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[keras]

Not the same earthquake in Revelation 11:13 as Revelation 16:18.

The earthquake in Revelation 11:13 strikes Jerusalem, a tenth of the city (it's buildings implied) fall.

Differently, the earthquake in Revelation 16:18 is accompanied by giant hail. Revelation 16:17-21 takes place after the nations have gathered their armies at Armageddon in Revelation 16:16 to make war on Jesus. It is final vial poured out, just before Jesus descends to earth to stand on the Mt of Olives in Zechariah 14.

AS you well know; some Prophesies give more detail after the first mention of something.
There will not be two earthquakes, there is no mention of an earthquake at the mid point of the final 7 years. Unless you have proof of your beliefs, they are just your faulty opinion and errors.

It is undeniable that Revelation 11 is all about the second half of the final 7 years. The 'beast'; Satan is in control and it ends with an earthquake in Jerusalem and the 2 Witness being taken up as Jesus Returns. They will be raised back to life, along with the other GT martyrs.

Your 'chart' is a confused mish-mash of shuffled prophecy and speculation.

 

[Douggg]

AS you well know; some Prophesies give more detail after the first mention of something.
There will not be two earthquakes, there is no mention of an earthquake at the mid point of the final 7 years. Unless you have proof of your beliefs, they are just your faulty opinion and errors.

It is undeniable that Revelation 11 is all about the second half of the final 7 years. The 'beast'; Satan is in control and it ends with an earthquake in Jerusalem and the 2 Witness being taken up as Jesus Returns. They will be raised back to life, along with the other GT martyrs.

Your 'chart' is a confused mish-mash of shuffled prophecy and speculation.

The 7th angel sounds after the earthquake in Revelation 11:13.

The 7th angel announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be. Which is Revelation 12:12, Satan's time/times/half time left.

1260 days..... then Revelation 11:13..... then Revelation 11:15, 7th angel sounds.... then the third woe, Revelation 12:12, the time/times/half time

 

[Douggg]

@keras

What would be the reason for the two witnesses' activities be in either the first half or second half of the seven years - in a nation of Christians in your Beulah scenario ?

 

[One God and Father of All]

The time, times, half time of Daniel 7:25 is the second half.

First half
1260 days, Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

Second half
42 months, Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The confirmation of the new covenant with many is to last for 7 years.

In the middle of those 7 years he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. The sacrifice and oblation refers to the daily sacrifice.

The numerical times in both Daniel and Revelation begin by the confirmation of the covenant. The start of the seven years.

Correct?

 

[One God and Father of All]

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The beginning of the 7 years, or when the confirmation of the covenant begins, is spoken of as “many running to and fro when knowledge shall increase”, and in Revelation as the “sealing of the servants of God in their foreheads”.

In the middle of this 7 years, “he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease” And the AoD to be setup instead. “The image of the beast”.

This setting up (In the Temple) and worship of the beast is spoken of as the “overspreading of abominations” that “he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation” (Dan 9:27)

The setting up of the AoD is when they are to worship the dragon (man of sin) and the beast(the Assyrian). This is also when those of whom knowledges has increased (144,000 sealed believers, or remnant of Israel) will be persecuted and many put to death for refusing to worship the abomination.

When the time of the persecution of the remnant of Israel is complete, the tide will turn, and the man of sin and the beast will be made desolate. Those who were killed for their testimony of truth will be raised from the dead. And the remnant who survived will stand victorious on the mountain of God.

All the faithful with immortal bodies will reign over God”s kingdom in the unseen world. Those faithful, and those who believe, and who remain mortal will reign the kingdom in the visible world over all the nations of the earth.

 

[Douggg]

The numerical times in both Daniel and Revelation begin by the confirmation of the covenant. The start of the seven years.

Correct?

Correct.

 

[Douggg]

The beginning of the 7 years, or when the confirmation of the covenant begins, is spoken of as “many running to and fro when knowledge shall increase”, and in Revelation as the “sealing of the servants of God in their foreheads”.

The many running to and fro when knowledge shall increase - is a characteristic of the time of the end generation.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The sealing of the 144,000 is during the 7 years, right before any of the judgements begin - not right at the start of the 7 years.

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[keras]

The 7th angel sounds after the earthquake in Revelation 11:13.

