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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 29, 2018.

  1. Just the Jews of the 1st Century

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  2. Both Jews and Gentiles of 1st century

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  3. Just the Gentiles in 1st century

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  4. The whole world

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  5. I am not sure but am willing to learn

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  6. Other [please explain]

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  1. Residential Bob

    Residential Bob Active Member

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    For the doomsday prophets, it was forty years. Until 1988. Then it was 70 years. Until 2018.

    Oops. Time to move the goalposts again.
     
  2. Residential Bob

    Residential Bob Active Member

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    You can't be serious. The thing Jesus referred to was the generation of the people standing in front of him.
     
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  3. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Your "historical evidence that flatly contradicts the prophecies in question" is invited to attempt to disprove any of the historical evidence provided.
     
  4. Residential Bob

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    One day when we cleaned out my great great grandmother's attic - a devout Christian; very devout - we found a note about how she was excited about the Lord coming back in her generation. "In this generation the Lord returns," the note said.

    Poor woman.
     
  5. Residential Bob

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    I noticed some of the options in the poll are first-century options. Preterist views are not allowed in this forum, are they?

    I'm still familiarizing myself with the rules.
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Partial and Idealists preterism are allowed. I have always been a Preterist......

    Full or Hyper Preterism can be discussed on this other board.......I am slowly leaning toward that view but have not yet embraced it.......

    Full Preterist Safe House



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  7. Residential Bob

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    Preterism has led some to atheism. If not, then perhaps just to despair. But it's so logical that there's no going back.

    Fair warning before you cross that Rubicon.
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Thanks for the warning and welcome to CF........
    If a converted Jew asked me which is the most important parable in the NT, I would tell them to focus on this covenantle parable in Luke 16 in relation to Revelation, which is also covenantle.
    Abraham[faith/Life], Moses[Law/death] and Lazarus[Resurrection] are all mentioned in it.

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

    Luke 16:19
    A certain Man was rich and clothed in purple and fine linen making-merry down to a-day, shiningly<2988> [Matt 22:11]

    Revelation 18:7
    7 As much as glorifies herself, and indulges be giving to her tormenting and mourning that in her heart she is saying 'I am sitting a Queen and widow not I am and mourning not I shall be seeing'.
    16 and saying "woe! woe! the great City, the one having been clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet and having been golded to gold and stone, precious and pearls

    LUKE 16:30
    "And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
    31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

    Yeshua uses the last two verses of this parable as an amazing prophecy of his pending resurrection from the dead.
    The rich man says that although his brothers may not accept the scriptural evidence for the identity of the Messiah, they will accept the evidence of one who is raised from the dead.

    Rev 15:3
    They sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:
    “Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty!
    Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints![fn]


    ...........[​IMG]





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  9. yeshuasavedme

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    In the whole Bible, there is one spiritual generation of sons of the devil...Cain being first, who was tempted by Satan and received the temptation and acted upon it, therefore murdering the first prophet, Abel. Cain then was a spiritual son of the devil and the first human being called of the sons/ generation of wrath. Read the history book called the "Book of Jasher" to see what Abel prophesied to Cain about the avenging of his blood by YHWH, if Abel did slay him...
    The blood of all the slain of the seed of Adam will be avenged by the avenger when the books are opened in heaven, as we see in Revelation.
    Psalm 14:5 -God is in the "generation of the righteous".



    In the whole Bible, there is one spiritual generation of sons of God, who hear His voice, believe Him, and act upon His Word.
    God gave the promise of the adoption of the lost seed of Adam into the One Living Spirit of the New Man -God come in flesh- in Genesis 3, at the fall. He signed the promise in the naming of Abram with the Life letter, the "Hey", giving Abra"H"am the sign of the adoption of Spirit of "life" as a son of God in spirit.
    God gave the sign of the adoption of the flesh into the image of the Firstborn (who was to come) to Jacob, and signed it with the name change "ISRAEL", the name of the Son of God of the second human being creation [Isaiah chapter 49: 1 -6 declares it so), and the "Firstborn of the Father", as to human being created flesh, since the Adam is dead in spirit and irrevocably defiled in flesh.

    So there is one spiritual generation of evil, and one spiritual generation of the righteous, in the whole Bible. The Good News is that one who is a child of wrath, like Cain, can be ransomed/bought back, by the once for all Atonement accepted, by just believing in His name.
     
