The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[JesusFollowerForever]

This is why I asked you before if the new covenant was actually a "new" covenant or a re-newed one. You said it was a new one, but have steadily defended the old as making up the new in this thread.

If it is new, then it has nothing in common with the old.

I have asked this question to many but none answered.

We know the ""old covenant was defined as the "ten commandment" written by the finger of GOD on tablets of stone and paced in the ARK of the COVENANT. We also know the ark was seen in heaven after the tribulation as written in the book of revelations meaning the importance and permanence of the Covenant.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,
Rev 11:17 saying: “We give thanks to You, O Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev 11:18 The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead and to reward Your servants the prophets, as well as the saints and those who fear Your name, both small and great— and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Rev 11:19 Then ( at the seventh trumpet) the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

It is by the Laws of this COVENANT, the Ten Commandments that we shall be Judged!

Now for the new covenant Jeremiah 31:33-34 described it;

Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”

as you see God will put HIS laws in our minds and out hearts! these laws are none other than the COVENANT, the ten commandments. Christ our Lord,was teaching the ten commandments and never broke one of them!

So here is the question; what are those laws exactly, can you define them for me? Give me the details of these laws, that are contained in the new covenant?

 

[ARBITER01]

I have asked this question to many but none answered.

We know the ""old covenant was defined as the "ten commandment" written by the finger of GOD on tablets of stone and paced in the ARK of the COVENANT. We also know the ark was seen in heaven after the tribulation as written in the book of revelations meaning the importance and permanence of the Covenant.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”
Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,
Rev 11:17 saying: “We give thanks to You, O Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev 11:18 The nations were enraged, and Your wrath has come. The time has come to judge the dead and to reward Your servants the prophets, as well as the saints and those who fear Your name, both small and great— and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Rev 11:19 Then ( at the seventh trumpet) the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

It is by the Laws of this COVENANT, the Ten Commandments that we shall be Judged!

Now for the new covenant Jeremiah 31:33-34 described it;

Jer 31:33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.

Jer 31:34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”

as you see God will put HIS laws in our minds and out hearts! these laws are none other than the COVENANT, the ten commandments. Christ our Lord,was teaching the ten commandments and never broke one of them!

So here is the question; what are those laws exactly, can you define them for me? Give me the details of these laws, that are contained in the new covenant?

It is not a re-newed covenant, GOD has already validated this,....


8 For if the first covenant that was had been faultless, then no place for a second would have been sought,

9 But in finding fault with them, HE saith: "Behold, the days art coming, saith The LORD, when I wilt make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

10 Not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers, in the day of My taking hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, for they remained not in that covenant of Mine, and I disregarded them, saith The LORD.


At some point people need to forsake their personal beliefs they are holding to so dearly to on this subject and get in alignment with the word of GOD.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is not a re-newed covenant, GOD has already validated this,....


8 For if the first covenant that was had been faultless, then no place for a second would have been sought,

9 But in finding fault with them, HE saith: "Behold, the days art coming, saith The LORD, when I wilt make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

10 Not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers, in the day of My taking hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, for they remained not in that covenant of Mine, and I disregarded them, saith The LORD.


At some point people need to forsake their personal beliefs they are holding to so dearly to on this subject and get in alignment with the word of GOD.

It's not the same covenant because.....

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

but still made to
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,

And still has
says the Lord: I will put My laws

written in a different place
in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Why its still sin to break God's law in the NC as the apostles plainly taught

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

And laying aside these commandments as to say they are not form me, ones heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-8

Its all plain to see in our Bibles, that God's law did not go anywhere in the NC expect written in the heart and mind to be central as to who we are.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

It is not a re-newed covenant, GOD has already validated this,....


8 For if the first covenant that was had been faultless, then no place for a second would have been sought,

9 But in finding fault with them, HE saith: "Behold, the days art coming, saith The LORD, when I wilt make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

10 Not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers, in the day of My taking hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, for they remained not in that covenant of Mine, and I disregarded them, saith The LORD.


