What proof would you need? (2)

[Astridhere]

Broca's region.

Making an impression: Broca's Area

It was initially believed that the ‘Turkana Boy’, and members of his species, Homo ergaster, were capable of language. This was because the inside of the boy’s fossilised skull showed an impression from a part of the brain known as Broca’s Area. Possession of Broca’s Area was once considered to indicate the ability to speak.

New technologies such as Positron Emission Tomography (PET) have now caused this idea to be revised. PET scans highlight areas of the brain that are active during language activities. They have shown that Broca’s Area does not always function during speech and cannot be used as evidence of speech in our ancestors.

How do we know if they could speak? - Australian Museum

Sorry USincognito, once again, what was..now isn't. Don't you ever get tired of these silly straw grabs going up in smoke?

 

[mzungu]

With evolution, life will always find a way: Zebra Stripes Evolved to Repel Bloodsuckers?

 

[Lillen]

I could sing "esoreras" and "erosos" with the same emotion as original, and Jesus saved me, moreover he forgave me all my sins and washed me clean in his blood. What more evidence do you need for an almighty God? why doesn't those evidence change your mind?

what would then make me change my mind, i have already sympatized with science, and in time of need I started to trust Christians and with my trust in christians, i aboandoned all the worldly wisdom, and started to have faith in Jesus. Science can't forgive sins nor can it give you eternal life, so I can't go back to science once again! I would say it is impossible to make me sympthize with science again.

 

[MoonLancer]

Science cures diseases. Prayer does not. Remember that the next time you get sick.

 

[Lillen]

Would you like to bet your soul on it?

 

[mzungu]

I could sing "esoreras" and "erosos" with the same emotion as original, and Jesus saved me, moreover he forgave me all my sins and washed me clean in his blood. What more evidence do you need for an almighty God? why doesn't those evidence change your mind?

what would then make me change my mind, i have already sympatized with science, and in time of need I started to trust Christians and with my trust in christians, i aboandoned all the worldly wisdom, and started to have faith in Jesus. Science can't forgive sins nor can it give you eternal life, so I can't go back to science once again! I would say it is impossible to make me sympthize with science again.

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word "EVIDENCE".

 

[Lillen]

I just read a book about miracles happaning with societies outcast. REMEBER,of those getting into rehabiltion for drugs or alchohol, those with dubble diagnoses, of those it goes well with, all of them had connection with a church! - And are no longer addicts! The others who didn't have connection with a church all of them relapsed.

80ies figures. Based upon interviews and so on.

 

[mzungu]

I just read a book about miracles happaning with societies outcast. REMEBER,of those getting into rehabiltion for drugs or alchohol, those with dubble diagnoses, of those it goes well with, all of them had connection with a church! - And are no longer addicts! The others who didn't have connection with a church all of them relapsed.

80ies figures. Based upon interviews and so on.

Psychological problems are not the same as psychiatric diseases (schizophrenia etc.) nor genetic diseases nor microbial diseases. You cannot cure clogged arteries with prayer and you cannot cure parkinsons, AIDS, Malaria, etc with prayer. Sure it may help you feel better but cure? I hardly think so!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Psychological problems are not the same as psychiatric diseases (schizophrenia etc.) nor genetic diseases nor microbial diseases. You cannot cure clogged arteries with prayer and you cannot cure parkinsons, AIDS, Malaria, etc with prayer. Sure it may help you feel better but cure? I hardly think so!

This.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I could sing "esoreras" and "erosos" with the same emotion as original, and Jesus saved me, moreover he forgave me all my sins and washed me clean in his blood. What more evidence do you need for an almighty God? why doesn't those evidence change your mind?

Because your emotional outburst doesn't constitute evidence of anything more than your emotional outburst. You claim that a) Jesus saved you, b) he forgave you of all your sins, and c) washed you clean in his blood, but what evidence do you have that any of those things actually happened?

what would then make me change my mind, i have already sympatized with science, and in time of need I started to trust Christians and with my trust in christians, i aboandoned all the worldly wisdom, and started to have faith in Jesus. Science can't forgive sins nor can it give you eternal life, so I can't go back to science once again! I would say it is impossible to make me sympthize with science again.

You say this using the Internet. I trust the irony is apparent to everyone else.

 

[Lillen]

All of my Love - YouTube

What will seperate us from the love of Christ?

I'd say it is only prayers that heal afflicted. Since most prayers occur in the ulterior, it would be hard to document except for the testemony of the afflicted.
So when an afflicted turns back to health, i'd say it the prayers from the saints that actually healed the afflicted and gave him his health back.

You see when a mirical has happand such as someone being cured from AIDS, the doctor do not write in the journals, mircale, what they do is dismiss the first samples as being inaccurate (If the test showed HIV-positive).

 

[AV1611VET]

Science cures diseases.

Science cures diseases, God cures disease; there's a difference.

Prayer does not.

Neither does calling the doctor's office.

Remember that the next time you get sick.

Remember that the next time you make such a flippant remark.

 

[cupid dave]

All of my Love - YouTube

What will seperate us from the love of Christ?

I'd say it is only prayers that heal afflicted. Since most prayers occur in the ulterior, it would be hard to document except for the testemony of the afflicted.
So when an afflicted turns back to health, i'd say it the prayers from the saints that actually healed the afflicted and gave him his health back.

