What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

[Clare73]

So basically you are teaching by trying to connect Col 2:14-17 to the weekly Sabbath that Paul contradicted every thus saith the Lord in scripture and that God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 to be contrary and against man.

No more so than abolishment of the Levitical ceremonial laws contradicts Leviticus.

 

[Danthemailman]

So basically you are teaching by trying to connect Col 2:14-17 that Paul contradicted every thus saith the Lord in scripture and that God made the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 to be contrary and against man. So God was out to get man from day 1. Sadly, this is an attack on the character of God.

No wonder we have this stern warning about Paul's writings being greatly misused and misunderstood 2 Peter 3:15-16

You need to rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) Who was Exodus 20:11 addressed to? Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought You out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

This was addressed to the Israelites  and Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You need to rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15) Who was Exodus 20:11 addressed to? Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought You out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. The Israelites.

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

This was addressed to the Israelites  and Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation of Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought YOU out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore, the Lord your God has commanded YOU to observe the Sabbath day.” (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” (Exodus 31:16-17)

God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 made for man Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6 because man can’t bless or sanctify themselves we need God. Eze 20:12. If one doesn’t need or want God’s blessing or sanctification, the Sabbath is not for them and we will see how that works out. Isa 66:17 Rev 22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No more so than abolishment of the Levitical ceremonial laws contradicts Leviticus.

Not at all. We are told the ceremonial law that was added after the fall of man were contrary and against.

Deuteronomy 31:26 KJB - Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that itmay be there for a witness against thee.

Deuteronomy 31:28 KJB - Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

Deuteronomy 30:19 KJB - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

To try to tie Col 2:14-16 to the weekly Sabbath that started at Creation Exo 20:11 when God made everything according to His perfect plan is an attack on God’s character that He made the Sabbath to be against man basically saying God was against man from day 1. It also goes against every thus saith the Lord on God’s Sabbath basically saying Paul is more powerful than God. Paul was a servant of God Rom 1:1 Christ commissioned him to spread the gospel, not change God’s times and law we were warned about Dan 7:25 and Paul would never contradict a thus saith the Lord yet alone a whole bible of them. Getting Paul’s writings wrong can be a salvation issue 2 Peter 3:15 especially when it leads one to their own destruction like Jesus saying depart from Me, ye who practice lawlessness going against God’s will Mat 7:21-23 Psa 40:8 and we see which law Jesus is quoting from Rev 22:14-15

 

[Danthemailman]

God said the Sabbath started at Creation Exo 20:11 made for man Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6 because man can’t bless or sanctify themselves we need God. Eze 20:12. If one doesn’t need or want God’s blessing or sanctification, the Sabbath is not for them and we will see how that works out. Isa 66:17 Rev 22:14

Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

In regard to Mark 2:27, "the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.." This statement was in response to the accusation by the Pharisees that Jesus' disciples were breaking the law regarding resting on the sabbath while going through the fields and plucking heads of grain. (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5)

Jesus responded by giving an example from the Old Testament in which David was once in need of food and was given consecrated bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat (1 Samuel 21:1-6). The bread served a practical need for David and his men, just as with Jesus and His disciples, the grain served a practical need. David and his men were not acting sinfully in eating the showbread, and neither were Jesus’ disciples by plucking heads of grain on the sabbath. Jesus concludes, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. So, the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath." (Mark 2:27-28)

First off, the sabbath was intended to help people, not burden them. In contrast with the agonizing, daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were commanded to take a day of rest each week under the Mosaic Law. The Pharisees had turned the sabbath into a burden by adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. The disciples had not broken God’s law, they merely violated the Pharisees’ own legalistic, interpretation of the law. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of the original intent of the sabbath rest. Jesus' statement does not teach that the sabbath was made for ALL mankind, as you suppose. The Israelites were of mankind, along with strangers within their gates.

In regard to Isaiah 56:2-7, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)

And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."

The sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15, which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses." *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. Period.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Sabbath keeping with all its rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

In regard to Mark 2:27, "the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.." This statement was in response to the accusation by the Pharisees that Jesus' disciples were breaking the law regarding resting on the sabbath while going through the fields and plucking heads of grain. (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5)

Jesus responded by giving an example from the Old Testament in which David was once in need of food and was given consecrated bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat (1 Samuel 21:1-6). The bread served a practical need for David and his men, just as with Jesus and His disciples, the grain served a practical need. David and his men were not acting sinfully in eating the showbread, and neither were Jesus’ disciples by plucking heads of grain on the sabbath. Jesus concludes, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. So, the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath." (Mark 2:27-28)

First off, the sabbath was intended to help people, not burden them. In contrast with the agonizing, daily work as slaves in Egypt, the Israelites were commanded to take a day of rest each week under the Mosaic Law. The Pharisees had turned the sabbath into a burden by adding restrictions beyond what God’s law said. The disciples had not broken God’s law, they merely violated the Pharisees’ own legalistic, interpretation of the law. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of the original intent of the sabbath rest. Jesus' statement does not teach that the sabbath was made for ALL mankind, as you suppose. The Israelites were of mankind, along with strangers within their gates.

