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Featured "THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 29, 2018.

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Note: You are able to change your vote in this poll.

    I would like to primarily focus on the phrase "this generation" that is used in the Bible.

    I want to post verses just from the Olivet Discourse and discuss them 1st.

    The phrase uses 3 greek words instead of 2:


    The generation, this-one.

    h genea auth

    Here are the verses using the transliterated greek:


    Matthew 24:34
    Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all these may be becoming.
    amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth
    ewV an panta tauta genhtai

    Mark 13:30
    Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one unto of which any these all may be becoming
    amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth
    mecriV ou panta tauta genhtai

    Luke 21:32
    “Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation , this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
    amhn legw umin oti ou mh parelqh h genea auth

    ewV an panta genhtai
     
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    /nvm
     
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  3. LittleLambofJesus

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    The 1st time that phrase is used is Matt 11:16. Again the same 3 greek words.

    [Mark does no use the phrase "...like children in marketplaces......"]


    NKJV)

    Matthew 11:16
    “But to what shall I liken this generation?
    It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their companions, [Luke 7:31,32]

    tini de omoiwsw thn genean tauthn omoia estin paidariois en agorais kaqhmenoiV kai prosfwnousin toiV etairois autwn


    Luke 7:31
    And the Lord said,[fn] “To what then shall I liken the men of this generation, and what are they like? 32 “They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling to one another, saying:

    ‘We played the flute for you, And you did not dance; We mourned to you, And you did not weep.’ [Matthew 11:16]

    eipen de o kurios tini oun omoiwsw touV anqrwpouV thV geneaV tauthV kai tini eisin omoioi
     
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  4. LittleLambofJesus

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    Thanks for your post. "heaven" can also mean sky.

    Josephus wrote about some signs that were seen before 70ad:


    http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

    [6] - Josephus has collected the chief of these portents together, and introduces his account by a reflection on the strangeness of that infatuation, which could induce his countrymen to give credit to impostors, and unfounded reports, whilst they disregarded the divine admonitions, confirmed, as he asserts they Were, by the following extraordinary signs :

    1. "A meteor, resembling a sword, [7] hung over Jerusalem during one whole year." This could not be a comet, for it was stationary, and was visible for twelve successive months. A sword too, though a fit emblem for destruction, but ill represents a comet.

    5. "Soon after the feast of the Passover, in various parts of the country, before the Setting of the sun, chariots and armed men were seen in the air, passing round about Jerusalem. " Neither could this portentous spectacle be occasioned by the aurora borealis, for it occurred before the setting of the sun ; or merely the fancy of a few villagers, gazing at the heavens, for it was seen in various parts of the country.

    7. As the last and most fearful omen, Josephus relates that one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a rustic of the lower class, during the Feast of Tabernacles, suddenly exclaimed in the temple, "A voice from the east a voice from the west -- a voice from the four winds- a voice against Jerusalem and the temple -- a voice against bridegrooms and brides -- a voice against the whole people !"


    Such are the prodigies related by Josephus, and which, excepting the first, he places in the Year immediately preceding the Jewish war. Several of them are recorded also by Tacitus.
    Nevertheless, it ought to be observed, -that they are received by Christian writers cautiously, and with various degrees of credit.

    Those, however, who are most skeptical, and who resolve them into natural causes, allow the "superintendence of GOD to awaken his people by some of these means." Whatever the fact, in this respect, may be, it is clear that they correspond to our LORD'S prediction of "fearful sights, and great signs from heaven;" and ought to be deemed a sufficient answer to the objector, who demands whether any such appearances are respectably recorded.
     
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  5. OldWiseGuy

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    Jesus is addressing two events. The destruction of the temple and Jerusalem that this generation would live to see, and, the end time tribulation that would be fully witnessed by that generation. His comments go back and forth between the two, almost cryptically.
     
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  6. LittleLambofJesus

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    It is 1st used in Genesis, and with the same construct as in the NT.

    Genesis 7:1
    The LORD then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
    because I have found you righteous in this<2088> generation<1755>.

    A hebrew interlinear has "generation, the-this"

    דּוֹר (dowr)<1755> זֶה (zeh)<2088>
     
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  7. Revealing Times

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    Why would you not put the Jews of the Tribulation (70th week) period as an option ? Its the only option needed really.
     
  8. Davy

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    The idea that Jesus was speaking just to those with Him on the Mount of Olives is a Preterist agenda of men's doctrines. And that is a doctrine that will lead one to the pit.

    It should be easy to understand the passage Jesus spoke is for the whole Church, even to this present day, because He was speaking of the day of His 2nd coming:

    Matt 24:32-37
    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.


    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    KJV


    See those events in bold blue? That's about the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. That is the generation He is pointing to in that, because what generation will 'see' His coming??? Can you answer that question using common sense little children, or must you listen to charlatans who seek to change the simplicity that is God's Holy Writ?
     
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  9. LittleLambofJesus

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    Mark doesn't mention Noah or the Ninevites.

    Also, I find this rather interesting.
    Both Matt and Luke used the same exact form of the greek word #450 as 1 Thess 4:16 does!
    It literally means to "resurrect/stand up/rise up".

