What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

[Gary K]

Tell you what, Gary my man, we seem to be talking about the same or similar things on several different threads. Let's consolidate them all over here:

Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

Let's talk about Matthew 5 again even though this has been addressed time and time again. Those who argue that the law remains in force often appeal to Matt 5, especially this: For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will...

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Fine with me. It's a lot easier than keeping track of several threads.

 

[Bob S]

I won't waste my time on someone like you, who does not even try.

Ditto!!

The fact is that the Sabbath was given to only one nation of people on this Earth. Ther Bible does not mention Adam or Eve resting with God after creation. It is never mentioned in scripture until after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea. To all of you who believe there were people keeping Sabbath before the Israelites why didn't God or Moses stop on every 7th day during the exodus to rest and worship. Was not God able to protect the Israelites from any harm during their flight,

It is preposterous to believe there was Sabbath observance before it was started after crossing the Red Sea. It is preposterous to believe God has ever demanded Gentiles observe any day. The new covenant writing in Hebrews tells us not to forsake assembling ourselves together. Nowhere does it specify a special day. I cannot understand why some people allow some woman with a severe head injury to tell us differently.

 

[Gary K]

Ditto!!

The fact is that the Sabbath was given to only one nation of people on this Earth. Ther Bible does not mention Adam or Eve resting with God after creation. It is never mentioned in scripture until after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea. To all of you who believe there were people keeping Sabbath before the Israelites why didn't God or Moses stop on every 7th day during the exodus to rest and worship. Was not God able to protect the Israelites from any harm during their flight,

It is preposterous to believe there was Sabbath observance before it was started after crossing the Red Sea. It is preposterous to believe God has ever demanded Gentiles observe any day. The new covenant writing in Hebrews tells us not to forsake assembling ourselves together. Nowhere does it specify a special day. I cannot understand why some people allow some woman with a severe head injury to tell us differently.

No, but the Sabbath was mentioned before the 10 commandments were given on Sinai.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Ditto!!

The fact is that the Sabbath was given to only one nation of people on this Earth. Ther Bible does not mention Adam or Eve resting with God after creation. It is never mentioned in scripture until after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea. To all of you who believe there were people keeping Sabbath before the Israelites why didn't God or Moses stop on every 7th day during the exodus to rest and worship. Was not God able to protect the Israelites from any harm during their flight,

It is preposterous to believe there was Sabbath observance before it was started after crossing the Red Sea. It is preposterous to believe God has ever demanded Gentiles observe any day. The new covenant writing in Hebrews tells us not to forsake assembling ourselves together. Nowhere does it specify a special day. I cannot understand why some people allow some woman with a severe head injury to tell us differently.

Not even trying

 

[FredVB]

Certainly in the beginning God finished the creation week with the seventh day for rest, that God said was holy. When much later God spoke to the people of Israel that time when they were at Mount Sinai, with the ten commandments spoken, and then given on stone tablets, and then again the same commandments on stone tablets, it was giving them the one day in a seven day week, the seventh, as the day of rest and to be thoughtful of God during this, God did say this day is holy. It is then still holy, whether we remember it or not. But Sabbath is made for man, we know Jesus Christ said this. We are not perfect, but this rest is possible with Sabbath when in Christ.

 

[Clare73]

Certainly in the beginning God finished the creation week with the seventh day for rest, that God said was holy. When much later God spoke to the people of Israel that time when they were at Mount Sinai, with the ten commandments spoken, and the given on stone tablets, and then again the same commandments on stone tablets, it was giving them the one day in a seven day week, the seventh, as the day of rest and to be thoughtful of God during this, God did say this day is holy. It is then still holy, whether we remember it or not. But Sabbath is made for man, we know Jesus Christ said this. We are not perfect, but this rest is possible with Sabbath when in Jesus Christ

Yes, Sabbath rest in the NT is rest in our Sabbath, Jesus Christ, rest therein from all work to save ourselves and in his work which alone saves.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath the Creator Mark 2:28, not that He is the Sabbath the creation i.e. a day/commandment. Exo 20:8-11 Luke 23:56

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath the Creator Mat 2:20, not that He is the Sabbath the creation i.e. a day/commandment. Exo 20:8-11 Luke 23:56

Heb 4:8-9 presents another Sabbath rest for the people of God, the NT Sabbath rest--from one's own work to save and in Christ's work which saves.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Heb 4:8-9 presents another Sabbath rest for the people of God, the NT Sabbath rest--from one's own work to save and in Christ's work which saves.

