Sabbatarianism

[BobRyan]

Do you understand the context of the commandment in the Jewish culture? They took the number of 7 from the Babylonians

Ex 20:11 was spoken by God Himself and written by God Himself in stone. Long before Babylonian exile of Israel.

Seventh day of the week was never called "The evil day of the week" in scripture.

during their exile (it was an evil day on which some work was prohibited)

and they turned it upside down (making it a sacred day for their people).

Creation and the Exodus both happened long before Babylonian captivity.

 

[BobRyan]

What would be a basis for a Christian today to keep it? Our ancestors did not run from Egypt,

"our ancestors" - Adam and Eve kept it in Gen 2:1-3 -- see Ex 20:11 pointing out that Gen 2 fact as the basis for the commandment

Almost all major Christian denominations today accept that the TEN are the moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant.

For example:

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

 

[trophy33]

"our ancestors" - Adam and Eve kept it in Gen 2:1-3 -- see Ex 20:11 pointing out that Gen 2 fact as the basis for the commandment

Almost all major Christian denominations today accept that the TEN are the moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant.

For example:

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

Adam and Eve did not keep anything, even according to the text you try to bend to fit your beliefs. Gen 2 is not a fact, it is an ancient Hebrew "rebellion" against the Babylonian 7th day cycles culture.

 

[trophy33]

Ex 20:11 was spoken by God Himself and written by God Himself in stone. Long before Babylonian exile of Israel.

The book of Exodus is a text written in Babylon and a part of the Mosaic Law. There have been also revisions to it, later. Its literal historicity or precision is something we can invent anything we like about. In any case, the text is not for us.

Seventh day of the week was never called "The evil day of the week" in scripture.

Hebrews used various Babylonian cultural concepts and gave them a different, Yahwist spin to distinguish themselves as a nation.

Creation and the Exodus both happened long before Babylonian captivity.

The books of Genesis and of Exodus were written during the Babylonian era. In a retrospective style, to help the Hebrew nation to stand out as specific different people. All ancient nations invented mythological roots, ancestors or beginnings of their tribe/nation and linked them to gods/God.

 

[The Liturgist]

This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

Indeed, it actually happened on Pascha in 33 AD and on Pentecost of that same year.

 

[The Liturgist]

Why almost all ancient languages Saturday translates into Sabbath.

Not true; we see this only in languages that are either Semitic and therefore related to Hebrew, or in languages profoundly influenced by Christianity, such as Latin and Spanish, that being due to the influence of the Christian church.

This is an example of the argument from nomenclature fallacy, a semantic logical fallacy that presumes that things are explained by their name. The falsiy of which is demonstrated by the fact that one can be named “Goodman” and be evil”, one can be named “Golden” and be impoverished, one can be named “Swift” and walk slowly, and one can be named “Miller” without having anything to do with the production of grain or other early industrial processes processes.

Yes I have noticed this. In Spanish Saturday is Sábado.

Indeed, and the word for Sunday in Spanish* is Domingo, in Latin, Dominica, in French, Dimanche, meaning “The Lord’s Day.” So if you want to worship according to the nominal designations for days in the Romance languages, they direct you to worship on Sunday.


*Spanish is not an ancient language but like French and Romanian and Italian is derived from a language of classical antiquity, that being Latin (the word “Ancient language” more properly being used to refer to, for instance, Sumerian, Akkadian, Etruscan, Avestan, Sanskrit, Linear-B, and the ancient forms of the Coptic language written in Demotic or Hieroglyphic characters), and the reason for Latin and its derivatives using a word derived from Sabbath to refer to Christianity (Sabato) is Christian influence, specifically Roman Christian influence; the pagan Romans did not use this word before the rise of the Roman Church in the second century and its adoption as the religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor St. Theodosius, who smashed the pagan Altar of Victory and banned the worship of Pagan dieties.**