The 7th angel announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be. Which is Revelation 12:12, Satan's time/times/half time left.

1260 days..... then Revelation 11:13..... then Revelation 11:15, 7th angel sounds.... then the third woe, Revelation 12:12, the time/times/half time

The message of the Seventh Trumpet is to reveal the hidden Purpose of God, Revelation 19:7
That Purpose is fulfilled when Jesus Returns and takes up His Millennium reign. As described in Rev 11:15-19
This information does not mean the Return is at the Seventh Trumpet.

Note that the violent hailstorm, is mentioned in Revelation 11:19, proving its connection with Armageddon. Rev 16:18
Those killed at Armageddon are not burned, as their corpses are edible to the carrion eaters. Rev 19:18

What would be the reason for the two witnesses' activities be in either the first half or second half of the seven years - in a nation of Christians in your Beulah scenario ?

The final seven years commences with the signing of a peace treaty between the leader of the World Government and the leader of the new Christian nation of Beulah. Daniel 9:27,
Note that not all of the citizens of Beulah will agree to that treaty. Just 'many'. Isaiah 28:14-16
It will be peaceful for the first half, that is why it isn't mentioned.

The attack by a Northern confederation, led by a man called Gog; will have just happened with their total destruction. This could be what motivates the OWG leader to negotiate this 7 year peace treaty.
But he will break it at the mid point and will conquer Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2 A walkover, as they will have no defences.

The 2 Witnesses and those Christians who did agree to that treaty, Rev 12:17, Daniel 11:32, will remain in the holy Land, while those who relied on the protection of the Lord, will taken to a place of safety for the last 1260 days.

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[keras]

The sealing of the 144,000 is during the 7 years, right before any of the judgements begin - not right at the start of the 7 years.

I always have to correct your wild guesses.
The given sequence in the Bible is the next Prophesied event: the Sixth Seal world changer. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 51:2b
Then the Christian peoples gather into all of the holy land, where Jesus will be revealed to them. 2 Thess 1:10, Revelation 14:1

The 144,000 are selected out of the vast multitude, the new inhabitants of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, which John sees in Jerusalem. Rev 7:9 They will go out to all the nations and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19

 

[One God and Father of All]

The many running to and fro when knowledge shall increase - is a characteristic of the time of the end generation.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The sealing of the 144,000 is during the 7 years, right before any of the judgements begin - not right at the start of the 7 years.

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Yes, the confirmation of the covenant is for 7 years
The Assyrian(beast)is not to attack the people of Israel (earth, sea, trees)until the 144,000 out of them are sealed. After they are sealed the Assyrian will attack the people of Israel.
I think the time when knowledge will increase, is the time of the sealing of the 144,000.
The opening of the words of the book are at the time of the end. Not the end of the judgments, but before.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Yes, the confirmation of the covenant is for 7 years
The Assyrian(beast)is not to attack the people of Israel (earth, sea, trees)until the 144,000 out of them are sealed. After they are sealed the Assyrian will attack the people of Israel.
I think the time when knowledge will increase, is the time of the sealing of the 144,000.
The opening of the words of the book are at the time of the end. Not the end of the judgments, but before.

The opening of the first seal is the beginning of God’s judgments upon His people Israel.
The one riding the white horse is an evil king over Israel. He is the little horn of Daniel 7. And the red dragon. He sets out to conquer. He is a fierce king who likens himself as God. Paul calls him “the man of sin”
He will join with the Assyrian and become a mouth to that 10 horned, 7 headed beast.
It will be then that the daily sacrifice is ceased and the image of the dragon and beast is set up in the temple.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, the confirmation of the covenant is for 7 years
The Assyrian(beast)is not to attack the people of Israel (earth, sea, trees)until the 144,000 out of them are sealed. After they are sealed the Assyrian will attack the people of Israel.

No, it is the four angels who were told not hurt the earth and sea - until the 144, 000 were sealed. Who are those 4 angels ? They are the first four angels of the trumpet judgments, hurt to the earth and sea.

1. a third of the trees burnt up, all the green grass
2. fire cast into the sea, a third part of the sea becomes blood, death to a thrid of the creatures in the sea, a third of the ships destroyed.
3. a great burning star, falling to earth from heaven, poisoning a third of the rivers and fountains of waters.
4. a third part of the sun smitten, a third part of the moon, and a third part of the stars, light on earth restricted by a third, and night in darkness.