In regard to Isaiah 56:2-7, foreigners were to "join themselves to the Lord;" and "love the name of the Lord;" and "be his servants;" and "take hold of God's covenant." The OLD COVENANT. But to do this they had to be circumcised, for God said: “No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary." (Ezekiel 44:9) When Gentiles thus "joined themselves to the Lord" they ceased being Gentiles and became proselytes to the Jewish religion. They kept the Sabbath AS JEWISH PROSELYTES, NOT as Gentiles.

But where are Gentiles as Gentiles ever commanded to keep the Sabbath? Furthermore, if the Sabbath was of universal application, why were the Gentiles called "strangers?" The apostle Paul, speaking of the Gentiles during the Jewish age, says they were "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world?" (Ephesians 2:12)

And when God gave the Sabbath commandment at Sinai, why did he make it binding ONLY on "the stranger that is within your gates?" (Exodus 20:10) Where is the passage that proves the Sabbath was binding on the Gentile OUTSIDE the gates? All this shows the Sabbath was NOT universally applied. If it had been, there would have been no "strangers from the covenants of promise."

The sabbath was not given to all the nations. It was given to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15, which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - "Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments. 14 So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, Through Your servant Moses." *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. Period.

A lot of your commentary is not supported by what the scriptures actually say or what Christ taught Mat 5:19

God’s people keep God’s commandments. Rev 14:12 The New Covenant is still with Israel and still has God’s law Heb 8:10 we don’t get to pick and choose God’s blessing and then pick and choose the laws we want to keep. As stated if we think we can sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17 and don’t need God’s sanctification Eze 20:12, then don’t keep the Sabbath, all works itself out soon enough

 

[Danthemailman]

A lot of your commentary is not supported by what the scriptures actually say or what Christ taught Mat 5:19

God’s people keep God’s commandments. Rev 14:12 The New Covenant is still with Israel and still has God’s law Heb 8:10 we don’t get to pick and choose God’s blessing and then pick and choose the laws we want to keep. As stated if we think we can sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17 and don’t need God’s sanctification Eze 20:12, then don’t keep the Sabbath, all works itself out soon enough

Mark of the Beast

Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast

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[SabbathBlessings]

Don’t you love how someone not from your denomination tells you what your denomination believes. I would take it with a grain of salt. A bit of truth mixed with untruths is still a lie.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Don’t you love how someone not from your denomination tells you what your denomination believes. I would take it with a grain of salt. A bit of truth mixed with untruths is still a lie.

That is precisely one of the reasons I reject Ellen White and her pronouncements on Christian denominations of which she actually knew little or nothing about.

 

[BukiRob]

Certainly in the beginning God finished the creation week with the seventh day for rest, that God said was holy. When much later God spoke to the people of Israel that time when they were at Mount Sinai, with the ten commandments spoken, and then given on stone tablets, and then again the same commandments on stone tablets, it was giving them the one day in a seven day week, the seventh, as the day of rest and to be thoughtful of God during this, God did say this day is holy. It is then still holy, whether we remember it or not. But Sabbath is made for man, we know Jesus Christ said this. We are not perfect, but this rest is possible with Sabbath when in Christ.

The apostles, including Paul, regularly attended Sabbath services in synagogues to preach and teach. For instance, in Acts 13:14, Paul and his companions went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day in Antioch. Similarly, in Acts 17:2, Paul is described as reasoning in the synagogue on three Sabbath days in Thessalonica. These passages indicate that the apostles maintained the practice of observing the Sabbath.
Additionally, early church writings indicate that both Jewish and Gentile Christians in Asia Minor and Syria observed the Sabbath, reflecting the traditions established by the apostles.
It isnt until the 4th century where you begin to see and abandonment of Sabbath. It is MY STRONG belief that followers of Christ should be keeping Sabbath. It isnt about what day of the week you gather for collective worship. THAT ISNT KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY...

 

[BobRyan]

Is it possible for a Christian to become unclean by touching, say, unclean things?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 15:2-3 - New International Reader's Version

“Speak to the Israelites. Tell them, ‘Suppose liquid waste is flowing out of a man’s body. That liquid is not “clean.” It does not matter whether it continues to flow out of his body or is blocked. It will make him “unclean.” Here is how his liquid body waste will make him “unclean.”

www.biblegateway.com

it is possible to touch a dead animal and need to then wash.

But if you are asking if I "pet my dog"... that is another thing.

 

[BobRyan]

David had an amazing relationship with God, but something changes with Jesus.

Bible Gateway passage: John 7:39 - New International Reader's Version

When he said this, he meant the Holy Spirit. Those who believed in Jesus would receive the Spirit later. Up to that time, the Spirit had not been given. This was because Jesus had not yet received glory.

www.biblegateway.com

Do you think David turned back into a lost soul as soon as Jesus was born? As soon as Jesus died?