Still doesn’t say Jesus is the Sabbath and was reduced to being a day/commandment. Exo 20:8-11

Nor does it say another Sabbath rest.

Heb 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

Which means keeping the Sabbath

Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because there is no greater Authroity than God to alter His Word Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 Deut 4:2.

Best to leave alone once God defines something, because the servant is never greater than the master. John 13:16

 

[Clare73]

Still doesn’t say Jesus is the Sabbath and was reduced to being a day/commandment.

Also doesn't say "Jesus is God," but it is presented nevertheless.

If you're resting in his work to save rather than your own work to save, he is your Sabbath (Heb 4:8-10).

 

[Clare73]

Still doesn’t say Jesus is the Sabbath and was reduced to being a day/commandment. Exo 20:8-11

If you're resting in his work to save rather than your own work to save, he is your Sabbath (Heb 4:8-10).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If you're resting in his work to save rather than your own work to save, he is your Sabbath (Heb 4:8-10).

No scripture says this as already proven nor do these verses even insulate so, its a false teaching leading people to break one of God’s commandments. Mat 5:19

No one rests in Christ by being disobedient to Him or His commandments. Isa 48:18. The Sabbath is a commandment thus saith the Lord, not Jesus. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, He created it, Jesus is not the creation. God defined His commandments, man does not know better than He, the problem from the beginning that sadly still continues.

 

[Clare73]

No scripture says this

No Scripture says "Jesus is God."

Nevertheless, Scripture presents Jesus as God.

And you might check the Scripture presented.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No Scripture says "Jesus is God."

And you might check the Scripture presented.

Jesus is in the Godhead Rom 1:20, but still doesn’t change the fact Jesus is not one of His commandments. Suit yourself through Jesus warns us of this very thing Mat 5:19

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is in the Godhead Rom 1:20, but still doesn’t change the fact that a commandment is not Jesus. Suit yourself through Jesus warns us of this very thing Mat 5:19

Jesus is the NT Sabbath in whom we rest from our own work to save and in his work which saves (Heb 4:8-10).

Your disagreement is with the NT. . .above my pay grade.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus is the Sabbath in the NT, lets see how this works out…

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Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Jesus Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Jesus Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

No wonder why we are told Pro 30:5-6

 

[Danthemailman]

Jesus is the NT Sabbath in whom we rest from our own work to save and in his work which saves (Heb 4:8-10).

Your disagreement is with the NT. . .above my pay grade.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

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Also see:

Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - New Covenant Sabbath Rest
http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabb...required-for-christians/#sthash.qCsHS07o.dpbs

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is the Sabbath in the NT, lets see how this works out…
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Jesus Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Jesus Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
No wonder why we are told Pro 30:5-6

No wonder why we are told Lk 4:23.

 

[Danthemailman]

Jesus is the Sabbath in the NT, lets see how this works out…
Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Jesus Sabbath.
Acts 13:44 On the next Jesus Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

No wonder why we are told Pro 30:5-6

So, Christians are commanded to keep the weekly Sabbath day under the law under the new covenant? Let's see how that works out.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

In regard to Acts 13:42, do we worship in a synagogue today on the sabbath with Jews and Greeks who were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes? Where else would these people be gathering during that time? Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, Christians are commanded to keep the weekly Sabbath day under the law under the new covenant? Let's see how that works out.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

In regard to Acts 13:42, do we worship in a synagogue today on the sabbath with Jews and Greeks who were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes? Where else would these people be gathering during that time? Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

So basically you are teaching by trying to connect Col 2:14-17 to the weekly Sabbath that Paul contradicted every thus saith the Lord in scripture and that God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 to be contrary and against man. So God was out to get man from day 1. Sadly, this is an attack on the character of God.

No wonder we have this stern warning about Paul's writings being greatly misused and misunderstood 2 Peter 3:15-16