Two NYPD executed

[variant]

I can't speak for the rest of the population, but I've cried foul when police have been wrong. I did so for Eric Garner. I believe the officer(s) involved should've been indicted. That being said, I also respect the grand jury's decision.

I don't respect the decision as I consider it both incorrect and largely harmful.

The mayor said enough for the anti-police crowd (remember, the ones calling for violence) to feel empowered by their anger.

So what exactly was wrong with what he said?

I don't need to do anything to taint my "opposition" (whoever that might be). Their own words are proof.

Obviously you do, since you just took another swipe at the Mayor who didn't call for any violence.

Nor has anyone I know here EVER taken a "police can do no wrong" position.

The police are indeed taking that position both legally and politically.

Literally turning their backs on and blaming the mayor for the actions of a murderer because he disagreeing with their practices, heard out the protesters and admitting to racial differences in policing...

But I sure have seen MANY people take the "police officers are pigs and deserve to die" stance here. Reference Protocol's post(s). I see you grant him one or two sentences of lecture, while giving me paragraph upon paragraph of why I'm wrong.

The disparity is rather obvious, Variant.

Would you rather a quick acrid dismissal of you and all you stand for or a more involved discussion of someone who disagrees and is irritated with you but is willing to talk further?

But to be fair you are getting more posts because you are spending more time defending yourself. I do feel rather dismissive about your intention to blame people who disagree with you and have not called for violence for violence, you've done so several times now.

 

[Protocol11]

how many have to die and suffer at the hands of cops before we see them held to account for their actions and see a reversal in the violent power hungry mentality that is these abuses stem from?

the kids of these police wont have a father for christmas. tamir rices parents wont have their son. its a tragedy on both sides. but until cops are held to account like the rest of us, then there will exist the need for extra judicial justice. this is what happens when the system that is supposed to be just and righteous is completely corrupt and abusive.

 

[variant]

how many have to die and suffer at the hands of cops before we see them held to account for their actions and see a reversal in the violent power hungry mentality that is these abuses stem from?

the kids of these police wont have a father for christmas. tamir rices parents wont have their son. its a tragedy on both sides. but until cops are held to account like the rest of us, then there will exist the need for extra judicial justice. this is what happens when the system that is supposed to be just and righteous is completely corrupt and abusive.

Its revolting that anyone can call for angry mob justice with a straight face.

It means you have no sense of history, justice or ethical behavior in general.

People like you are sincerely counterproductive.

 

[Protocol11]

im simply tired of hearing stories of police abuse and then hearing those police completely get away with it.

i believe in fighting tyranny in all forms.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I don't respect the decision as I consider it both incorrect and largely harmful. So what exactly was wrong with what he said? Obviously you do, since you just took another swipe at the Mayor who didn't call for any violence. The police are indeed taking that position both legally and politically. Literally turning their backs on and blaming the mayor for the actions of a murderer because he disagreeing with their practices, heard out the protesters and admitting to racial differences in policing... Would you rather a quick acrid dismissal of you and all you sand for or a more involved discussion of someone who disagrees and is irritated with you but is willing to talk further? But to be fair you are getting more posts because you are spending more time defending yourself. I do feel rather dismissive about your intention to blame people who disagree with you and have not called for violence for violence, you've done so several times now.

I can't be more clear than this: I am NOT blaming those who have rightfully and legally protested. I have NOT blamed those who have legitimate grievances with the police. I have maintained blame on those who are calling for the death of police.

Is enough for you to stop claiming I'm blaming the ones not calling for violence?

 

[variant]

im simply tired of hearing stories of police abuse and then hearing those police completely get away with it.

i believe in fighting tyranny in all forms.

People willing to resort to violence and terror are acting out of despair rather than rationality, and it is not going to get them where they want to go, quite the opposite.

Violence due to despair is an emotional response that has terrible long term consequences.

If your goal is to reduce police abuse then promoting violence simply convinces your opposition that you are the greater evil than even a corrupted system.

And, they will be right.

Think of the good police officers who now fear for their lives? Do you think they are going to listen to you now?

Good systemic changes don't come from places of fear, rage and despair.

 

[variant]

I can't be more clear than this: I am NOT blaming those who have rightfully and legally protested. I have NOT blamed those who have legitimate grievances with the police. I have maintained blame on those who are calling for the death of police.

Is enough for you to stop claiming I'm blaming the ones not calling for violence?

You did though, you blamed the Mayor and you blamed a poster here (Bedford). You also mentioned "race baiters" so I don't specifically know if you meant those people who were calling for violence.

These people just disagree with you they didn't call for any violence.