 

[BobRyan]

God set aside the Sabbath before sin entered the earth so I think He had multiple purposes in creating it. I think His greatest reason was He knew we all, even before sin, need a day to devote exclusively to our relationship with Him for He is, and always has been, our righteousness. None of us have any righteousness outside of Him.

Amen!

It was for fellowship with God as Father and Creator --- undiluted by the daily tasks of the week.
Recall that in the gospels Adam is called "son of God" Luke 3:38.

 

[Leaf473]

it is possible to touch a dead animal and need to then wash.

But if you are asking if I "pet my dog"... that is another thing.

No, that's not what I was asking

What I'm bringing up is this idea:

If a man has liquid waste coming out of him, and he lays on a bed, and someone else touches that bad, is that someone else unclean?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 15:5 - New International Reader's Version

Anyone who touches the man’s bed must wash their clothes. They must take a bath. They will be “unclean” until evening.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[HIM]

Heb 4:8-9 presents another Sabbath rest for the people of God, the NT Sabbath rest--from one's own work to save and in Christ's work which saves.

That is not what the verse says. That is a serious twisting of God's word. Is that what one must resort to now?

 

[HIM]

No, that's not what I was asking

What I'm bringing up is this idea:

If a man has liquid waste coming out of him, and he lays on a bed, and someone else touches that bad, is that someone else unclean?

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 15:5 - New International Reader's Version

Anyone who touches the man’s bed must wash their clothes. They must take a bath. They will be “unclean” until evening.

www.biblegateway.com

I tell you what, have your whole family lay in it and don't wash afterwards. And then after a couple days go back in the room and roll in it some more and don't wash.
Let me know how that works out for you and yours and then tell me if your unclean or not.

Amen!

It was for fellowship with God undiluted by the daily tasks of the week.

And resting

So, Christians are commanded to keep the weekly Sabbath day under the law under the new covenant? Let's see how that works out.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Colossians 2:16 says,"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" Sabbth is plural not singular. And these sabbaths are those mentioned in the book of the Law not the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments. These sabbaths are also called a shadow of things to come. The Ten commandments were never called a shadow of anything. The word therefore in verse 16 as you know means what was is being said is a conclusion to what was just said. This brings us back to verse 13 and the proclamation of us being forgiven all trespasses. In respect to this forgiveness verse 14 states the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us, and contrary to us have been blotted by the nailing them to the Cross. These are they which are hand written in the book of the Law and were against us because of our sin. They condemned us and were contrary to us. The ceremonial and sacrificial services that were a shadow of Christ redemptive work. These principalities, things established first he spoiled, disarmed their powers and triumphed over them in it, the cross. These that were the handwriting to the ordinances, that which were established first written in the book of the law in which contained the meat and drink offerings, holy days, new moon and sabbaths. These were a shadow of things to come. Not the Ten Commandments in which the 7th Day Sabbath is of. Written by the finger of God on tables of stone. But those ordinances which dealt with our sin and our estrangement from God. These were a witness against us, placed on the side of the Ark of the covenant as Deut. 31:26 shares. Not the Ten Commandments in which the 7th day Sabbath is of.

Deut 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

[BobRyan]

What I'm bringing up is this idea:

If a man has liquid waste coming out of him, and he lays on a bed, and someone else touches that bad, is that someone else unclean?

not sure why that is coming up in your post

have you considered posting on the topic of the thread?

 

[HIM]

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used nowhere else in the Bible.

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

Not so. Vines definition is correct, but your interpretation is not. Two things being spoken of in verses 9 and 10. A rest which is called the Gospel in verses1 and 2. And a ceasing from work as God did. Which verse 4 tells us, and did rest from all His works as Genesis 2 proclaims.

And no, it is not future as one can plainly see by the words entered in respect the rest we have entered and the ceasing from works we also do AS God did if we have entered into the rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath keeping to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

 

[bbbbbbb]

The apostles, including Paul, regularly attended Sabbath services in synagogues to preach and teach. For instance, in Acts 13:14, Paul and his companions went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day in Antioch. Similarly, in Acts 17:2, Paul is described as reasoning in the synagogue on three Sabbath days in Thessalonica. These passages indicate that the apostles maintained the practice of observing the Sabbath.
Additionally, early church writings indicate that both Jewish and Gentile Christians in Asia Minor and Syria observed the Sabbath, reflecting the traditions established by the apostles.
It isnt until the 4th century where you begin to see and abandonment of Sabbath. It is MY STRONG belief that followers of Christ should be keeping Sabbath. It isnt about what day of the week you gather for collective worship. THAT ISNT KEEPING THE SABBATH HOLY...

The problem, as I see it, is there is a very boisterous denomination which is quite insistent that keeping the Sabbath consists of engaging in nineteenth-century American Protestant church activities on Saturday rather than Sundays. Is that really a Sabbath rest, ceasing from all work?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Do you think David turned back into a lost soul as soon as Jesus was born? As soon as Jesus died?

Where do suppose David was after he died? Was he nicely snoozing in his grave?