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Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BABerean2, Mar 11, 2021.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The term "new covenant" is not found in Daniel 9. Gabriel did not make a mistake by not stating "new covenant" in the text, nor the messiah rising from the dead of the third day. Why not? The answer is in the bible.

    Who sought to have Jesus killed? Who sought to have Jesus kill himself in the temptation in the wilderness?
     
  2. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The timeline of CG's is faulty because it based on several mis-interpretations.
     
  3. jgr

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    I provided the links to the verses in Greek previously. Jesus did not use the word "new", nor did Gabriel for the same reason. It is self-evident.

    Nowhere do the words "Mt. Sinai covenant" appear anywhere in the entirety of Scripture.

    There is only one individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9.

    He is Messiah, who confirmed the New Covenant in His Blood in Matthew 26:28 and Mark 14:24, thereby also confirming Gabriel's/Daniel's prophecy.

    Couldn't be more clear.

    Except to the blind.
     
  4. mkgal1

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    Maybe in Islam and Modern-day Judaism.....but for Christians that believe that God is already king of all creation.....it is fulfilled.
     
  5. mkgal1

    mkgal1 His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33 Supporter

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    That's your opinion.

    Have you ever considered - being that you cannot find anyone that agrees with your interpretation - that you may be the one that misinterpreting?

    I can find scores of scholars that agree with Chris Gedge.
     
  6. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I copied and pasted from the KJV. Jesus did use the word "new" in those text.

    Gabriel did not use the words "new covenant" in Daniel 9.

    It all comes down to the same thing. The new covenant was not mentioned in Daniel 9, but you guys are trying to claim that it was in spite of Gabriel not using the words "new covenant" nor mentioning the messiah rising from the dead on the third day. Nor anything about the start of the messiah's ministry.

    And you have no idea of why what Jesus told the disciples was going to happen - was hidden from them to understand - in Luke 18.
     
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  7. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Go out there and a person can find a billion muslims who all agree with each other that Jesus was not crucified. So what? They are all wrong.
     
  8. jgr

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    Sorry to disappoint you, but the Greek takes precedence over every translation.

    There's no "new" in Matthew 26:28 or Mark 14:24 or Daniel 9:27, because "new" is self-evident.

    Do you agree that Jesus was referring to His New Covenant in Matthew 26:28 and Mark 14:24?
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I agree because new is in the text of the KJV.

    What you are doing is trying to rationalize that Gabriel referred to the new covenant in the text of Daniel 9 - when the facts are that Gabriel did not. What you are failing to respond to is why Gabriel did not and why Gabriel did mention the messiah rising on the third day.

    The reason is - because otherwise Satan and his angels would not have sought to have Jesus crucified.

    The answer is right in 1Corinthians2:7-8.

    7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

    8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    When Satan and his angels sought to have Jesus crucified, they thought that would be the end of the messiah. What they did not understand, because it was hidden even from the disciples understanding in Luke 18, was that the messiah's death and resurrection would be the very thing that permits God in equal justice to forgive man of his sin - while executing eternal judgment on Satan and his angels for their sin.

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    All of your eschatology position is based on the new covenant referred to in Daniel 9. But it is not there in the text, intentionally. The oversight you, Bab2, and MKgal are making is the magnitude of Satan's evil on creation.
     
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  10. jgr

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    Do you think that the KJV translation is more accurate than the original Greek?
     
  11. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I was not present in the development of what is known as the new testament bible. Development of the bible is for another forum.
     
  12. jgr

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    You don't have to have been present to answer the question.

    Do you think that the KJV translation is more accurate than the original Greek?
     
  13. mkgal1

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    Douggg.....we have taken our time to watch the videos you've shared.....can you at least return the respect by viewing this short video about the 1st century Jewish significance of the Resurrection of Jesus?

     
  14. BABerean2

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    Based on Hebrews 9:15, can the New Covenant be separated from the Messiah's death?


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  15. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I don't disagree with the principle in the video, but the world has not yet acknowledged that Jesus is Lord.

    In Daniel 9, Gabriel did not mention the resurrection of the messiah on the third day - because otherwise Satan and his angels would not have sought to crucify him - because the crucifying of the messiah and his resurrection (as indicated by the speaker in the video) would free man from the bondage of sin.
     
  16. Oseas

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    DANIEL 9:v.24 to 27

    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, ...

    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince, seven weeks and threescore and two weeks; ...
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, ...

    and the people of the PRINCE that shall come(not the Messiah, He was cut off there be many time ago) will destroy the sanctuary; ...

    27 And he (he whom? the prince that shall come to destroy the sanctuary; ... but who is him?)
    he (the prince) who shall confirm the covenant with MANY for one week -Revelation 11:v.1-2: (the 70th week) and in the midst of the week (after the end of the FIRST half of the week) he, the prince; (but who is this prince? Well, read Ezekiel 21:v.25 and so on, and Revelation 13:v.11-18, and 2 Thessalonians 2:v.8 to 12) YEAH he (that is the wicked prince) who shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (from the beginning to the end of the 2nd half of the week, plus 30 days - Daniel 12:v.11) , for the overspreading of abominations he (the wicked prince) will cause it be desolate even until the consummation, and that that is determined will be poured upon the desolate.

    Daniel 9:v.27CJB - Complete Jewish Bible

    27 He will make a strong covenant with leaders for one week [of years] -Revelation 11:v.1-2). For half of the week he will put a stop to the sacrifice and the grain offering. On the wing of detestable things the desolator will come and continue until the already decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”
     
  17. Douggg

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    Daniel 9
    the arrival and cutting off the messiah.
    the city and temple destroyed.
    the prince who shall come confirming the Mt Sinai covenant for 7 years, the 70th week
    the prince who shall come stopping the daily sacrifice in the middle of the 7 years, 70th week

    The vision of the little horn person, 2300 days, time of the end completed, sealed up, within the 70 weeks.
     
  18. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    But the person is not revealed to be the wicked - until the middle part of the 70th week. Before then the person will be the thought to be messiah, King of Israel, by the Jews, Israel.

    To be the thought to be messiah, King of Israel - he cannot be the Pope.
     
  19. Oseas

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    Wrong. Completely wrong.

    Since the beginning of the 70th week he will be known, when the COURT which is without the temple be given unto (MANY) the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Revelation 11:v.2 combined with Revelation 13:v.5
     
  20. Douggg

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    The 42 months in Revelation 11 v2 are in the second half.

    The 1260 days in Revelation 11 v3 are the first half as the two witnesses will be testifying that the Antichrist person is not the legitimate messiah King of Israel.

    The Pope has nothing to do with being the Antichrist person. The Antichrist person has to be a Jew.
     
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