIT OF THEIR DOINGS.

    Evil fruit (DOING) is breaking God's Commandments...

    HOSEA 10:13 [13], YOU HAVE PLOWED WICKEDNESS, YOU HAVE REAPED SIN; YOU HAVE EATEN THE FRUIT OF LIES: because you did trust in your way, in the multitude of your mighty men.

    God's WORD says that RIGHTOUESNESS (Right doing) is defines as God's Commandments *PSALMS 119:172. RIGHTOUESNESS or OBEDIENCE to GOD'S COMMANDMENTS are a FRUIT

    AMOS 6:12 [12], Shall horses run on the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for you have turned judgment into gall, and THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS into hemlock:

    As shown in the OLD TESTAMENT scripture man is represented as a TREE that brings fourth EVIL FRUIT representing SIN and GOOD FRUIT (RIGHTOUESNESS) representing OBEDIENCE to God's ETERNAL LAW.

    JOHN the BAPTIST had the same message REPENTANCE is from SIN (Breaking God's commandments)...

    MATTHEW 3:8-10 [8], BRING FORTH THEREFORE FRUITS MEET FOR REPENTANCE: [9], And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say to you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. [10], And now also the ax is laid to the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    JESUS says the same thing here and that we can know who is from God and who is not here;

    MATTHEW 7:16-23
    [16], You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    [17], Even so EVERY GOOD TREE BRINGS FORTH GOOD FRUIT (as shown above; FRUIT IS DOING and GOOD represents RIGHTOUESNESS; OBEDIENCE to God's LAW); BUT A CURRUPT TREE BRINGS FORTH EVIL FRUIT (UNRIGHTOEUSNESS or SIN).
    [18], A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    [19], Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    [20], Why by their fruits you shall know them.
    [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
    [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (breaking God's Commnadments).

    Yep GOOD FRUIT represents OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (RIGHTEOUSNESS) and EVIL FRUIT as shown in the scriptures above represent SIN (Breaking God's LAW which is UNRIGHTEOUSNESS)

    Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    We need to be BORN again to LOVE brother in order to receive the NEW COVENANT promise to walk in God's Spirit to LOVE. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is. This is why JESUS says...

    JOHN 3:3-8
    [3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    [4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
    [5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    [6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    NOTE: what PAUL says that ties in nicely with what JESUS is teaching here about why we will not see the kingdom of Heaven if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) in ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

    [7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
    [8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    Now brother the question is why do we need to be Born again in the Spirit? As partly answered in ROMANS 8:13 above, if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) we will die because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    NOTE: how v6 ties in with 1 JOHN 2:1-4.

    [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    NOTE: What is JESUS coming to destroy? The works of the devil which is sin v8

    [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    NOTE: If we are BORN of GOD we are not practicing sin. WHY? because God's seed remains in us through faith. This is abiding in him and not sinning (known sin). What is the seed that needs to abide in us so we do not sin? *LUKE 8:11 Now this is the parable the seed is the Word of God.

    [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil (Not sinning and committing sin): whoever does not righteousness is not of God (PSALMS 119:172 All my commandments are righteousness), neither he that loves not his brother.

    Can you see brother you cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW?

    God's 10 commandments are the very expression of what God's LOVE is. We are not saved by keeping God's LAW we are saved by faith in God's WORD as LOVE is expressed through us *EPHESIANS 2:8. Walking in the Spirit brings the fruit of faith which is LOVE and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *GALATIONS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

    RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

    Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear

    Hope this helps.
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    You mix up God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) with the Moasic shadow laws in ORDINANCES that are connected to the annual FEAST DAYS.

    You have provided an OLD TESTAMENT scripture that is talking about the "SPECIAL ceremonial sabbaths connected to the ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

    These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

    These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

    * Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
    * Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
    * Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

    These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

    You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

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    Accoding to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

    Hope this helps
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Not really brother. I did not call you a liar. Your post had no truth in it as no one is claiming that we are saved by trying to keep God's LAW. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    As shown in post # 615 linked and elsewhere you cannot separate God's LOVE from God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) because OBEDIENCE by FAITH in God's WORD is how God's LOVE is expressed to God and our fellow man *ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12 and is why JESUS says; ON THESE TWO Commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

    Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness (without law). God's WORD in the new covenant teaches that the purpose of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

    God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of sin when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.

    All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

    Hope this helps.
     
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