    Matthew 12:41
    'Men of Nineveh shall be standing-up/<450> in the judgment with the generation, this-one, and shall be condemning it,
    for they reformed/repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold! a greater than Jonah here!

    andreV nineuitai anasthsontai en th krisei meta thV geneaV tauthV kai katakrinousin authn
    oti metenohsan eiV to khrugma iwna kai idou pleion iwna wde

    Mark 8:12
    But He sighed deeply in His spirit, and said, “Why does the generation, this-one seek a sign? Assuredly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to the generation, this-one.”

    kai anastenaxaV tw pneumati autou legei ti h genea auth shmeion epizhtei amhn legw umin ei doqhsetai th genea tauth shmeion

    Luke 11:32
    'Men of Nineveh shall be standing-up<450> in the judgment with the generation, this-one and shall be condemning it,
    because they reformed/repented at the proclamation of Jonah and behold! greater than Jonah here!

    andreV nineui anasthsontai en th krisei meta thV geneaV tauthV kai katakrinousin authn
    oti metenohsan eiV to khrugma iwna kai idou pleion iwna wde

    450. anistemi an-is'-tay-mee from 303 and 2476; to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

    1 Thessalonians 4:16
    because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven,
    and the dead in Christ shall be standing-up<450> first,

    oti autoV o kurioV en keleusmati en fwnh arcaggelou kai en salpiggi qeou katabhsetai ap ouranou
    kai oi nekroi en cristw anasthsontai prwton
     
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  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    Matt and Luke uses a different greek word concerning the "queen of the south" than for the Ninevites, #1453.instead of #450.

    [Mark doesn't mention this in his Gospel.]

    Matthew 12:42
    `A queen of the south shall be being roused/egerqhsetai <1453> (5701) in the judging with the generation/geneaV <1074>, this-one, and shall be condemning it.
    That she came out of the ends of the land to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold! more of Solomon here!

    basilissa notou egerqhsetai en th krisei meta thV geneaV tauthV kai katakrinei authn
    oti hlqen ek twn peratwn thV ghV akousai thn sofian solomwntos kai idou pleion solomwntos wde

    Luke 11:31
    “A queen of the South shall be being roused/egerqhsetai <1453> (5701) in the judgment with the men of the generation, this-one and shall be condemning them,
    for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.

    basilissa notou egerqhsetai en th krisei meta twn andrwn thV geneaV tauthV kai katakrinei autouV
    oti hlqen ek twn peratwn thV ghV akousai thn sofian solomwntos kai idou pleion solomwntos wde

    1453. egeiro eg-i'-ro probably akin to the base of 58 (through the idea of collecting one's faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying,.......

    That same form of #1453 is used 7 times, Matt, Mark and Luke, 3 of those concerning "nation against nation"

    Matthew 24:7
    For nation shall rise<1453> against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
    and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    Mark 13:8
    For nation shall rise<1453> against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
    and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

    Luke 21:10
    Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise<1453> against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

    It is used 1 time in Revelation:

    Revelation 11:1
    And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "be rousing!/egeirai <1453> and measure!
    the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar[golden?] and those worshiping in it
     
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  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    I looked up the words "blood prophets" and there were only 4 verses in the NT that used them in the same verse....Matthew 23:30 and Luke 11:50

    Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)

    Luke 11:
    50

    “that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of the generation, this one.
    ina ekzhthqh to aima pantwn twn profhtwn to ekcunomenon apo katabolhV kosmou apo thV geneaV tauthV
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    from the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, who perished between the altar and the house; yes, I say to you, It shall be required from the generation, this one.
    apo tou aimatoV abel ewV tou aimatoV zacariou tou apolomenou metaxu tou qusiasthriou kai tou oikou nai legw umin ekzhthqhsetai apo thV geneaV tauthV.

    Revelation 16:6
    because blood of saints and prophets they did pour out, and blood to them Thou didst give to drink, for they are worthy;'


    Revelation 18:24

    and in her blood of prophets and of saints was found, and of all those who have been slain on the earth.

    Lam 4:13
    Because of the sins of her prophets, The iniquities of her priests,
    Who are shedding in her midst the blood of the righteous,

     
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    This is the last verse that has these 2 words together:

    Luke 17:25
    “But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

    prwton de dei auton polla paqein kai apodokimasqhnai apo thV geneaV tauthV
     
  13. DavidPT

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    In the poll I chose other, so that means I need to explain. Will try and do that later once I have typed something up in Notepad in order to paste in here.
     
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    A few more verses:

    Deut 1:35
    ‘Surely not one of these men of this evil generation shall see that good land of which I swore to give to your fathers,

    Luke 11:29

    And while the crowds were thickly gathered together, He began to say, “The generation, this-one evil is.
    It seeks a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah the prophet.[fn]


    twn de oclwn epaqroizomenwn hrxato legein h genea auth ponhra estin shmeion epizhtei kai shmeion ou doqhsetai auth ei mh to shmeion iwna tou profhtou
     
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    Thanks responding and voting.......
     
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    Matthhew 23:36
    “Amen I say to ye, all these things shall be arriving<2240> upon the generation, this-one.

    amhn legw umin hxei tauta panta epi thn genean tauthn

    2240. heko hay'-ko a primary verb; to arrive, i.e. be present (literally or figuratively):--come.

    Luke 19:43
    That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee when Thy enemies will build an embankment around Thee, encompass Thee and press Thee in on every side,

    Revelation 18:8
    Therefore Her plagues shall be arrving<2240> in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[fn] her.
     
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    Matthew 24:34
    “Amen I am saying to ye, the generation, this-one will by no means pass away till all these-things take place.

    amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth ewV an panta tauta genhtai
     
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    Of course, Everybody Knows that before our Lord answered that question, He turned away from those who has asked it and faced the camera, because the answer was meaningless to those who had asked it, and would continue to be so for thousands of years. Right.

    Yep, anyone who doesn't subscribe to Lindseyite eschatology is going to hell.

    Secuse me, but wasn't He crucified, died, was buried, and then rose from the dead after He said those things? Or is that just an insignificant detail?

    How long is that "generation" gonna be?
     
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    Mark 8:12
    But He sighed deeply in His spirit, and said, “Why does this generation seek a sign?
    Amen I say to ye, no sign shall be given to this generation.”
     
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    Good point. How long is a biblical generation?
     
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