**St. Constantine was baptized a Christian, but he did not ban paganism, and the Council of Constantinople contrary to false Sabbatarian and Landmarkist histories of the early church the Council of Nicaea did not change the day of Christian worship, although it did discontinue the practice of Quartodecimianism as a means of determing the date of Pascha replacing it with the system presently used by Orthodox churches on the Julian and revised Julian calendar, which slightly different from the system used on the Gregorian calendar (which I do not regard as inherently wrong; I prefer the Julian date but I am not an Old Calendarist and some Orthodox churches such as those of Finland and India use the Gregorian calendar, whereas no Eastern or Oriental Orthodox church in Jerusalem uses it).

 

[The Liturgist]

Absolutely - Spot on

I believe the writings of Moses and I believe Sabbatarians do not understand them for what they are - Christological prophecy, according to the ending of the Gospel of Luke. Specifically, God rested on the Seventh day in the Tomb, before rising on the Eighth, which also wraps around to the First. Let there be light!

 

[Apple Sky]

Indeed, and the word for Sunday in Spanish* is Domingo, in Latin, Dominica, in French, Dimanche, meaning “The Lord’s Day.”

In Christianity, "the Lord's Day" refers to Sunday, the first day of the week, traditionally observed as a day of worship and rest. It commemorates Jesus' resurrection and is seen as a spiritual continuation of the Jewish Sabbath, which is celebrated on Saturday.

Yes & this is why they called it ' Operation Dominic' the time they tried to blast through the firmament to destroy it, previously called 'Operation Fishbowl.'

Operation Dominic was a series of 31 US nuclear tests conducted in the Pacific Ocean in 1962 and 1963. The tests were a response to the Soviet Union resuming nuclear testing after a moratorium. The operation included a range of tests, including weapons development, high-altitude experiments, and tests of operational weapon systems like the Polaris missile and ASROC currently built by Lockheed Martin.

Of cause they will never admit to this but as you can see the names of these operations give themselves away.

Operation Dominic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Liturgist]

Yes & this is why they called it ' Operation Dominic' the time they tried to blast through the firmament to destroy it, previously called 'Operation Fishbowl.'



Of cause they will never admit to this but as you can see the names of these operations give themselves away.

Operation Dominic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sure they blasted through it! How else do you explain the arrival of the Nubularian Invasion Fleet in 1964 under the command of Grand Marshal Zlorch?

 

[Apple Sky]

Sure they blasted through it! How else do you explain the arrival of the Nubularian Invasion Fleet in 1964 under the command of Grand Marshal Zlorch?

My belief is functional monitored alignment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not true;

Yes, true.

