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But, this does not negate the teaching that tithing/giving or any other work will not suffice for salvation. It is a necessary condition, not a sufficient one. Faith, from hearing, is sufficient. If God, knowing you, tells you that you are saved, then you are saved. But few report that that have ever had any such conversation with God. "The bible says..." will not cut it. Sorry, if that is bad news.
Are you saying that if I do not tithe I am not saved?????????
If you do not give above the tithe, if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, (who did tithe!), it is very likely that any thought you have of salvation is delusion. Better check it out.
If you do not give above the tithe, if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, (who did tithe!), it is very likely that any thought you have of salvation is delusion. Better check it out.
If you do not give above the tithe, if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, (who did tithe!), it is very likely that any thought you have of salvation is delusion. Better check it out.
I didn't read all the thread, so my answer could land in a debate, so it may be a bit out of place. But anyway:
My answer is no, but God does take pleasure in a cheerful giver, one that doesn't give because it is required (but it is not). Actually, if someone doesn't want to give cheerfully anything at all, he should put in doubt whether his heart is circumcised or not. I remember all that no uncircumcised heart is pleasing to God.
I f I am deluted concerning my eternity, it is better to check it out immediately. Can you hepl mr please. I did not found (since 1972 when I wrongly beleved I am saved) any verse, not even a single verse that state what you says. Either I am very deluted or you are scaring christians in orther of getting its money. Either I am stupid or you are a greed man with no moral, ethics at all.
I looked up these verses and they have nothing to say about tithing. What are you trying to do?The scriptural basis for this concern is found in 2 Peter 1:10, and 2 Thess 2:11.
I didn't read all the thread, so my answer could land in a debate, so it may be a bit out of place. But anyway:
My answer is no, but God does take pleasure in a cheerful giver, one that doesn't give because it is required (but it is not). Actually, if someone doesn't want to give cheerfully anything at all, he should put in doubt whether his heart is circumcised or not. I remember all that no uncircumcised heart is pleasing to God.
According to the scriptures, the one who thinks he must tithe in order to be saved has placed himself under the law; thus, falls from grace. According to scripture, once you place yourself under one of the laws, you are then subject to all 613 of them.
You obviously have denied what Jesus did on the cross. Jesus died for you and you deny it. If you still have to tithe in order to be saved, Jesus died for nothing.
The scriptural basis for this concern is found in 2 Peter 1:10, and 2 Thess 2:11. Now, do not be deceived by those who say that I am claiming that tithing is essential to salvation. Not at all. Faith, which comes from hearing, is essential for salvation. But, deception from the devil, and delusion from God both could counterfeit such faith. Jesus gave many parables about people who thought when they died that they had faith for salvation. Only to find out too late that they were lost. The 2 Peter verse given above has for it's context the strongest emphasis of any command in scripture--"even more than" all diligence" is to be applied to the command, to make sure of your calling and election. God wants us to do this.
Delusion, according to the Thessalonians passage, is prevented by "receiving the love of the truth." Now, there are many commandments that pertain to truth. And, love is defined as keeping the commandments. The call is to make diligent provision for study of and keeping these commands, that tell us how to know what is true. One of those commands is to look at "signs." "Judging yourself."
In Malachi, we are told that we might receive from God the ability to discern the righteous from the wicked, Between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him (3:18) I have sought that gift, so that I might know who to warn of possibly being deluded. What I received was a warning that not giving at levels above the tithing levels was not an encouraging sign. And, ignoring such signs is itself a sign that one does not love the truth.
He said the remedy for delusion is to prepare your heart for a mentor, to "buy" instruction in wisdom, which is the fear of God. Get a mentor, and ask them to instruct you in how to know what is true, scriptural. Normally, we "buy" the truth by spending time, paying attention, and giving to the poor (not the mentor, unless they are poor, and have a need you can see.)
I post this here because I am not available to serve as such a mentor for anyone who is not a neighbor, who I do not know personally. If God wants me to help anyone this way, He will have to tell them without my being involved. My flesh is normally greedy, of course, among many other carnal inclinations. I do what God tells me to do to keep that flesh from getting its way in my life, or the life of others. In this case, I am so wealthy that I usually cannot think of anything I might do with more dollars, or whatever.
Yes. There are some who say that if we do not tithe we are stealing from God.I nderstand that in your opinion we do not have to tithe. You, also propose a human argument into the need of givig. The porpouse of all is thet whether we have to tithe or not, the church must keep recieving our money. No matter how.
But the point is: you agree that we do no have the obligation of tithing. If that is your opinion, the next step is to declare that those Pastor teaching that tothing is compulsory are wrong, are teaching false doctrine. Is that OK?
It is not compulsory to tithe,
God expects us to give (not a tenth, but more if possible).
At the beginning of the Church its memebers gave everything they had for the benefit of the brothers as it is said, "Now all who had believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need." (Acts 2:44-45) We read in chapter 5 how Peter tells Ananias how he could have done what he wanted with the money, and that he shouldn't have lied.
We see that the apostles of Christ did not teach it mandatory to tithe.
When one is transformed according to the image of Christ it is something natural for that person to want to give, and he gives as much as he reasons is enough (he must feed his family too, mustn't he?).
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