The law of Yahweh

[Xeno.of.athens]

“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul is well-pleased. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.

“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street.​

“A crushed reed He will not break And a faintly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will bring forth justice in truth.​

“He will not be faint or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coast lands will wait expectantly for His law.”​

Thus says the God, Yahweh, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it,

“I am Yahweh, I have called You in righteousness; I will also take hold of You by the hand and guard You, And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who inhabit darkness from the prison.​

“I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.​

“Behold, the former things have come to pass; Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I cause you to hear them.”​

Isa 42:1-9 LSB

Wait for his law.
For finding fault with them, He says,

“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL COMPLETE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH; NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.​

“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND UPON THEIR HEARTS I WILL WRITE THEM. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.​

“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.​

“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”​

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Heb 8:8-13 LSB

A new covenant has new laws, a new priesthood, and a new sacrifice. The law of Yahweh is is written upon the heart and it is new.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So the question begs what is God's law?

Would it not include the law God personally wrote and personally spoke, His personal Testimony Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 that is under His Mercy Seat, that all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 shown in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? Rev 11:19

Of course it does.

Why God in His lovingness towards mankind made a New Covenant because the Old Covenant was broken by the people, but established the NC based on what God does, why the New Covenant was established on better promises. It still has God's law, now written on a better surface and kept through our love and cooperation through the power of God John 14:15-18. Sin is still breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 and God does not want His children to sin, because it separates us from Him Isa 59:2 but through Him we can overcome.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

 

[trophy33]

So the question begs what is God's law?

It is not "here or there", from "A" to "Z", nothing carved into a stone, a rigid letter.

It is various things, depending on the context of our life, based upon the good principles and love written in our hearts.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is not "here or there", from "A" to "Z", nothing carved into a stone etc.

It is various things, depending on the context of our life, based upon the good principles and love written in our hearts.

It doesn't say various things on the context of our life, based upon the good principles and love written in our hearts.
Based on our principles and how we define love

But it does say:

I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts;

 

[trophy33]

I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts;

So why are you arguing with us that our hearts are saying wrong things? And why do you argue with the Old letter against us? You just quoted that God changed the source of authority.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So why are you arguing with us that our hearts are saying wrong things? And why do you argue with the Old letter against us? You just quoted that God changed the source of authority.

It has God's law, not our laws. Same Authority- God, not us.

Jer 19:7 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Why we are to depend on everything, instead of what we feel is right or wrong

 

[trophy33]

It has God's law, not our laws.

Jer 19:7 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

Why we are to depend on everything, instead of what we feel is right or wrong

See? You simply do not really believe that the laws of God are written on our hearts. That is why you are so stuck in the OT letter.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is what Jesus taught when we lay aside the commandment of God, meaning "they are not for me" to replace with our own law/tradition/what we deem is right or wrong instead of obeying God, quoting directly from the Ten Commandments.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; Exo 20:1-17 and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

God will be all of our righteous Judge and nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14. I believe He is coming soon and just like the days of Noah, will be like the coming of Jesus Christ. Matthew 24:37 Most of the peoples hearts were not right when the flood came- we need to be sure our heart is right with God now, not following the popular crowd, keeping popular traditions. He wrote His law in our hearts and minds when keep them the way He said, though faith and love by His power John 14:15-18 John 15:10 1 John 2:6 it reconciles us Rev 22:14

 

[BobRyan]

“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul is well-pleased. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.

“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street.​

“A crushed reed He will not break And a faintly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will bring forth justice in truth.​

“He will not be faint or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coast lands will wait expectantly for His law.”​

Thus says the God, Yahweh, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it,

“I am Yahweh, I have called You in righteousness; I will also take hold of You by the hand and guard You, And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who inhabit darkness from the prison.​

“I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.​

“Behold, the former things have come to pass; Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I cause you to hear them.”​

Isa 42:1-9 LSB

Wait for his law.
For finding fault with them, He says,

“BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL COMPLETE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH; NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.​

“FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND UPON THEIR HEARTS I WILL WRITE THEM. AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.​

“AND THEY SHALL NOT TEACH EVERYONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN, AND EVERYONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’ FOR ALL WILL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.​

“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.”​

When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Heb 8:8-13 LSB

A new covenant has new laws, a new priesthood, and a new sacrifice. The law of Yahweh is is written upon the heart and it is new.

Rom 13 says it has the same moral laws
James 2 says it has the same moral laws

1 John 3:4 SIN IS transgression of the Law

Paul says "the first commandment with a promise" in that set of moral laws is "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:1-3

Matt 19 Jesus said it has the same laws
Even your own RCC says the TEN Commandments are included in moral law of God binding on all mankind under the New Cov

It is against God's Law to "Take God's name in vain" in both covenants
It is against God's Law to dishonor parents in both covenants
etc.