Language	Word for Saturday/7thDay	Meaning
Greek	Sabbaton	Sabbath
Latin (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
Spanish (Spain)	Sábado	Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal)	Sabbado	Sabbath
Italian (Italy)	Sabbato	Sabbath
French (France)	Samedi	Sabbath day
High German (Germany)	Samstag	Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia)	Sabatico	Sabbath
Russian (Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Polish	Sobota	Sabbath
Hebrew	Shabbath	Sabbath
Afaghan	Shamba	Sabbath
Hindustani	Shamba	Sabbath
Persian	Shambin	Sabbath
Arabic	Assabt	The Sabbath
Turkish	Yomessabt	Day Sabbath
Malay	Ari-Sabtu	Day Sabbath
Abyssinian	Sanbat	Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony)	Sobota	Sabbath
Bohemian	Sobota	Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria)	Subbota	Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyria, in Austria)	Sobota	Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Servia)	Subota	Sabbath
Wallachian (Roumania or Wallachia)	Sambata	Sabbath
Roman (Sapin, Catalonia)	Dissapte	Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
D'oc. French (ancient and modern)	Dissata	Day Sabbath
Norman French (10th -11th Centuries)	Sabbedi	Sabbath Day
Wolof (Senegambia, West Africa)	Alere-Asser	Last Day Sabbath
Congo (West Equatorial Africa)	Sabbado or Kiansbula	Sabbath
Orma (South of Abyssiania)	Zam-ba-da	Sabbath
Kazani - TARTAR (East Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Osmanlian (Turkey)	Yome-es-sabt	day of the Sabbath
Arabic (Very old names)	Shi-yar	Chief or rejoicing day
Ancient Syriac	Shab-ba-tho	Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan,Urumia,Persia)	Shaptu	Sabbath
Babylonian Syriac (A Very Old Language)	Sa-Ba-tu	Sabbath
Maltese (Malta)	Is-sibt	the Sabbath
Ethiopic (Abyssinia)	San-bat	Sabbath
Coptic (Egypt)	Pi sabbaton	the Sabbath
Tamashek (Atlas mountains, Africa)	A-hal es-sabt	the Sabbath
Kabyle (North Africa, Ancient Numidan)	Ghas assebt	the Sabbath day
Hausa (Central Africa)	Assebatu	the Sabbath
Pasto (Afghanistan)	Shamba	Sabbath (pleasantest day of the week)
Pahlivi (ancient Persian)	Shambid	Sabbath
Persian (Persia)	Shambah	Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia)	Shapat	Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan)	Shamba	Sabbath
Ndebele (Zimbabwe)	Sabatha	Sabbath
Shona (Zimbabwe)	Sabata	Sabbath
Miscellaneous Middle Ages Languages
Georgian (Caucasus)	Shabati	Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)	Sammtyn	Sabbath
Ingoush (Caucasus)	Shatt	Sabbath
Malayan (Malaya, Sumatra)	Hari sabtu	day Sabbath
Javanese (Java)	Saptoe or saptu	Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo)	Sabtu	Sabbath
Makassar (s. Celebes amp; Salayer islands)	Sattu	Sabbath
Malagassy (Madagascar)	Alsabotsy	The Sabbath
Swahili (east equatorial Africa)	Sabato	The Sabbath
Mandingo (west Africa, s. of Senegal)	Sibiti	Sabbath
Teda (central Africa)	Essebdu	The Sabbath
Bornu (central Africa)	Assebdu	The Sabbath
Logone (central Africa)	Se-sibde	The Sabbath
Bagrimma (central Africa)	Sibbedi	Sabbath
Maba (central Africa)	Sab	Sabbath
Permian (Russian)	Subota	Sabbath
Votiak (Russian)	Subbota	Sabbath

 

[The Liturgist]

Yes, true.

