Two NYPD executed

[Bedford]

Why should we expect cops would be more righteous than lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, sport figures, etc?

Lowering the bar?

Why shouldn't airline pilots be allowed to do drugs or drink alcohol while they are flying? I am sure that lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, and even some sport figures do.

 

[Smidlee]

Killing cops just because of what another cop did is the same logical as in killing a certain race of people just because what one of the same race did.

If our court and legal system wasn't a complete joke then it wouldn't put so much pressure on the cops the start with.

 

[variant]

Why should we expect cops would be more righteous than lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, sport figures, etc?

We shouldn't, that's why setting the legal system up to protect them in a way normal citizens are not protected is a mistake.

 

[Smidlee]

We shouldn't, that's why setting the legal system up to protect them in a way normal citizens are not protected is a mistake.

And you think it's any different from lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, sport figures? You don't think judges and lawyers don't protect their own from the "normal" citizens?

 

[variant]

And you think it's any different from lawyers, politicians, judges, movie stars, sport figures? You don't think judges and lawyers don't protect their own from the "normal" citizens?

I think they do. It's just something that is not helpful and a solution should be found.

It becomes problematic when police become insular and separated from the communities they police.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Please quote the offending passages:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7526180/

Or you know you can retract your statement and apologize.

Careful what you ask for, cause you just might get it.

The Tea party supports candidates that want to make abortion illegal regardless of rape or incest, so the older mans hostility to the younger woman goes well beyond a few bumps and bruises.

Only reason I'm not going to keep digging is cause I'm not out to embarass you.

 

[Smidlee]

I think they do. It's just something that is not helpful and a solution should be found.

It becomes problematic when police become insular and separated from the communities they police.

The problem is they are those who are prejudice against cops just like there are those who prejudice against other groups of people. The cops has to deal with our legal system failures.

 

[variant]

Careful what you ask for, cause you just might get it.

Only reason I'm not going to keep digging is cause I'm not out to embarass you.

Um the guy actually beat her. I pointed out that he also ideologically wanted to remove her rights.

I do appreciate the thread derail into a personal attack on my consistency by someone who said people shouldn't flame or personally attack.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Um the guy actually beat her. I pointed out that he also ideologically wanted to remove her rights.

Doesn't change the fact you tried to associate his behavior to the Tea Party...

 

[variant]

Doesn't change the fact you tried to associate his behavior to the Tea Party...

I did not blame the Tea Party for his violence, I blamed them for his ideology.

 

[variant]

The problem is they are those who are prejudice against cops just like there are those who prejudice against other groups of people. The cops has to deal with our legal system failures.

Police simply do not deserve extra protection.

 

[GarfieldJL]

I did not blame the Tea Party for his violence, I blamed them for his ideology.

Congratulations, you just admitted that I have no reason to retract my statement.

 

[variant]

Congratulations, you just admitted that I have no reason to retract my statement.

You said I said that the Tea Party promoted violence. I did nothing of the sort. At least not in that quote.

Why not? Liberals seemed perfectly willing to blame the Tea Party for any violent statements (even fictious ones), to attempt to discredit them. Why should people of the group you support be treated any differently?

Did I even say he was violent because of his ideology, or that people with his ideology were violent? Nope.

I just said that I thought he was a Tea Partier and hostile toward younger women in an ideological sense.

 

[Protocol11]

the cops have collectively brought this on themselves and have only themselves to blame. they routinely abuse large swaths of the public.

they murder children, sexually assault men and women, beat women and the elderly, throw flashbangs into childrens cribs, frame innocent people, ruin lives, violate rights, steal and lie and get away with it.

how long did they think they could trample all over us without consequence?

 

[nightflight]

the cops have collectively brought this on themselves and have only themselves to blame. they routinely abuse large swaths of the public.

they murder children, sexually assault men and women, beat women and the elderly, throw flashbangs into childrens cribs, frame innocent people, ruin lives, violate rights, steal and lie and get away with it.

how long did they think they could trample all over us without consequence?

Wow.

 

[variant]

the cops have collectively brought this on themselves and have only themselves to blame. they routinely abuse large swaths of the public.

they murder children, sexually assault men and women, beat women and the elderly, throw flashbangs into childrens cribs, frame innocent people, ruin lives, violate rights, steal and lie and get away with it.

how long did they think they could trample all over us without consequence?

The people shot were basically random, blaming them for your dislike of the police and acting like they deserved it is horrid and shameful.

 

[GarfieldJL]

The people shot were basically random, blaming them for your dislike of the police and acting like they deserved it is horrid and shameful.

Glad we can at least agree on that much.

 

[variant]

Glad we can at least agree on that much.

I think everyone should be able to agree that no one deserves to be indiscriminately killed or harmed for the perceived actions of a group they belong to.

Seems pretty basic actually.

 

[Smidlee]

the cops have collectively brought this on themselves and have only themselves to blame. they routinely abuse large swaths of the public.

they murder children, sexually assault men and women, beat women and the elderly, throw flashbangs into childrens cribs, frame innocent people, ruin lives, violate rights, steal and lie and get away with it.

how long did they think they could trample all over us without consequence?

If cops were really that evil like drug lords then people would fear them. How many would be stupid enough to confront a full loaded drug lord who wouldn't blink an eye of shooting them dead. We are asking to be ruled and controlled by evil men ... organized crime. We are becoming like the Middle East as extreme violence is the only way to get our attention.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep, there is enough blame to go around. At least I understand that both sides have contributed to the problem, whereas you appear to be standing firm on one side. I bet it has something to do with your time in Detroit, right?

I stand firm on police officers doing their job.

What that has to do with my living in Detroit, I'm not sure. Wanna explain that strawman?

I believe people are responcable for their own actions.

Including calling for violence which is almost always inappropriate since we don't live in a dictatorship.

I agree with this.

Calling for protest and civil disobedience though is entirely appropriate, some people, though are going to be prone to take things too far.

I agree with this too. I think you'll see then my larger point - which was that the ones calling for violence are outscreaming the ones calling for true justice.

They are entirely wrong, and very unhelpful, but they are a symptom.

And they need to be held accountable.

I read Bedford as simply pointing out the logical consequences of continued police brutality, and the crass allowance there of.

One of the problems here is that the police and their sympathizers don't want to admit that anything wrong happened or happens or make any changes, which simply ignores the grievances against them.

I can't speak for the rest of the population, but I've cried foul when police have been wrong. I did so for Eric Garner. I believe the officer(s) involved should've been indicted. That being said, I also respect the grand jury's decision.

The Mayor is getting a sincere disrespect from the Police for not marching in lock step and everyone in the opposition whether they called for any violence or not is getting blamed for what was the act of a murderer.

The mayor said enough for the anti-police crowd (remember, the ones calling for violence) to feel empowered by their anger.

You are just ignoring the problem and spreading the blame undeservingly to taint your opposition.

I don't need to do anything to taint my "opposition" (whoever that might be). Their own words are proof.

My position is that holding the police to higher standards of action will result in fewer police deaths, less crime overall and less civil unrest and that the position that the police can do no wrong is fool-hearty.

Nor has anyone I know here EVER taken a "police can do no wrong" position.

But I sure have seen MANY people take the "police officers are pigs and deserve to die" stance here. Reference Protocol's post(s). I see you grant him one or two sentences of lecture, while giving me paragraph upon paragraph of why I'm wrong.

The disparity is rather obvious, Variant.