Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

[Christian Gedge]

The timeline of CG's is faulty because it based on several mis-interpretations.

Count from the Emperor's decree to the manifestation of Christ. Get 483 years (69 weeks) It's too precise to be coincidence Doug.

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[mkgal1]

the world has not yet acknowledged that Jesus is Lord.

Remember your accusation against @Christian Gedge of misinterpreting text?

I believe you're rejecting New Testament text based an this expectation (that I believe is a misinterpretation).

 

[mkgal1]

Go out there and a person can find a billion muslims who all agree with each other that Jesus was not crucified. So what? They are all wrong.

......and we are only asking for ONE self-professed Christian that agrees with you. Just one.......not many.....not several. Just one. My point is......it's an interpretation of the New Testament that doesn't even align with orthodox Christianity. In other words......it is heterodoxy (another word for 'heresy').

 

[mkgal1]

In Daniel 9, Gabriel did not mention the resurrection of the messiah on the third day - because otherwise Satan and his angels would not have sought to crucify him

Jesus willingly gave His life on the Cross.

You are giving undue credit to "Satan".

The Cross was planned from before the foundation of the earth. The first prophecy of the Cross was at the "Fall of mankind" in Genesis.

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”​

My avatar represents Mary reassuring Eve that everything will be okay.....that God had a plan for humanity and that He will restore what sin had corrupted (and conquer death).

 

[Christian Gedge]

My avatar represents Mary reassuring Eve that everything will be okay.....that God had a plan for humanity and that He will restore what sin had corrupted

Okaaay ... never thought of that. Im sure that Mary and Eve had a lot to talk about.

 

[Douggg]

Count from the Emperor's decree to the manifestation of Christ. Get 483 years (69 weeks) It's too precise to be coincidence Doug.

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The errors on you chart is in your interpretation of unto messiah and messiah cutoff. I am not going to get into all the dating and choices of what command - I looked at your site and it gets too complex to go through it all.

Unto messiah is not the beginning of Jesus's ministry, nor him being anointed by the Holy Spirit signified by the dove at the Jordan river 18 miles outside of Jerusalem. Jesus came to where John was baptizing from Galilee, not Jerusalem.

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

The 62 weeks and 7 weeks is upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people. Jesus arrived in Jerusalem riding the donkey in John 12:12-15, hailed as the messiah, King of Israel, by his followers.

4 days later, He was cutoff, crucified. Prophecy fulfilled. No dating, what command, controversy.

There is no taking the gospel to the gentiles in Daniel 9.

CG what you are overlooking is the 70 weeks includes the fulfillment of the vision Daniel and Gabriel referred to about the little horn, the 2300 days, the stopping of the daily sacrifice, the little horn being destroyed when he stands up against the Prince of princes Jesus. That vision is time of the end.

 

[Douggg]

Remember your accusation against @Christian Gedge of misinterpreting text?

I believe you're rejecting New Testament text based an this expectation (that I believe in a misinterpretation).

I am not rejecting the New Testament text. I presented the text of 1Corinthians2:7-8 why the words new covenant is not in Daniel 9 intentionally, nor any mention by Gabriel of the messiah rising from the grave on the third day.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus willingly gave His life on the Cross. It was planned from before the foundation of the earth. The first prophecy of the Cross was at the "Fall of mankind" in Genesis. My avatar represents Mary reassuring Eve that everything will be okay.....that God had a plan for humanity and that He will restore what sin had corrupted.

Yes all of that is correct. What you are not correct on is why the words new covenant is not in Daniel 9 and Gabriel not mentioning that the messiah would rise from the grave on the third day.

 

[Douggg]

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[jgr]

I am not rejecting the New Testament text. I presented the text of 1Corinthians2:7-8 why the words new covenant is not in Daniel 9 intentionally, nor any mention by Gabriel of the messiah rising from the grave on the third day.

No words "Mt. Sinai covenant".
No mention of Moses at Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses ascending Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses on Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses receiving the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses descending Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses descending Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments.

Should I continue?

 

[Douggg]

Jesus willingly gave His life on the Cross.

You are giving undue credit to "Satan".

Everyone knows that Jesus willingly gave His life on the Cross.

Regarding your comment on Satan - credit is the wrong word. Blame is the right word.

Satan is to blame for all the sorrows of man when it comes right down to it. Satan is the father of lies and sin.

 

[jgr]

Yes all of that is correct. What you are not correct on is why the words new covenant is not in Daniel 9 and Gabriel not mentioning that the messiah would rise from the grave on the third day.

Debunked by Jesus and Gabriel.

 

[jgr]

Yes all of that is correct. What you are not correct on is why the words new covenant is not in Daniel 9 and Gabriel not mentioning that the messiah would rise from the grave on the third day.

You haven't answered my question yet.

Do you think that the KJV translation is more accurate than the original Greek?

 

[Oseas]

The 42 months in Revelation 11 v2 are in the second half.

I come back. I was in another place.

Again, you are wrong. Completely wrong. Revelation 13:v.5 refers to the FIRST Beast, the Beast of sea (Revelation 13:v.1 to 10), and it is the FIRST Man Beast, the Beast of sea, who will ruler the FIRST half of the 70th week, BY THE WAY, the Dragon, the Wicked prince, will give unto the Man Beast of sea his Power, and his Throne, and GREAT Authority, for the COURT which is without the temple will be given unto (MANY) the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Yes, it is true, Revelation 11:v.2 combined really with Revelation 13:v.5.

What you say according your spirit only try to confound the readers here, he brings not any revelation but only confusion among the brothers.

 

[Douggg]

No words "Mt. Sinai covenant".
No mention of Moses at Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses ascending Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses on Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses receiving the Ten Commandments on Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses descending Mt. Sinai.
No mention of Moses descending Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments.

Which covenant is the law of Moses?

Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.


Regarding the confirming of the law of Moses covenant for 7 years, the 7 year cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13


9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.


jgr, look at my chart upper right hand corner.... Moses requirement has not been done in recent memory because the Muslims control the temple mount (by consent of the Israeli government). And the cycle has been lost, and must be restarted - which is what the Antichrist will do.

 

[Douggg]

You haven't answered my question yet.

Do you think that the KJV translation is more accurate than the original Greek?

I don't know enough about the subject to comment. What manuscripts etc. You need to talk to someone like James White, if want to pursue that matter. I am not a linguistics theologian.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, it is true, Revelation 11:v.2 combined really with Revelation 13:v.5.

What you say according your spirit only try to confound the readers here, he brings not any revelation but only confusion among the brothers.

Oseas, how confusing is this to you?

 

[jgr]

I don't know enough about the subject to comment. What manuscripts etc. You need to talk to someone like James White, if want to pursue that matter. I am not a linguistics theologian.

You agree that the word "new" was not in the original Greek.

I'm confident that James White and anyone else would agree as well.

 

[Douggg]

You agree that the word "new" was not in the original Greek.

I'm confident that James White and anyone else would agree as well.

What I know is the word "new" is in the KVJ.

 

[jgr]

What I know is the word "new" is in the KVJ.

What you know but deny is that the word "new" is not in the Greek.