Language	Word for Saturday/7thDay	Meaning
Greek	Sabbaton	Sabbath
Latin (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
Spanish (Spain)	Sábado	Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal)	Sabbado	Sabbath
Italian (Italy)	Sabbato	Sabbath
French (France)	Samedi	Sabbath day
High German (Germany)	Samstag	Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia)	Sabatico	Sabbath
Russian (Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Polish	Sobota	Sabbath
Hebrew	Shabbath	Sabbath
Afaghan	Shamba	Sabbath
Hindustani	Shamba	Sabbath
Persian	Shambin	Sabbath
Arabic	Assabt	The Sabbath
Turkish	Yomessabt	Day Sabbath
Malay	Ari-Sabtu	Day Sabbath
Abyssinian	Sanbat	Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony)	Sobota	Sabbath
Bohemian	Sobota	Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria)	Subbota	Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyria, in Austria)	Sobota	Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Servia)	Subota	Sabbath
Wallachian (Roumania or Wallachia)	Sambata	Sabbath
Roman (Sapin, Catalonia)	Dissapte	Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
D'oc. French (ancient and modern)	Dissata	Day Sabbath
Norman French (10th -11th Centuries)	Sabbedi	Sabbath Day
Wolof (Senegambia, West Africa)	Alere-Asser	Last Day Sabbath
Congo (West Equatorial Africa)	Sabbado or Kiansbula	Sabbath
Orma (South of Abyssiania)	Zam-ba-da	Sabbath
Kazani - TARTAR (East Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Osmanlian (Turkey)	Yome-es-sabt	day of the Sabbath
Arabic (Very old names)	Shi-yar	Chief or rejoicing day
Ancient Syriac	Shab-ba-tho	Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan,Urumia,Persia)	Shaptu	Sabbath
Babylonian Syriac (A Very Old Language)	Sa-Ba-tu	Sabbath
Maltese (Malta)	Is-sibt	the Sabbath
Ethiopic (Abyssinia)	San-bat	Sabbath
Coptic (Egypt)	Pi sabbaton	the Sabbath
Tamashek (Atlas mountains, Africa)	A-hal es-sabt	the Sabbath
Kabyle (North Africa, Ancient Numidan)	Ghas assebt	the Sabbath day
Hausa (Central Africa)	Assebatu	the Sabbath
Pasto (Afghanistan)	Shamba	Sabbath (pleasantest day of the week)
Pahlivi (ancient Persian)	Shambid	Sabbath
Persian (Persia)	Shambah	Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia)	Shapat	Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan)	Shamba	Sabbath
Ndebele (Zimbabwe)	Sabatha	Sabbath
Shona (Zimbabwe)	Sabata	Sabbath
Miscellaneous Middle Ages Languages
Georgian (Caucasus)	Shabati	Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)	Sammtyn	Sabbath
Ingoush (Caucasus)	Shatt	Sabbath
Malayan (Malaya, Sumatra)	Hari sabtu	day Sabbath
Javanese (Java)	Saptoe or saptu	Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo)	Sabtu	Sabbath
Makassar (s. Celebes amp; Salayer islands)	Sattu	Sabbath
Malagassy (Madagascar)	Alsabotsy	The Sabbath
Swahili (east equatorial Africa)	Sabato	The Sabbath
Mandingo (west Africa, s. of Senegal)	Sibiti	Sabbath
Teda (central Africa)	Essebdu	The Sabbath
Bornu (central Africa)	Assebdu	The Sabbath
Logone (central Africa)	Se-sibde	The Sabbath
Bagrimma (central Africa)	Sibbedi	Sabbath
Maba (central Africa)	Sab	Sabbath
Permian (Russian)	Subota	Sabbath
Votiak (Russian)	Subbota	Sabbath

Totally false. Most of the above are not “ancient languages” other than Hebrew*, since the Greek and Latin usages with the word Sabbaton and Sabato were the result of the Hellenization of some Jews and the translation of the Old Testament into Greek (the Septuagint), and the propagation of Christianity respectively, and all of them are either Semitic languages or are languages influenced by Christianity, such as Latin and the derivative Romance languages, the languages derived from Church Slavonic such as Russian, Coptic (the ancient Egyptians used a ten-day calendar and the word “Sabaton” was introduced to the Coptic language as a loanword from Greek during the process of translating the Christian liturgy).

And if you are going to make an argument from nomenclature, which is a logical fallacy, well, in Greek the word for Sunday is Kyriakis, and in Latin it is Dominica, and in Spanish Domingo, and in French Dimanche, and in Russian воскресенье, all of which mean “The Lord’s Day.”

Thus, on the basis of an argument from language, since Sunday is referred to in these languages as the Lord’s Day, the proper day for the primary liturgical worship of Christ our True God is Sunday.

*There is no language called “Abyssinian”, by the way. The term is rather an archaic term for the Ethio-Semitic languages, most notably as Ge’ez, in which various ancient Scriptural texts are preserved, and in which the Beta Israel and the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church celebrates the liturgy, as can be seen from this chart:

Note the other Semitic languages on this list, which share linguistic features with Hebrew.