 

[BobRyan]

It doesn't say various things on the context of our life, based upon the good principles and love written in our hearts.
Based on our principles and how we define love

But it does say:

I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts;

amen.

And they knew in the OT from Deut 4 and Deut 5 that He spoke "the TEN and added no more" -- in other words the TEN ARE included in what they considered to be "God's Laws"

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

It is not "here or there", from "A" to "Z", nothing carved into a stone, a rigid letter.

It is various things, depending on the context of our life, based upon the good principles and love written in our hearts.

so you mean pick and choose?

 

[trophy33]

so you mean pick and choose?

I mean listen to your conscience and apply wisdom in your individual life.

This is Christianity 101.

 

[Clare73]

So the question begs what is God's law?

The Decalogue was the condition/terms of the Old Covenant (Dt 7:12, 26:17, 2 Kgs 21:8).

The Old Covenant is obsolete, its conditions/terms are obsolete (Heb 8:13) and the new law of the New Covenant is written on the hearts of God's people; i.e., love of God, love of neighbor as self and love of the brethren as Christ loves them (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8, 10).

That is the authoritative apostolic teaching (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8, 10, Heb 8:13) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

 

[Clare73]

if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.(mat 19:17)

So we are saved by law keeping. . .NOT!

Misappropriation of Scripture. . .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Decalogue was the condition/terms of the Old Covenant (Dt 7:12, 26:17, 2 Kgs 21:8).

The Old Covenant is obsolete, its conditions/terms are obsolete (Heb 8:13) and the new law of the New Covenant is written on the hearts of God's people; i.e., love of God, love of neighbor as self and love of the brethren as Christ loves them (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8, 10).

That is the authoritative apostolic teaching (Jn 13:34, Ro 13:8, 10, Heb 8:13) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

Yes, the Old Covenant is obsolete , no one is saying otherwise, but are you claiming the Ten Commandments is not part of God's law written in the heart of His New Covenant people? If so, can you please demonstrate this through Scripture. The New Covenant was not established on new and better laws, so best not to add what it doesn't say, God said it was established on better promises Heb 8:6- it still has God's law now written in the heart and mind of His people Heb 8:10. Since when did God's law, that God wrote and God spoke not become God's law? On whose authority? Man over God's?

I find it odd you did not quote Rom 13:9, you quoted the verse before and verse after, perhaps because verse 13:9 proves the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere except in the hearts of the NC believer showing what sums up the Second Greatest commandment coming right from the Ten Commandments that deals with love to our neighbor. Just like Jesus own Testimony saying when we replace our traditions/laws with the commandment of God quoting right from the Ten Commandments, ones heart is far from Him and that's not the way to worship Him. Sadly not many believe Christ's own Testimony.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, the Old Covenant is obsolete , no one is saying otherwise, but are you claiming the Ten Commandments is not part of God's law written in the heart of His New Covenant people? If so, can you please demonstrate this through Scripture. The New Covenant was not established on new and better laws, so best not to add what it doesn;t say, God said it was established on better promises Heb 8:6- it still has God's law now written in the heart and mind of His people Heb 8:10. Since when did God's law not become God's law?

I find it odd you did not quote Rom 13:9, you quoted the verse before and verse after, perhaps because verse 13:9 proves the Ten Commandments didn't go anywhere except in the hearts of the NC believer showing what sums up the Second Greatest commandment coming right from the Ten Commandments. Just like Jesus own Testimony saying when we replace our traditions/laws with the commandment of God quoting right from the Ten Commandments, ones heart is far from Him and that's not the way to worship Him. Sadly not many believe Christ's own Testimony.

Previously addressed. . .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So we are saved by law keeping. . .NOT!

Misappropriation of Scripture. . .

You do know who you are arguing with? Christ's own Testimony.

We are saved by the blood of Christ though faith. Faith does not void the law, but it establishes it Rom 3:31

No one is saved in their sins; we are saved from our sin Mat 1:21 so best to believe Jesus, if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments Mat 19:17, not to be saved, but because that is how a saved person with faith lives Rev 14:12

Breaking God's law, His version without repenting and forsaking Pro 28:13 is not the way back to reconciliation Rev 22:14

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So we are saved by law keeping. . .NOT!

Misappropriation of Scripture. . .

Claire With all due respect, do you realize you contradict Jesus who said that to enter life to keep the commandments, did Jesus change his mind?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I mean listen to your conscience and apply wisdom in your individual life.

This is Christianity 101.

What about what God wants, does not it count for something?

 

[trophy33]

What about what God wants, does not it count for something?

It is the whole point - if you have a new heart, if you are born from above and have the Holy Spirit, God is teaching you what to do and how to live, what is good and what is not.

If you need to read the Old Testament to know what God wants from you, something is not right. Not just because it is "Old" and not written for you, which is another problem. But the fact as such that you need to have a written instruction to understand what God wants.