At some point people need to forsake their personal beliefs they are holding to so dearly to on this subject and get in alignment with the word of GOD.

Still no Answer about the New Covenant contents because you do not know. what I wrote it is not a personal belief, it is all from scripture and I provided it.

 

[Clare73]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself.

And the same Bible presents a New Covenant (Lk 22:20) with new law (Jn 13:34) fulfilling the old law (Ro 13:8, 10), the Old Covenant now being obsolete (Heb 8:13). . .about which fulfillment and obsolesence some remain in unbelief, preferring the Old Covenant "do no harm" to the New Covenant "love as I have loved you."

Simply loving fulfills the law (Ro 13:8, 10)

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

And the same Bible presents a New Covenant (Lk 22:20) with new law (Jn 13:34) fulfilling the old law (Ro 13:8, 10), the Old Covenant now being obsolete (Heb 8:13). . .about which fulfillment and obsolesence some remain in unbelief, preferring the Old Covenant "do no harm" to the New Covenant "love as I have loved you."

Simply loving fulfills the law (Ro 13:8, 10)

Claire, It is your choice to believe a doctrine different of what Christ was teaching.

What is obsolete is not the covenant itself, it is the way people observed it and follow only the letter of the law and not in the way the commandments were meant to be followed, Jesus explained all this, I know the way Paul expresses himself confuses many but all authority was given to Christ forever, You really have follow Jesus teachings above all else he is the way to eternal life and the only one also.

 

[ARBITER01]

Still no Answer about the New Covenant contents because you do not know. what I wrote it is not a personal belief, it is all from scripture and I provided it.

I absolutely know, and I shall ask you a question in that regard.....Who do we follow under the new covenant?

 

[Clare73]

And the same Bible presents a New Covenant (Lk 22:20) with new law (Jn 13:34) fulfilling the old law (Ro 13:8, 10), the Old Covenant now being obsolete (Heb 8:13). . .about which fulfillment and obsolesence some remain in unbelief, preferring the Old Covenant "do no harm" to the New Covenant "love as I have loved you."

Simply loving fulfills the law (Ro 13:8, 10)

Claire, It is your choice to believe a doctrine different of what Christ was teaching.

What is obsolete is not the covenant itself, it is the way people observed it.]

What part of Heb 8:13 and "new" Lk 22:20 do you not understand?

The Old Covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We are given a New Covenant (Lk 22:20)

and follow only the letter of the law and not in the way the commandments were meant to be followed, Jesus explained all this, I know the way Paul expresses himself confuses many but all authority was given to Christ forever, You really have follow Jesus teachings above all else he is the way to eternal life and the only one also.

The Bible does not present the Decalogue as the covenant itself.

It presents law keeping as the basis of the Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.

The Bible presents grace (not law keeping) as the basis of the New Covenant made in the blood of Christ.

In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.​

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."​

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that instead of being written on stone, it would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.
Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:

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"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"​

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:

"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”​

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments were placed inside the Ark, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.
Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law—the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).
So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are, just as they were placed inside the Ark.

We are not under two covenants. We are under the New Covenant.
In choosing the Law, you have chosen the inferior and obsolete (Heb 8:13) Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.
In choosing grace, we choose the superior New Covenant of (Lk 22:20) made in the blood of Christ.

The New Covenant is not under law-keeping, but under grace.
The New Covenant is not under law keeping, but under loving one another as Christ has loved us, to which "do no harm" is inferior.
The New Covenant is about not being under the curse of the Law, but under grace, where law-keeping cannot justify.
The New Covenant requires more than the inferior "do no harm" of the Law, the New Covenant requires loving as Christ loves.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I absolutely know, and I shall ask you a question in that regard.....Who do we follow under the new covenant?

I have asked you one question, and if you answer me, I will answer your question.

 

[ARBITER01]

I have asked you one question, and if you answer me, I will answer your question.

The answer to the question you won't answer is this,.... we follow Jesus under the new covenant.