This entire argument is of course a classic example of the Nominal Fallacy, and insofar as you omit languages where the name does not bear a resemblance to the word “Sabbath”, such as Japanese, Korean, Tamil, and so on, this is itself a logical fallacy known as suppressed evidence.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Totally false. None of the above are “ancient languages” other than Hebrew*, since the Greek and Latin usages with the word Sabbaton and Sabato were the result of the Hellenization of some Jews and the translation of the Old Testament into Greek (the Septuagint), and the propagation of Christianity respectively, and all of them are either Semitic languages or are languages influenced by Christianity, such as Latin and the derivative Romance languages, the languages derived from Church Slavonic such as Russian, Coptic (the ancient Egyptians used a ten-day calendar and the word “Sabaton” was introduced to the Coptic language as a loanword from Greek during the process of translating the Christian liturgy).

And if you are going to make an argument from nomenclature, which is a logical fallacy, well, in Greek the word for Sunday is Kyriakis, and in Latin it is Dominica, and in Spanish Domingo, and in French Dimanche, and in Russian воскресенье, all of which mean “The Lord’s Day.”

Thus, on the basis of an argument from language, since Sunday is referred to in these languages as the Lord’s Day, the proper day for the primary liturgical worship of Christ our True God is Sunday.

*There is no language called “Abyssinian”, by the way. The term is rather an archaic term for the Ethio-Semitic languages, most notably as Ge’ez, in which various ancient Scriptural texts are preserved, and in which the Beta Israel and the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church celebrates the liturgy, as can be seen from this chart:

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You can believe what you want but, it shows otherwise. Just because you say so is not a good argument.

Regardless, what did God say on the subject as if there is any greater Authority than He.

The Sabbath is the only day God both gave a name and a number and it contains His name- ABBA - keeping the Sabbath is a sign between God and His people Eze 20:20 and a sign of His re-creation i.e. sanctification Eze 20:12 because we can’t sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17

The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 written and spoken personally by our Holy Creator. Can’t date further back than Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11

Sunday as the Lords day as day one, is no where in the Scriptures, it is a man-made religious holiday leading people to break one of God’s commandments. God claimed His holy day and there is only one- the holy day of the Lord, My holy day, the Sabbath Isa 58:13 thus saith the Lord. All other days God deemed for works and labors Exo 20:9

Why Jesus had these words to say on the matter

Math 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (found in the Ten Commandments) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

When we lay aside the commandment of God and replace with our own laws/traditions meaning God’s law doesn't apply to me, this is what Jesus said it does…

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Even though the Scriptures told this would happen I still find it hard to believe that so many people do not listen to what Jesus taught or how He lived or believe His personal Testimony Exo 31:18 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

 

[The Liturgist]

Sunday as the Lords day is no where in the Scriptures, it is a man-made holiday leading people to break one of God’s commandments.

You can believe what you want but, it shows otherwise. Just because you say so is not a good argument.

More logical fallacies - begging the question, ad hominem attack, etc.

The fact is you made an argument from nomenclature and you suppressed evidence, such as the words for Saturday in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Tamil and other ancient languages, which look nothing like the word Sabbath, and in other cases tried to pass off words related to the Indo-European root word for “Seven” such as the Old Persian word meaning ‘Seventh Day” as referring to the Sabbath, and this argument is non-sustainable.

Using the same logic, I can claim that we should worship exclusively on Sunday (I don’t make this claim; I observe the Sabbath and the Lord’s Day since on these days our Lord reposed in the Tomb and rose from the dead, and believe in unceasing prayer) because only it is called The Lord’s Day in most of the languages you used as examples, including Greek, Coptic, Latin, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Russian, Polish, etc.

Regardless, what did God say on the subject as if there is any greater Authority than He.

The Sabbath is the only day God both gave a name and a number

the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 written and spoken personally by our Holy Creator. Can’t date further back than Creation Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11

Christ our True God, by whom all things made, created the universe on the first day, created and recreated mankind on the sixth day on the Cross, rested on the seventh, in the Tomb, and rose from the dead on the Eighth Day, the First Day of the next week, which also represents the life of the world to com. Let there be light!