The last three angels of the trumpet judgments announce the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

 

[One God and Father of All]

No, it is the four angels who were told not hurt the earth and sea - until the 144, 000 were sealed. Who are those 4 angels ? They are the first four angels of the trumpet judgments, hurt to the earth and sea.

1. a third of the trees burnt up, all the green grass
2. fire cast into the sea, a third part of the sea becomes blood, death to a thrid of the creatures in the sea, a third of the ships destroyed.
3. a great burning star, falling to earth from heaven, poisoning a third of the rivers and fountains of waters.
4. a third part of the sun smitten, a third part of the moon, and a third part of the stars, light on earth restricted by a third, and night in darkness.

The last three angels of the trumpet judgments announce the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

The four angels who are commanded not to attack are the 4 commanders of the 4 divisions of the armies surrounding Israel‘s four corners.

All of this is being shown to be controlled by God. He is working through Christ and his saints and angels to hold back the 4 commanders until the 144,000 are sealed. Then God allows the armies surrounding the four corners of the earth (land of Israel) to attack.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The trumpet judgments show what will happen to the people of Israel after the 144,000 have been sealed and the 4 divisions of the armies attack. They will be left desolate but for a remnant.

 

[Douggg]

The four angels who are commanded not to attack are the 4 commanders of the 4 divisions of the armies surrounding Israel‘s four corners.

What four divisions of armies surrounding Israel's four corners ? Where you coming up with that ?

The restraint order to the four angels is not to hurt the earth, the sea, the trees - until after the 144,000 are sealed. Revelation 7:2-3.

 

[One God and Father of All]

What four divisions of armies surrounding Israel's four corners ? Where you coming up with that ?

The restraint order to the four angels is not to hurt the earth, the sea, the trees - until after the 144,000 are sealed. Revelation 7:2-3.

The four divisions answer to the image of Daniel 2 and the four great beasts of Dan 7

 

[Douggg]

The four divisions answer to the image of Daniel 2 and the four great beasts of Dan 7

What four military division are in the image of Daniel 2 and in the four great beasts of Daniel 7 ? What verses in those chapters have four military divisions that will be surrounding Israel in the end times ?

 

[One God and Father of All]

What four military division are in the image of Daniel 2 and in the four great beasts of Daniel 7 ? What verses in those chapters have four military divisions that will be surrounding Israel in the end times ?

The image shown in Dan 2 represented the 4 kingdoms that were to come. Each kingdom has since come and gone. However, when the stone strikes the image it is again standing fully erected, and will then be ground to powder. Which shows that those kingdoms have a second application in prophecy. Those 4 kingdoms were all military divisions, and will be again when the image is reconstructed.
Daniel 7 speaks of this same reconstructed image as the four great beasts.

 

[Douggg]

The image shown in Dan 2 represented the 4 kingdoms that were to come. Each kingdom has since come and gone. However, when the stone strikes the image it is again standing fully erected, and will then be ground to powder. Which shows that those kingdoms have a second application in prophecy. Those 4 kingdoms were all military divisions, and will be again when the image is reconstructed.
Daniel 7 speaks of this same reconstructed image as the four great beasts.

The stone does not strike the statue image until the ten toes, the ten kings of Daniel 7, are in place. Causing the statue image to topple and break up into dust and be blown away. To be fulfilled at Jesus's Second Coming.

No standing back up of the statue. Once down, it is down for good.

 

[One God and Father of All]

The stone does not strike the statue image until the ten toes, the ten kings of Daniel 7, are in place. Causing the statue image to topple and break up into dust and be blown away. To be fulfilled at Jesus's Second Coming.

No standing back up of the statue. Once down, it is down for good.

Right. The image of Daniel 2 does not speak of the ten horns or little horn. Dan 7 adds this information.
We also learn that the 4th beast has 10 horns and 7 heads. This beast answers to the Assyrian.
Before the stone strikes the image, the four great beast, including the mighty Assyrian will surround Israel.
The Assyrian is the rod of God’s anger to bring judgment upon His people.
These 4 divisions of armies are commanded, ultimately by God, to not attack and bring judgment until the ones to be sealed are sealed.
When the work of the 4 beasts is completer, God will desolate them.