THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

[Leaf473]

"what must I do"

We don't gain eternal life by doing, but by believing. The man isn't ready for that yet, so Jesus gives him a task that hopefully will bring him to a place of believing

Some scholars believe the man is John Mark. If that's true, then it worked

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus answered the question plainly, its up to us to believe His teachings or not.

Believing is something people do. We can choose to believe Jesus at His word or choose not to.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Anyone can say Lord Lord, but it is He who does God's will, will enter through the gates of Heaven, Mat 7:21-23 Rev 22:14

 

[Leaf473]

It's a matter of language. Believe is an action verb, but it's different from works

But to him who doesn’t work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounces blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works

 

[Bob S]

Bob, like I told you before, Christ said clearly if you will enter into life keep the commandments.

The Rich Young Man​

16 Once a man came to Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what good thing must I do to receive eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me concerning what is good?” answered Jesus. “There is only One who is good. Keep the commandments if you want to enter life.”
18 “What commandments?” he asked.
Jesus answered, “Do not commit murder; do not commit adultery; do not steal; do not accuse anyone falsely; 19 respect your father and your mother; and love your neighbor as you love yourself.”
20 “I have obeyed all these commandments,” the young man replied. “What else do I need to do?”
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven; then come and follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he was very rich.
23 Jesus then said to his disciples, “I assure you: it will be very hard for rich people to enter the Kingdom of heaven. 24 I repeat: it is much harder for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were completely amazed. “Who, then, can be saved?” they asked.
26 Jesus looked straight at them and answered, “This is impossible for human beings, but for God everything is possible.”

Yes, you keep telling me. What you are also doing is ignoring all that I have written to refute what you told me. The Israelites, including the rich young ruler, were under the old covenant. There were over 600 commands in that covenant, not just ten, so if you believe we are required to keep all the commands the rich young ruler was obligated to keep, then you are committing heresy when you refer to commandments as just the ten. The other thing about Jesus' incident with the rich young ruler is that Jesus never mentioned Sabbath keeping as a key to entering the kingdom. If it was so important to keep, why didn't Jesus require him to keep it? Jesus told him to love his neighbor, which was not one of the Ten Commandments. That command came from God orally, as did the feast Sabbaths, not cutting sideburns, etc.

I have told you this before and No You cannot pick and choose the commandments you want to keep. all ten Commandments are from GOD are in the ark of the Covenant, they are the Covenant. and No they were not only for the israelites but to all who want to follow GOD and Love him, Jesus was clear about this.

All 613 were from God JFF. Loving others was not from the ten. That command was not IN the Ark yet it is the greatest command of all. It alone covers every aspect of sin.

Are you telling us that only Israelites with all of their laws were the only ones that loved God and followed Him???? Why didn't God ever tell the rest of the world's0 inhabitants they were also under the old covenant laws?

here is part of a reply I gave to someone else today it is about the sabbath;

The words of Jesus and the Old Testament are clear that the law, including the Ten Commandments, is not abolished but fulfilled in Christ. Jesus repeatedly emphasized the importance of love as the heart of God's law, fulfilling it in a way that goes beyond mere external compliance.

In Matthew 5, Jesus said He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. He called for a deeper righteousness, one that transcends legalism. The law pointed to the character of God, but it could never fully capture His essence. As such, while the Ten Commandments reveal God’s nature, they are not the end goal. Jesus, through His life, taught that the law’s fulfillment is found in love: love for God and love for others (Matthew 22:37-40). This is the “law” written on our hearts, which the Holy Spirit enables us to live out.Thus, the law isn’t abolished, but its true purpose—rooted in love—becomes evident in Christ. He did not destroy the law but brought it to its intended fulfillment.

The sabbath, as originally given by God, was intended to be a day of rest, reflection, and relationship with Him—a day to cease from labor and focus on spiritual renewal. However, over time, human traditions added a multitude of rules and regulations surrounding the Sabbath, burdening it with a legalistic framework that made it more about ritual compliance than the spirit of rest and devotion it was meant to represent.
Jesus, in Matthew 12:12, challenges this distortion of the Sabbath by emphasizing that acts of kindness and mercy are in alignment with the true purpose of the Sabbath. His actions on the Sabbath—healing the sick and doing good—show that the Sabbath is not merely about following a rigid set of rules, but about fulfilling God's deeper purpose of love and compassion.

The description of the Sabbath given in Isaiah 58:13, where the Lord speaks through the prophet, saying:

"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words..."

Isaiah describes the Sabbath as a day set apart for God’s purposes—one that is honorable and joyful, not a day for empty rituals or human-imposed burdens. The focus is on delighting in God, refraining from selfish pursuits, and honoring the day by aligning with God’s heart. It’s about a life that reflects God’s will, not simply avoiding work or adhering to a set of external rules.