Sunday as the Lords day is no where in the Scriptures, it is a man-made holiday leading people to break one of God’s commandments.
[/QUOTE]

No, because Christ our God rose from the dead on the Lord’s Day and on that same day the Disciples were worshipping at the third hour on Pentecost when the God the Holy Spirit descended upon them.

This is a scriptural fact. It is also a scriptural fact that St. Paul tells us to not allow anyone to judge us on the basis of the Sabbath or other observances from Judaism (Colossians 2:16). It is also a scriptural fact that Christ our True God and his disciples collected wheat on the Sabbath for personal use, and did other things which the Pharisees regarded as forbidden.

God’s commandment furthermore has always been kept by the Roman Catholic Church, which ironically, in contrast to SDA propaganda, has always had masses on Saturday. Indeed only the RCC has masses in nearly every parish on Saturday; they worship more on the Seventh day than any other denomination in terms of the total number of services conducted on the seventh day of each week. So we can say that the argument that the celebration of the Resurrection of Christ our True God on Sunday has caused people to violate a divine commandment is also logically unsound, a non-sequitur (does not follow).

This is my objection to this line of argumentation: you argument has verifiable factual errors, verifiable logical errors, and verifiably contradicts Scriptural tradition which we are required to adhere to according to 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and most disagreeably, is accompanied with threats of eschatological peril if we do not adhere to it. This is unreasonable, and Christ our True God, as the Logos, is Reason (the word Logos literally refers to reason, hence the word logic, and for this reason, logical fallacies must be excluded from theological debate.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

More logical fallacies - begging the question, ad hominem attack, etc.

The fact is you made an argument from nomenclature and you suppressed evidence, such as the words for Saturday in Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Tamil and other ancient languages, which look nothing like the word Sabbath, and in other cases tried to pass off words related to the Indo-European root word for “Seven” such as the Old Persian word meaning ‘Seventh Day” as referring to the Sabbath, and this argument is non-sustainable.

When did I ever say all languages? Again, making arguments I never made. I find this common in our discussions.

Using the same logic, I can claim that we should worship exclusively on Sunday

We can say anything we want but doesn’t make it Scripture nor does it take away the authority of God or His commandments.

Christ our True God, by whom all things made, created the universe on the first day, created and recreated mankind on the sixth day on the Cross, rested on the seventh, in the Tomb, and rose from the dead on the Eighth Day, the First Day of the next week, which also represents the life of the world to com. Let there be light!

Is there a commandment in there anywhere? No, of course not. And humans weren’t even created on the first day, they were created on the 6th day made in the image of God, His likeness Gen 1:26 to follow Him, Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11, not rebel and do our own thing, so this is a strange argument for worship on the first day of creation over what God did Himself Gen 2:1-3 as our example Exo 20:8-11 and not to obey His commandments so we can keep our human traditions.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, true.