The commandments we follow come from Him, and they can vary from person to person. Jesus commands one person one way, and another in a different way. Each has their own ministry/office from Him, as each of us make up the body of Christ.

This is why there is no agreement or relationship between the old and new.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

What part of Heb 8:13 and "new" Lk 22:20 do you not understand?

The Old Covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We are given a New Covenant (Lk 22:20)


It presents law keeping as the basis of the Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.

The Bible presents grace (not law keeping) as the basis of the New Covenant made in the blood of Christ.

We are not under two covenants. We are under the New Covenant.
In choosing the Law, you have chosen the inferior and obsolete (Heb 8:13) Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.
In choosing grace, we choose the superior New Covenant of (Lk 22:20) made in the blood of Christ.

The New Covenant is not under law-keeping, but under grace.
The New Covenant is not under law keeping, but under loving one another as Christ has loved us, to which "do no harm" is inferior.
The New Covenant is about not being under the curse of the Law, but under grace, where law-keeping cannot justify.
The New Covenant requires more than the inferior "do no harm" of the Law, the New Covenant requires loving as Christ loves.

The answer to the question you won't answer is this,.... we follow Jesus under the new covenant.

The commandments we follow come from Him, and they can vary from person to person. Jesus commands one person one way, and another in a different way. Each has their own ministry/office from Him, as each of us make up the body of Christ.

This is why there is no agreement or relationship between the old and new.

Nice try still no specifics

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Nice try still no specifics so we pick and choose what pleases us? What about what God wants? You still have no clue.

 

[ARBITER01]

Nice try still no specifics

Well sorry if can't understand it and don't like it, but it is my answer nonetheless.

The new covenant is a relationship with Jesus and our obedience to Him and what He has us do.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Well sorry if can't understand it and don't like it, but it is my answer nonetheless.

The new covenant is a relationship with Jesus and our obedience to Him and what He has us do.

I am willing to tell you if you will consider what i explain with proper scripture in the proper context

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Well sorry if can't understand it and don't like it, but it is my answer nonetheless.

The new covenant is a relationship with Jesus and our obedience to Him and what He has us do.

Close but you need specifics and it is easy! Sorry for all the typos, writing from ipad with my fat fingers, catch you tomorrow.

Blessings.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

What part of Heb 8:13 and "new" Lk 22:20 do you not understand?

The Old Covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We are given a New Covenant (Lk 22:20)


It presents law keeping as the basis of the Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.

The Bible presents grace (not law keeping) as the basis of the New Covenant made in the blood of Christ.

We are not under two covenants. We are under the New Covenant.
In choosing the Law, you have chosen the inferior and obsolete (Heb 8:13) Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.
In choosing grace, we choose the superior New Covenant of (Lk 22:20) made in the blood of Christ.

The New Covenant is not under law-keeping, but under grace.
The New Covenant is not under law keeping, but under loving one another as Christ has loved us, to which "do no harm" is inferior.
The New Covenant is about not being under the curse of the Law, but under grace, where law-keeping cannot justify.
The New Covenant requires more than the inferior "do no harm" of the Law, the New Covenant requires loving as Christ loves.

1-claire you never did answer my reply to you no 503 of this thread here it is again in part;

then what is it we must do to have eternal life, Jesus said clearly what to do, what is your take on all of this, What one must do in your opinion?


2 -you modified what i wrote from the Opening post, and made contrary to what i wrote and nullified it, you nullified the truth of scripture Claire, Did you think I would not notice? what was the purpose? to confuse people further?

I wrote in post no 1;
""The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:""

in a supposed reply from this on post of this thread # 1 the opening post, you changed it to something else as if i wrote it but I never did!

""The Bible does not present the Decalogue as the covenant itself."

This is in your post no 528 and refers to the post no one when i click on my name just above the changes you made.

We shall speak no further, there is no point.

What part of Heb 8:13 and "new" Lk 22:20 do you not understand?

The Old Covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

We are given a New Covenant (Lk 22:20)


It presents law keeping as the basis of the Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.