In contrast to the heavy regulations added by men, Isaiah points to the Sabbath as a day that should reflect a heart of worship, joy, and compassion—not one burdened by human-made rules. Jesus, in his ministry, seeks to restore the true spirit of the Sabbath, moving beyond the legalistic interpretation that had grown over time, and showing that its true purpose is fulfilled in acts of love, mercy, and goodness. Thus, the Sabbath is not about adhering to human regulations, but about aligning with God’s heart and His deeper desires for His people. And yes the sabbath command is part of the Commandments written by God on tables of stone written with his own finger and called the Covenant. Who are we to contradict God and change what He ordained.

To defy the divine Commandments is to shatter the sacred Covenant God, through the sacrifice of Jesus, has personally etched upon your very soul. Imagine then the profound and eternal consequences of such an act.

I truly hope the person to whom you wrote your statement is able to see through all the flowery comments. Is 58:13 is the clincher for the reason the Ten Commandments were called the ministry of death. The Israelites thought that the way to eternal life was to keep all the rules. The fact is that none of them ever was able to actually keep it. It is no different today. Observers give lip service that they are Sabbath keepers, but their actions tell a much different story. I should know because I rubbed elbows with hundreds of Sabbath observers over the 40 years I claimed to be a Sabbath keeper. Even the most pious spoke idle words. Is it any wonder Paul called the Ten Commandments the ministry of death? If one broke one of the commands God gave to Israel he/she might as well have broken them all.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Yes, you keep telling me. What you are also doing is ignoring all that I have written to refute what you told me. The Israelites, including the rich young ruler, were under the old covenant. There were over 600 commands in that covenant, not just ten, so if you believe we are required to keep all the commands the rich young ruler was obligated to keep, then you are committing heresy when you refer to commandments as just the ten. The other thing about Jesus' incident with the rich young ruler is that Jesus never mentioned Sabbath keeping as a key to entering the kingdom. If it was so important to keep, why didn't Jesus require him to keep it? Jesus told him to love his neighbor, which was not one of the Ten Commandments. That command came from God orally, as did the feast Sabbaths, not cutting sideburns, etc.

All 613 were from God JFF. Loving others was not from the ten. That command was not IN the Ark yet it is the greatest command of all. It alone covers every aspect of sin.

Are you telling us that only Israelites with all of their laws were the only ones that loved God and followed Him???? Why didn't God ever tell the rest of the world's0 inhabitants they were also under the old covenant laws?

I truly hope the person to whom you wrote your statement is able to see through all the flowery comments. Is 58:13 is the clincher for the reason the Ten Commandments were called the ministry of death. The Israelites thought that the way to eternal life was to keep all the rules. The fact is that none of them ever was able to actually keep it. It is no different today. Observers give lip service that they are Sabbath keepers, but their actions tell a much different story. I should know because I rubbed elbows with hundreds of Sabbath observers over the 40 years I claimed to be a Sabbath keeper. Even the most pious spoke idle words. Is it any wonder Paul called the Ten Commandments the ministry of death? If one broke one of the commands God gave to Israel he/she might as well have broken them all.

Jesus said "Keep the commandments if you want to enter life."
will you?
Why wont you listen to Jesus ?

 

[Leaf473]

Hi again, JesusFollowerForever

Shall we try to keep these instructions?
"See that you tell nobody; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them" Matthew 8

O Lord, our Lord,
how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Hi again, JesusFollowerForever

Shall we try to keep these instructions?
"See that you tell nobody; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them" Matthew 8

O Lord, our Lord,
how majestic is your name in all the earth! Psalm 8

well since you already know the answer there is no point.

 

[Leaf473]

well since you already know the answer there is no point.

That's cool What I'm getting at is that we don't do everything Jesus told someone to do

There are significant differences between a Christian today and the Rich Young ruler

Matthew 11:11
Most certainly I tell you, among those who are born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptizer; yet he who is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he

Oh the deep, deep love of Jesus!

 

[Bob S]

Jesus said "Keep the commandments if you want to enter life."
will you?
Why wont you listen to Jesus ?

I seldom get frustrated, JFF, but after the many posts on which you refuse to comment, I have concluded that it has continued to be a one-way debate.

Because of your continual refusal to answer my questions and comments, I have decided not to waste any more time trying to help you see the real truth..

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I seldom get frustrated, JFF, but after the many posts on which you refuse to comment, I have concluded that it has continued to be a one-way debate.

Because of your continual refusal to answer my questions and comments, I have decided not to waste any more time trying to help you see the real truth..

I have always answered your questions in the same way. Tell me which one was left answered and I shall reply as I always do.