You see when a mirical has happand such as someone being cured from AIDS, the doctor do not write in the journals, mircale, what they do is dismiss the first samples as being inaccurate (If the test showed HIV-positive).

and when people have near death experiences, where dioctors actually said they had just vdied, but god meets them in the glowing white tunneo and sends them back, the doctors do not write this in a journal as proof either.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What will seperate us from the love of Christ?

I'd say it is only prayers that heal afflicted. Since most prayers occur in the ulterior, it would be hard to document except for the testemony of the afflicted.
So when an afflicted turns back to health, i'd say it the prayers from the saints that actually healed the afflicted and gave him his health back.

Do you have any proof of this? We can conduct clinical trials to see how well people heal with or without some new medicine - if it's all the action of saints, if modern medicine does nothing, then why do clinical trials work so well? Why do we get clear correlations between variables?

You see when a mirical has happand such as someone being cured from AIDS, the doctor do not write in the journals, mircale, what they do is dismiss the first samples as being inaccurate (If the test showed HIV-positive).

First, do you have any proof that doctors really do dismiss an instance of a person being cured of HIV/AIDS? Second, doctors are more than willing to publish such a finding - if only because they would become world-renowned as having 'cured' AIDS. Third, they have published such a finding.

 

[mzungu]

Science cures diseases, God cures disease; there's a difference.

Neither does calling the doctor's office.

Remember that the next time you make such a flippant remark.

Now now AV; You cannot be serious if you are implying we rid ourselves of medicine! So we should get rid of doctors and hospitals and emergency services and let people be cured by prayer This confounds my sensibilities and is anathema to erudition and the achievements of man. If there is a God then suffice it to say he gave us a brain and inquisitive mind to solve problems and not to keep it closed in a cage.

I am totally flabbergasted when people insist that medicine is useless!

Will someone please beam me up; I need to vacate this planet.......

 

[cupid dave]

....doctors are more than willing to publish such a finding - if only because they would become world-renowned as having 'cured' AIDS. Third, they have published such a finding.

A few doctors have looked into the Near Death Experience, and one has written a number of books cataloging the stories from a number of the patients who had the experience.

Some research into the brain has also been started in hopes of explaining away the stories of people who say they saw the light.
The same story basically is recounted again and again.

A movie was made a frew years ago called Straight Liners," I think it was called.
The idea was that doctors killednthemselves clinically, their life signs went flat, hence the title.
Surrounded by a team ready to jump start their heart, these doctors investigated the idea.

Of course, no such research actually has yet been done.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

A few doctors have looked into the Near Death Experience, and one has written a number of books cataloging the stories from a number of the patients who had the experience.

Some research into the brain has also been started in hopes of explaining away the stories of people who say they saw the light.
The same story basically is recounted again and again.

A movie was made a frew years ago called Straight Liners," I think it was called.
The idea was that doctors killednthemselves clinically, their life signs went flat, hence the title.
Surrounded by a team ready to jump start their heart, these doctors investigated the idea.

Of course, no such research actually has yet been done.

One possible explanation is cultural: people see the same because they expect to see a white light as per Western culture. Alternatively, the white tunnel is what happens when the brain receives 'static' from the eyes.

In any case, I'm disinclined to trust someone who's brain is functionally impaired and is close to death - we all know how easy it is to fool the brain, whether on drugs or on a high fever, so why should we trust the brain when it's at death's door?

Personally, these anecdotes are just anecdotes, until such time hard evidence comes to light. People have certainly investigated it, just as they have investigated the Loch Ness monster, reincarnation, and psychic powers, but, as ever, the results don't shore up the supernatural claimant.

 

[mzungu]

A few doctors have looked into the Near Death Experience, and one has written a number of books cataloging the stories from a number of the patients who had the experience.

Some research into the brain has also been started in hopes of explaining away the stories of people who say they saw the light.
The same story basically is recounted again and again.

A movie was made a frew years ago called Straight Liners," I think it was called.
The idea was that doctors killednthemselves clinically, their life signs went flat, hence the title.
Surrounded by a team ready to jump start their heart, these doctors investigated the idea.

Of course, no such research actually has yet been done.

I actually flatlined for approximately 30 seconds and believe me I saw and felt nothing!

 

[cupid dave]

One possible explanation is cultural: people see the same because they expect to see a white light as per Western culture. Alternatively, the white tunnel is what happens when the brain receives 'static' from the eyes.

In any case, I'm disinclined to trust someone who's brain is functionally impaired and is close to death - we all know how easy it is to fool the brain, whether on drugs or on a high fever, so why should we trust the brain when it's at death's door?

Personally, these anecdotes are just anecdotes, until such time hard evidence comes to light. People have certainly investigated it, just as they have investigated the Loch Ness monster, reincarnation, and psychic powers, but, as ever, the results don't shore up the supernatural claimant.

You may have a point,... or not.

What we seem to have for sure is a very long and growing list of people of all types reporting almost identical stories.
This is akin to "peer review" in the sense that under the same "labatory conditions," i.e.; doctors present to confirm death, the same tunnel, white light, and a "gabriel" figure at the end appearing and talking to these people.

Dismissal is hardly a good scientific exercise, while opened mindedness is.

 

[cupid dave]

I actually flatlined for approximately 30 seconds and believe me I saw and felt nothing!

Maybe that is a portent of eternal nothingness and solitude awaiting non believers?