 

[Bedford]

MORE people will die, and it won't be because of a few bad cops. It will be because of statements like yours.

I have maintained blame on those who are calling for the death of police.

Is enough for you to stop claiming I'm blaming the ones not calling for violence?

I have not called for any violence, yet you blame me for future deaths.

Shame on you.

 

[cow451]

Cow - The mother (of his shot girlfriend) saw messages on his Instragram (spelling?) showing he was going to do just that. The mother called the NYPD when she saw the message, but it was too late.

I’m Putting Wings on Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours . . . Let’s Take 2 of Theirs. The post continued, and ending with, “This May Be My Final Post.”

That sure sounds like revenge to me. He also used the popular hashtags that are being used today (shoot the police, RIP Eric Garner - Michael Brown).

Confirms my point about murder/suicide (by cop if necessary)/ blaze of glory. The guy has a rap sheet two miles long. The recent controversy was just a convenient hastag.

That is no comfort to the murdered ones' families but these are the facts.

 

[nightflight]

Crosshairs on a map were blamed for a shooting a few years ago; why can't the present "tone" be blamed now as well?

 

[cow451]

Why should we expect cops would be more righteous than lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, sport figures, etc?

Which ones can legally shoot you for disagreeing?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Today's news counts another officer down:

Police: Fugitive Killed Florida Cop, a Father of Six Who Worked Midnight Shift to Be With Youngest Daughter | Video | TheBlaze.com

MIAMI (TheBlaze/AP) — A fugitive trying to evade an arrest warrant shot a Tampa-area police officer and then ran him over early Sunday, killing the officer, police said.​

 

[cow451]

Unable to quote NHE. No one is connecting the Florida incident with the police protests or the NYC murders. Derail Fail!

 

[CryOfALion]

Of course it is a tragedy on both sides - for the cops and the many thousands of people the police have harassed in some way. But...

How convenient that all of these things are happening now. The States are being had; while everyone's hearts are bleeding for these cops, or even the shooting victims by cops, laws are being passed underneath your nose. I would think by now people would be hip to the process: distractions with gender/race/sexuality/income come at the same time some law is being passed underneath the nose.

For now, it is called TRIPRA, which was supposed to be dealt with in 2013, but oh how convenient this bill is in the works for renewal while the North Korea incidents are happing, and the people are distracted by blatant racial demagoguery.


The media has blacked out the fact that this alleged cop killer so tried to kill his girlfriend, then for some reason chose to travel hundreds of miles to Brooklyn to allegedly kill cops. The focus is on a black man who had a vendetta - not a man who is mentally disturbed. The bleeding hearts on both sides therefore become emotionally invested in the narrative, instead of digging up questions as to why things are evolving as they are.

Will we ever learn? My gosh... do people realize a divided people is the best thing for a corrupt government, taking the attention off of their practices, and dampening the possibility of revolution? Emotionalism is a powerful hypnotic.

 

[Bedford]

Crosshairs on a map were blamed for a shooting a few years ago; why can't the present "tone" be blamed now as well?

Shall we blame the tone of the anti-government right wing for the assassination of two police officers in Las Vegas?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Unable to quote NHE. No one is connecting the Florida incident with the police protests or the NYC murders. Derail Fail!

What???

Should I have started yet another police officer thread to point out the Florida officer's murder? I suggest another cup of coffee, Cow. Have a nice day. Be sure to thank any police officers you cross paths with today. Thank them for helping to keep your world just a little safer than it would otherwise be.

 

[Bedford]

What???

Should I have started yet another police officer thread to point out the Florida officer's murder? I suggest another cup of coffee, Cow. Have a nice day. Be sure to thank any police officers you cross paths with today. Thank them for helping to keep your world just a little safer than it would otherwise be.

Cops don't keep people safe. Rational and caring people do. Cops almost never stop crime. What they do is clean up after the mess has been made.

Remember, the gun advocates biggest argument for guns is there won't be a cop when you need one.

 

[nightflight]

Shall we blame the tone of the anti-government right wing for the assassination of two police officers in Las Vegas?

You tell me. Just a few short years ago the media went all out trying to blame Sarah Palin and her map for the Tuscon shootings, though there was absolutely NO evidence that was so.

 

[variant]

Crosshairs on a map were blamed for a shooting a few years ago; why can't the present "tone" be blamed now as well?

You don't think the cross hairs map was out of line?

People calling for violence are out of line period.

If you agree with the premise that it's wrong to broad brush people not calling for violence it does not excuse people doing it now.

 

[Protocol11]

Oh get a grip on reality. crosshairs on a map had nothing to do with that shooting. youre starting to sound like some liberal loon.