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Featured What holidays do you think should be forbidden for a Christian to participate in?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Oct 25, 2017.

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  1. Hammster

    Hammster Buckeye Newshawk Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Read it again. They didn’t do what they were supposed to because they were goats. We act according to our nature.
     
  2. Hammster

    Hammster Buckeye Newshawk Award Winner Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Your response as a whole.
     
  3. Kenny'sID

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    I've read it several times already, maybe you can point something out?
    Still, I will look again just the same.
     
  4. SeventyOne

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    My comments are based straight out of Matthew 23, where Jesus asks how could they ever possible not be sentenced to hell for what they do.

    As for the sheep and goats, that separation is made prior to any of their deeds being examined (and isn't actually relevant to my point).

    If you want to defend legalism that all who adhere to it will end up in hell for believing and preaching a false gospel, that's on you. I wouldn't recommend it.
     
  5. ThisIsMe123

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    Meanwhile, after little Jimmy gets his Easter basket, Mommy and Daddy says it's time for churchservices and then the CHURCH'S Easter Egg Hunt.

    *Gasp*, the church is committing a sin and they don't even know it! [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], they don't even realize it *eye roll*. Clergy apparently supports it, too. But who are you to say they are in the wrong when an entire community partakes in something that's not a sin? Oh, apparently some stranger on an Internet message board is going to say otherwise.

    But hey, at least they are making up for it by being regular church attendees and doing all other things Christian. ;-)
     
  6. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Thank you for your kind words.
    May God bless you in all good you do for Him.
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    It is silly to say that one is a sheep or goat by one's nature alone. A person is a sheep or goat based on what they do in the end. But sheep can be lost because Jesus left many sheep to find just one lost sheep. Then there are these babies (i.e. passages).

    Psalms 74:1 O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?

    Psalms 95:6-11 "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker. For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

    Jeremiah 23:1 "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!", saith the LORD.

    Jeremiah 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.

    Jeremiah 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
     
  8. Hammster

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    You could just stop the charade of not responding to me, especially if you are going to be insulting.
     
  9. Root of Jesse

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    Looks pagan to me...at least an indigenous Aztec thing to honor those they sacrificed.
     
  10. ViaCrucis

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    St. Paddy's or St. Pat's. Patty is the diminutive of Patricia, which is the feminine form of Patrick (or Patricius). The diminutive of Patrick is Pat or Paddy. The Feast Day of St. Patrick remembers the life of the saint who was stolen away and sold into slavery into Ireland, who later managed to escape, return to Britain, where after becoming a bishop returned to his former captors in order to proclaim to them the glorious message of the Gospel which they heard and received gladly.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. Root of Jesse

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    You mean, you can't repent?
     
  12. Root of Jesse

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    I have presented historical evidence...
    Then the solution is to get back to its origin, not to stop honoring our saints.
    It's not that hard to do your own thing...just avert your eyes and your mind. The question is, who's in control? You or those things?
    Well, here's the thing. I choose not to celebrate Halloween that way, but by praying, fasting, and going to Mass. I don't celebrate ANY holy days the way the secular world celebrates.
    But let's look at another perverted holiday-Memorial Day. I know! At first you say "How is Memorial Day a perverted holiday? Well, let me ask you! How do most people celebrate Memorial Day. Most people have barbecues, drink and just enjoy the day off from work. This is a perversion of the day. What is the Holiday? It's a day to remember our fallen dead in the military. And yet almost nobody goes to a military cemetery, or a real parade for such celebration. The question is, should we do away with it, since folks have lost sight of the reason for the holiday? Or should we celebrate, those few of us who do, the way it was meant to be-to honor those fallen heroes?
     
  13. Root of Jesse

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    You're right, they have no understanding like you and I do. But they know what it says.
     
  14. Root of Jesse

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    The seventh day is the Sabbath. Jesus rose on Sunday, the eighth day. The first day of the week, as Scripture tells us.
    Mark 16:9 Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

    John 20:1-2

    Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

    Matthew 28:1

    Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

    Mark 16:1-2

    When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him. Very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

    Acts 20:7

    On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

    1 Corinthians 16:1-2

    Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
     
  15. Root of Jesse

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    I believe in works inspired by our faith through grace.
     
  16. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I believe the Pharisees are a good example of legalism. It was all primarily about law with no real mercy or grace (See the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee). They tried to make it all about Law but they themselves did not keep the most important part of God's laws (Like love, faith, justice, and mercy - See Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42). Paul condemned this false way of thinking. Paul also condemned the following of the ceremonial laws for salvation within the Old Written Law like circumcision, etc. For Paul said, "what profit is there in circumcision?" (Romans 3:1). Paul said, "if you seek to be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2). So Paul condemned one trying to justify themselves by Law alone without God's grace (Jesus) and Paul condemned the following of the ceremonial laws within the Old Law. Paul did not condemn the following of God's eternal moral laws that carried on into the New Testament that ARE also necessary for salvation (Which is in harmony with God's saving grace). Note: God's moral laws would be things like: Do not murder, do not covet, do not steal, do not commit adultery, etc. (Which is the same as loving your neighbor).

    Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). So when a person says they condemn legalism, are they saying they condemn the idea that we are not saved in any way shape or form by keeping God's laws? No doubt you will say .... "yes." But if I say "Does that means you can be an ax murdering rapist and still be saved because you have a belief on Jesus?" You would of course say.... "no." (Even though some Eternal Security proponents would say... "yes"). So this means that you believe works or holiness is necessary for salvation but you are caught in a feed back loop or a circle of contradiction that you cannot explain properly. For nobody can be a practicing ax murdering rapist and believe in Jesus and be saved.

    But if keeping God's laws that tell you to not be an ax murdering rapist as a part of God's salvation, then by all means, you are free to get mad for keeping those laws as a part of God's saving grace.
     
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I need a little more info. than that. Explain what your talking about please.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yes. This is true. I also believe works are necessary for salvation. They are primarily God directed works done through the believer and not man directed works alone. For there is none good but God.
     
  19. Root of Jesse

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    The birth of Christ, the Resurrection of Christ are based on pagan origins? Regarding the Sabbath, nobody thinks Sunday is the Sabbath. Sabbath is Sabbath, Sunday is the Lord's Day.
    So you are a devotee of Judaism?
     
  20. Root of Jesse

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    You can't be a 'bad person', then be sorry for your ways, and stop? Like the good thief on the Cross?
     
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