Language	Word for Saturday/7thDay	Meaning
Greek	Sabbaton	Sabbath
Latin (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
Spanish (Spain)	Sábado	Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal)	Sabbado	Sabbath
Italian (Italy)	Sabbato	Sabbath
French (France)	Samedi	Sabbath day
High German (Germany)	Samstag	Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia)	Sabatico	Sabbath
Russian (Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Polish	Sobota	Sabbath
Hebrew	Shabbath	Sabbath
Afaghan	Shamba	Sabbath
Hindustani	Shamba	Sabbath
Persian	Shambin	Sabbath
Arabic	Assabt	The Sabbath
Turkish	Yomessabt	Day Sabbath
Malay	Ari-Sabtu	Day Sabbath
Abyssinian	Sanbat	Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony)	Sobota	Sabbath
Bohemian	Sobota	Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria)	Subbota	Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyria, in Austria)	Sobota	Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Servia)	Subota	Sabbath
Wallachian (Roumania or Wallachia)	Sambata	Sabbath
Roman (Sapin, Catalonia)	Dissapte	Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman (Italy)	Sabbatum	Sabbath
D'oc. French (ancient and modern)	Dissata	Day Sabbath
Norman French (10th -11th Centuries)	Sabbedi	Sabbath Day
Wolof (Senegambia, West Africa)	Alere-Asser	Last Day Sabbath
Congo (West Equatorial Africa)	Sabbado or Kiansbula	Sabbath
Orma (South of Abyssiania)	Zam-ba-da	Sabbath
Kazani - TARTAR (East Russia)	Subbota	Sabbath
Osmanlian (Turkey)	Yome-es-sabt	day of the Sabbath
Arabic (Very old names)	Shi-yar	Chief or rejoicing day
Ancient Syriac	Shab-ba-tho	Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan,Urumia,Persia)	Shaptu	Sabbath
Babylonian Syriac (A Very Old Language)	Sa-Ba-tu	Sabbath
Maltese (Malta)	Is-sibt	the Sabbath
Ethiopic (Abyssinia)	San-bat	Sabbath
Coptic (Egypt)	Pi sabbaton	the Sabbath
Tamashek (Atlas mountains, Africa)	A-hal es-sabt	the Sabbath
Kabyle (North Africa, Ancient Numidan)	Ghas assebt	the Sabbath day
Hausa (Central Africa)	Assebatu	the Sabbath
Pasto (Afghanistan)	Shamba	Sabbath (pleasantest day of the week)
Pahlivi (ancient Persian)	Shambid	Sabbath
Persian (Persia)	Shambah	Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia)	Shapat	Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan)	Shamba	Sabbath
Ndebele (Zimbabwe)	Sabatha	Sabbath
Shona (Zimbabwe)	Sabata	Sabbath
Miscellaneous Middle Ages Languages
Georgian (Caucasus)	Shabati	Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)	Sammtyn	Sabbath
Ingoush (Caucasus)	Shatt	Sabbath
Malayan (Malaya, Sumatra)	Hari sabtu	day Sabbath
Javanese (Java)	Saptoe or saptu	Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo)	Sabtu	Sabbath
Makassar (s. Celebes amp; Salayer islands)	Sattu	Sabbath
Malagassy (Madagascar)	Alsabotsy	The Sabbath
Swahili (east equatorial Africa)	Sabato	The Sabbath
Mandingo (west Africa, s. of Senegal)	Sibiti	Sabbath
Teda (central Africa)	Essebdu	The Sabbath
Bornu (central Africa)	Assebdu	The Sabbath
Logone (central Africa)	Se-sibde	The Sabbath
Bagrimma (central Africa)	Sibbedi	Sabbath
Maba (central Africa)	Sab	Sabbath
Permian (Russian)	Subota	Sabbath
Votiak (Russian)	Subbota	Sabbath

What is the definition of ancient?
Something is generally considered ancient if it's older than 2,000 to 5,000 years

Let’s look to see if what was posted is false.….

As an example . . .

The Greek language has a long history, spanning over 3,400 years with documented written records. The earliest written evidence of Greek dates back to the 15th century BCE, as seen in texts using Linear B, a syllabic script.While the spoken language may have existed earlier, the written tradition is the oldest documented form.

The Italian language, which evolved from Latin, has a history spanning roughly 2,700 years

The oldest Latin texts with traces of Spanish come from mid-northern Iberia in the 9th century, and the first systematic written use of the language happened in Toledo, a prominent city of the Kingdom of Castile, in the 13th century.

The Portuguese language has roots tracing back to the 3rd century BC when Latin was brought to the Iberian Peninsula by Roman settlers. While the evolution of Portuguese from Latin is a gradual process, the earliest evidence of Portuguese, considered Old Portuguese, dates back to the 9th century.

All languages have roots back to Babylon. My post is not false as claimed.

