This Will Not Work

[Hank77]

In principle, health care can be paid for, since there's enough money now going into health care to pay for it. But making a transition work in practice is going to be really hard. What worries me at least as much is that it requires sensible long-term decision-making. I worry that the first time Republicans take over again they'll intentionally sabotage the system.

Medicare for all wouldn't be as hard to accomplish as a completely new program would. imo, people should also have the option of additional private insurance.

 

[Pommer]

Of course the Black-hole of irony here is that the so-called “Christian nation” is also the
“I don’t want to pay for other people’s (kids, healthcare, education, etc.,), nation”; oblivious that secular culture’s “morality” exceeds “Biblical mandates”.

 

[Hieronymus]

Hi all,

I just don't understand when people say that things will never work that seem to work pretty well in other places. Why is that?

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Slovenia and France are all nations that offer 'free' higher learning, (this means college or university level education). These are all reasonably well off countries as far as the standard of living of their people.

Working well???
There are serious problems developing for decades now in those very countries.

 

[mark46]

Medicare for all wouldn't be as hard to accomplish as a completely new program would. imo, people should also have the option of additional private insurance.

Yes, there should be supplemental policies as there are for Medicare.

The problem with adding new people to Medicare would be the buy-in. Those in Medicare have paid in lots of money when they start receiving benefits.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

This is why I always vote Republican. Otherwise, the promise is, "Vote for me and I'll give you lots of stuff at the expense of whoever my party can demonize as the bad guys". It's division politics.

You do realize that is EXACTLY how Trump got elected right?

he promised a wall that MEXICO would pay for. He promised tax cuts for the middle class. He promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with a much better system. he promised coal jobs would come roaring back.

We now have the promise of a wall that AMERICA is being asked to pay for or 800,000 of our fellow citizens get their paychecks axed. We have big portions of Obamacare repealed but NO ALTERNATIVE IN SIGHT. We have tax cuts, but most of them went to the wealthiest and it blew a hole in the deficit that will likely grow to $10 trillion. Coal jobs are still gone because there was never a "war on coal"...those jobs disappeared years ago because of MINE AUTOMATION and a current lack of economic sense to fuel with coal when natural gas is better.

 

[Hieronymus]

You do realize that is EXACTLY how Trump got elected right?

Yes, people who love their country being utterly fed up with the direction it was pushed towards previously.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Working well???
There are serious problems developing for decades now in those very countries.

And our system is working well? Without the changes from the ACA we have millions of Americans without access to healthcare, we pay almost 2X more per capita for healthcare of any developed nation on earth but don't have better health outcomes. We have an entire generation that will likely NEVER have a time in their lives when they aren't paying off student loans.

So tell me how good we have it here such that we are so much better off than the social democracies of western Europe.

Oh DEFINITELY tell me about how businesses operate in western Europe...it'll be good to compare based on my time working with several European companies.

 

[Hieronymus]

And our system is working well?

Not yet.
There's a LOT to be done to repair the damages done by the globalist regimes in western countries.

 

[JacobKStarkey]

Working well???
There are serious problems developing for decades now in those very countries.

Not like there is here.

 

[Hieronymus]

Not like there is here.

I beg to differ.
The borders are open to 'refugees' who have a culture and belief system that is opposed to the host countries.
There is a new law that forbids criticizing immigration policies.
Women are being raped by refugees.
The governments are taking more and more money from their citizens.
People get arrested for expressing certain views.
Paris is a war zone.

 

[JacobKStarkey]

Stop it. There is no law that stops criticizing immigration policy in the US.

There is no invasion of immigrants in the US.

There is no crisis of immigration in the US.

Illegal immigrants are coming in at a 50-year low.

 

[Hieronymus]

Stop it. There is no law that stops criticizing immigration policy in the US.

There is no invasion of immigrants in the US.

There is no crisis of immigration in the US.

Illegal immigrants are coming in at a 50-year low.

Hey, i'm talking about Europe.

 

[cow451]

Kamela Harris had made her priorities clear. She wants

1) Medicare for all
2) free college education for all
3) a middle class tax cut
4) the rich to pay for the above
5) some amount of gun legislation

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IMHO, Democrats must not propose a corporate tax increase. A modest increase in top individual tax rates is fine (note that some want it to be 70%). I believe that any plan must add up, be revenue neutral.

And in addition to the above, there must be a focus on opioid addiction, job training, dealing with climate change, and criminal justice reform.

What’s wrong with taking that last rich boy tax cut and dropping some of it the working class

 

[cow451]

This is why I always vote Republican. Otherwise, the promise is, "Vote for me and I'll give you lots of stuff at the expense of whoever my party can demonize as the bad guys". It's division politics.

Yes, Mr. Koch, I see your point.

 

[cow451]

"Common income" is already being used or tested in several countries, and some cities and states of the USA.

The methodology/ system / of the beast is almost ready to be enforced further.

The government shutdown made millions of more citizens , men, women, and children, more ready for 'free' government money/assistance,
even at the cost of their souls.

Care to rephrase? I got a warning for implying someone did not have a soul.

 

[cow451]

She lost me when on Ellen show where she was asked if your locked up in a elevator with Trump or.. she said "does he have to come out alive" Then they ALL laughed...

Then she has other things in her past popping up.. praise GOD glory to Jesus..

How dare she criticize Archbishop Trump!

 

[cow451]

If medical costs in the U.S. were reigned in universal health care would be feasible.

I would argue that they cannot be reigned in without universal care. That is not the same as single payer.

 

[Hank77]

Yes, there should be supplemental policies as there are for Medicare.

The problem with adding new people to Medicare would be the buy-in. Those in Medicare have paid in lots of money when they start receiving benefits.

True, it would be a substantial investment.

 

[ml5363]

Folks like to point to the VA.

Let's use Medicare as the example. Democrats are suggesting a phased in "Medicare for All"

Medicare isn't rankeduch higher either unfortunately...too costly from what I have heard..

 

[Sparagmos]

This is why I always vote Republican. Otherwise, the promise is, "Vote for me and I'll give you lots of stuff at the expense of whoever my party can demonize as the bad guys". It's division politics.

Wait, how is that not what Republicans offer the rich? LOL.