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    That is indeed a possible interpretation of the words Jesus used in this sentence. But it is most absolutely only one possible interpretation of those words. The interpretation I gave is another fully valid interpretation of these same words.

    Whenever we come up against such a situation as this, when even the explicitly stated words of scripture have more than one plausible interpretation, the only way to resolve the question of what they mean is to examine the rest of what God said about the subject at hand. And the scriptures contain a great many explicitly stated prophecies that have unquestionably not been fulfilled. It would take many pages to list but a few of these. So we know that all was not fulfilled during the generation that was upon the earth at the time Jesus spoke these words.
     
  12. Biblewriter

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    I have yet to be presented with even one case of either Preterism or Historicism presenting "historical evidence" that actually matched the details of the prophecy they are alleging was fulfilled in the cited event. The actual matching has typically been on the order of 10% to 15% of the details stated in the prophecy alleged to have been fulfilled. And that is why I said that both of these systems (as well as both Covenant Theology and Idealism) require an assumption that the Bible simply does not mean what it explicitly says.
     
  13. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The fig tree is Jerusalem, as Jesus cursed the fig upon entering Jerusalem, knowing that he would be rejected.

    So it is 1967 plus the 70 years.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Figs are mentioned falling in Revelation 6:13 and thus the great City in Revelation 18 also must be Jerusalem.......

    Mat 21:
    10 And he having entered into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, 'Who is this?'

    17 And having left them, he went forth out of the city to Bethany, and did lodge there
    18 and in the morning turning back to the city, he hungered,
    19 and having seen a certain fig-tree on the way, he came to it, and found nothing in it except leaves only, and he saith to it, 'No more from thee may fruit be -- to the age;' and forthwith the fig-tree withered.


    Jesus uses a fig tree simile and Jerusalem in Matthew 23/27

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
    MATTHEW 24:32 FIG TREE SIMILE

    Mat 23:37
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
    Mat 24:32
    'And from the fig-tree learn ye the simile:
    When already its branch may have become tender, and the leaves it may put forth, ye know that summer is nigh,

    [Mark 13:28 Luke 21:29]

    Revelation also shows a fig tree and figs:

    Rev 6:13
    and the stars of the heaven fell to the earth --
    as a fig-tree doth cast her winter figs, by a great wind being shaken -


    And the great City, Jerusalem?

    Rev 18:18
    “and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?'

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  15. Douggg

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    Jerusalem is really not a great trading city, like the one described in Revelation 18.

    I have concluded that the great city in Revelation 18 is not an actual literal city, but is a likening to a great city that meets its sudden destruction. Babylon is fallen is fallen is the invisible kingdom of Satan, his angels, the antithesis of the kingdom of God, being destroyed.

    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    The about sounds more like Satan, his angels doings to me.

    Mystery Babylon the Great, to me, indicates a city that is mystical. When Mchael and his angels cast Satan, his angels down to earth, to be restricted here until their kingdom is completely destroyed - that is the beginning of the dismantling of Satan, his angels kingdom.
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    One of the things to be on guard against is taking something that is already a metaphor in the text, and making a metaphor out of a metaphor. Fallen figs are already a metaphor. When a person makes the fallen figs into another metaphor - well, that can go anywhere, and goes beyond what the text intends.

    In Revelation 6, the stars being moved out of their place, appearing to fall to earth, on the horizon, is likened to metaphorically as figs fallen from a fig tree.

    Rev 6:13
    and the stars of the heaven fell to the earth --
    as a fig-tree doth cast her winter figs, by a great wind being shaken -
     
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  16. jgr

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    10% to 15% is an infinitely greater accuracy than the 0% of futurism's interpretation by hallucination.

    I'm sure that you as a scientist recognize that mathematical reality.
     
  17. Biblewriter

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    But it is sheer nonsense to even pretend that a fulfillment of no more then 15% of the details of a given prophecy is a fulfillment of that prophecy.

    The prophecies which the scriptures specifically tell us have been fulfilled were fulfilled completely, down to the tiniest detail.
     
  18. jgr

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    It's infinitely sheerer nonsense to attempt to claim legitimacy for 0% fulfillment.
     
  19. parousia70

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    And I have yet to be presented with even one case of any futurist presenting "historical evidence" of even 1% of the events of 2 Samuel 22:7-16 happening the way David declared they did.
    And that is why I say the futurist position requires an assumption that the Bible simply does not mean what it explicitly says.
     
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    It is sheer nonsense to pretend that it is even significant to argue that an event expected in the FUTURE has not happened yet.
     
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