 

[The Liturgist]

When did I ever say all languages? Again, making arguments I never made. I find this common in our discussions.

You said “almost all ancient languages” and your list contains very few ancient languages, mostly modern languages, and no languages which would contradict your pattern. If you had said “Look at this large number of languages where the word is either derived from or resembles the Sabbath” the fallacy of suppressed evidence would not be present in your argument, but the other more serious logical fallacy, the nominal fallacy, also known as appeal to nomenclature, is fundamental to it. This fallacy, and the related concept of nominative determinism, are severe errors, since the etymology of a name does not prove its semantic context.

We can say anything we want but doesn’t make it Scripture nor does it take away the authority of God or His commandments.

Indeed; Jesus Christ said we should pray without ceasing, and the ancient and modern Jews and early and modern Christians worshipped and continue to worship every day of the week (the purpose of Sabbath was historically more about rest than about work).

Is there a commandment in there anywhere?

Yes, two in fact, one of which is part of the Summary of the Law, and one of which is Dominical, in reverse order, these being “Pray without ceasing” and “Love god with all your heart and mind and soul.” These are commandments from Christ our True God, part of the New Covenant, who rested on the Sabbath in the Tomb, which is the actual meaning of the Sabbath commandment in Moses - it is a Christological prophecy of the death and resurrection of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, who having put on our human body, died so that we might have everlasting life, and in so doing recreated mankind in his image.

 

[The Liturgist]

The Greek language has a long history, spanning over 3,400 years with documented written records. The earliest written evidence of Greek dates back to the 15th century BCE, as seen in texts using Linear B, a syllabic script.While the spoken language may have existed earlier, the written tradition is the oldest documented form.

Indeed, but your argument is a red herring, since the Greek language refers to Sunday as Kyriakis and has for almost as long as it has referred to Sabbath as Sabbatton - both were introduced to the Greek language through the influence of Jews and Christians respectively, which I noted in my previous post, and also is still an example of the nominal fallacy.

That this entire line of argumentation is fallacious is the main problem. But you did just add another fallacy into the mix, a red herring argument and also another instance of begging the question.

As long as arguments are made which are logically fallacious, I believe we are obliged to deconstruct them owing to Christ our True God being the Incarnate Logos, the Reason and rationality of Creation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Indeed, but your argument is a red herring, since the Greek language refers to Sunday as Kyriakis and has for almost as long as it has referred to Sabbath as Sabbatton - both were introduced to the Greek language through the influence of Jews and Christians respectively, which I noted in my previous post, and also is still an example of the nominal fallacy.

That this entire line of argumentation is fallacious is the main problem. But you did just add another fallacy into the mix, a red herring argument and also another instance of begging the question.

As long as arguments are made which are logically fallacious, I believe we are obliged to deconstruct them owing to Christ our True God being the Incarnate Logos, the Reason and rationality of Creation.

Sunday as the Lords Day is not in the Bible. Its as easy as that and adding to God’s Word we are warned Pro 30:5-6

Your argument was the languages I posted that Saturday did not mean the Sabbath in the ancient languages I posted “was false” but again, proven to be true.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, two in fact, one of which is part of the Summary of the Law, and one of which is Dominical, in reverse order, these being “Pray without ceasing” and “Love god with all your heart and mind and soul.” These are commandments from Christ our True God, part of the New Covenant, who rested on the Sabbath in the Tomb, which is the actual meaning of the Sabbath commandment in Moses - it is a Christological prophecy of the death and resurrection of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, who having put on our human body, died so that we might have everlasting life, and in so doing recreated mankind in his image.

There is no commandment to thou shalt keep the first day holy, God did not sanctify and bless the first day. He said it was for works and labors Exo 20:9. Kind of hard to keep the greatest commandment to love God with all our hearts, but yet not listen to what He asks. Exodus 16:28 Guess it will get sorted out soon enough