The Bible presents grace (not law keeping) as the basis of the New Covenant made in the blood of Christ.

We are not under two covenants. We are under the New Covenant.
In choosing the Law, you have chosen the inferior and obsolete (Heb 8:13) Old Covenant made in the blood of bulls.
In choosing grace, we choose the superior New Covenant of (Lk 22:20) made in the blood of Christ.

The New Covenant is not under law-keeping, but under grace.
The New Covenant is not under law keeping, but under loving one another as Christ has loved us, to which "do no harm" is inferior.
The New Covenant is about not being under the curse of the Law, but under grace, where law-keeping cannot justify.
The New Covenant requires more than the inferior "do no harm" of the Law, the New Covenant requires loving as Christ loves.

Claire you are indeed saying things against scripture and understand not. Worse, you are teaching your false doctrine and prevent people from knowing the truth. you are diminishing the Law that God has written claire.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We shall speak no further, there is no point.

Claire you are indeed saying things against scripture and understand not. Worse, you are teaching your false doctrine and prevent people from knowing the truth. you are diminishing the Law that God has written claire.

It’s what Jesus taught…we can pray but there is a point to put away the pearls and spend time on those who have an open heart to the teachings of Jesus Christ

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” Reminds me of Mat 5:19-20

All we can do is pray and hope others reading will consider what Jesus taught and told us to live by quoting OT Mat 4:4

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Well sorry if can't understand it and don't like it, but it is my answer nonetheless.

The new covenant is a relationship with Jesus and our obedience to Him and what He has us do.

it is O.K. i realize it take some time to absorb that the Covenant is the ten commandments, it is written in 5 verses very clearly in the O.T. I did not put them all in the opening post.

Jesus instituted the new covenant also called testament in some versions it is there that it started when he said;

Mat 26:27 Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.

Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus here with his own blood and death on the cross sealed the new covenant and paid the price of sin for us so we shall not perish. Those who drink of his cup and accept his sacrifice for us and do his will and persevere will be saved. the wine was a symbol of his blood poured for us. The shedding of Jesus blood served as the ultimate seal, securing the promises of forgiveness and eternal life for believers.

Now jesus said something very important that applies to all who follow him;

Mat 19:16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”

Mat 19:17 “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Mat 19:18 “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,

Mat 19:19 honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Clearly Jesus was enumerating the ten commandments that ARE the covenant. Jesus was teaching the commandments also and explained how to follow them from the heart and not by the rigidity of the letter, see Matt chapter 23 where jesus rebukes the pharisees and he explains why.

Some will claim we do not need to follow the ones he did not mention, well that is false because the ten commandments were written on 2 tables of Stone by GOD himself and placed INSIDE the ARK OF THE COVENANT. As well all Jewish people at that time knew them well no need to enumerate them all.

So yes you are right we should if we love Jesus / GOD, do anything and everything he asked us to do in this instance the follow ten commandments keep them in our minds and hearts and do anything good that flows from these commandments,and any other suggestions, teachings or commands he has given us.

Since Jesus did rise from death and ascended to Heaven he has promised us that he would send us the comforter or Holy spirit that would teach us all things and put in our minds what to do to follow the commandments but we have to believe what he said and keep a pure end opened heart.

Jhn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Jhn 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—
Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Jhn 14:19 In a little while the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you also will live.
Jhn 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.
Jhn 14:21 Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.”

All Jesus said is true and will be accomplished, we just have to do as he asks because we love Him

Ill stop here for now but ask any questions I will reply.

Blessings.

 

[Clare73]

Nice try still no specifics.

Take it up with Jesus.

The New Covenant is a covenant of grace, not a covenant of law.

It is based on loving one another as Jesus loves us.

If you don't know what that is, I can't help you.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not based on the law?

God said:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

What does Jesus say when we rebel against the law He placed in our hearts

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Without law)

God’s New Covenant is very much based on God’s law why one of the last verses in the Bible right before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ says this.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.