 

[DamianWarS]

THE LAW OF MOSES FLOWS FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

Christ's law is more foundational as all the law and prophets (including the 10) hang from them. Interestingly, Christ does not show us a hierarchy that signals out the 10. it is only Christ's law that is above all else and it seems other heiarchies pale in comparison that it's not necessary to even mention them. the format is as follows:

CHRIST'S LAW
(the two greatest commandments)
↓
LAW AND THE PROPHETS

Yes, the 10 are included in "law and the prophets" but indiscriminately so. Christ doesn't take the time to isolate them.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Christ's law is more foundational as all the law and prophets (including the 10) hang from them. Interestingly, Christ does not show us a hierarchy that signals out the 10. it is only Christ's law that is above all else and it seems other heiarchies pale in comparison that it's not necessary to even mention them. the format is as follows:

CHRIST'S LAW
(the two greatest commandments)
↓
LAW AND THE PROPHETS

Yes, the 10 are included in "law and the prophets" but indiscriminately so. Christ doesn't take the time to isolate them.

How easily your memory fails, and how little you truly understand.

Do you not remember the story of the rich young man? What did Jesus say? How many times will you ignore and contradict the very words of God?

Matthew 19:16–17 (NKJV)
“Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus then named the commandments clearly:

Matthew 19:18–19
“‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Mark recorded the same truth:

Mark 10:19
“You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

These are not suggestions. They are clear instructions from the mouth of Jesus Himself. He plainly said that keeping the commandments is necessary for eternal life. That should settle the matter.


The modern idea of “Christ’s law” replacing the Ten Commandments is not found anywhere in Jesus’ words. It is a man-made belief—an invention that stands in opposition to everything He taught. Jesus honored His Father’s law and called us to do the same. He summed up the commandments in two: love God and love your neighbor. But He also said, “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” This means the Ten Commandments rest on the foundation of love—not that they are replaced by it.


Jesus went even deeper. He magnified the law, showing that true obedience is not just outward but inward. He taught that:Murder begins with anger,Adultery begins with lust,And that we must love even our enemies.

This is how He fulfilled the words of the prophet Isaiah:

Isaiah 42:21
“The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law and make it honorable.”

So again, the idea that “Christ’s law” is something new or different from the Ten Commandments is false. It is not from Jesus. It is from men. Jesus did not cancel the law—He revealed its full beauty and power. If we truly love Him, we will keep His commandments from the heart, just as He said:

John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

But since you choose not to listen—to neither reason nor what is plainly written—I will now step away. What happens next is not mine to decide. I do not judge you, but the path you follow leads to sorrow and darkness. May your eyes be opened before it is too late.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How easily your memory fails, and how little you truly understand.

Do you not remember the story of the rich young man? What did Jesus say? How many times will you ignore and contradict the very words of God?



Jesus then named the commandments clearly:


Mark recorded the same truth:


These are not suggestions. They are clear instructions from the mouth of Jesus Himself. He plainly said that keeping the commandments is necessary for eternal life. That should settle the matter.


The modern idea of “Christ’s law” replacing the Ten Commandments is not found anywhere in Jesus’ words. It is a man-made belief—an invention that stands in opposition to everything He taught. Jesus honored His Father’s law and called us to do the same. He summed up the commandments in two: love God and love your neighbor. But He also said, “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” This means the Ten Commandments rest on the foundation of love—not that they are replaced by it.


Jesus went even deeper. He magnified the law, showing that true obedience is not just outward but inward. He taught that:Murder begins with anger,Adultery begins with lust,And that we must love even our enemies.

This is how He fulfilled the words of the prophet Isaiah:


So again, the idea that “Christ’s law” is something new or different from the Ten Commandments is false. It is not from Jesus. It is from men. Jesus did not cancel the law—He revealed its full beauty and power. If we truly love Him, we will keep His commandments from the heart, just as He said:



But since you choose not to listen—to neither reason nor what is plainly written—I will now step away. What happens next is not mine to decide. I do not judge you, but the path you follow leads to sorrow and darkness. May your eyes be opened before it is too late.

Its sad as if to say Christ is not God and they have different laws. God's law is under His Mercy seat what all man is Judged by Rev 11:18-19 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 but Christ law is in a different heaven by a different God with a different standard of Judgement. Does Scripture say this?

Heb 1: 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

One gospel
One God's Law
One Judgement
One God- three persons

For those who think Christ's law is different than God's law automatically disqualify themselves Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 1 John 5:3 Rev 12:17 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14. If one wants to get technical God's law is what defines Christ laws- how to love man how to love God. They all work together because its all one Law, but people believe God left it up to man to define how to love God or our brethren when He didn't Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3 John 15:10. Love is not just a feeling, it is a commitment to God living by His every Word, not ours. Mat 4:4

There are many who believe their words are equal/above the Scriptures, even thus saith the Lords and I have found there is sadly no reasoning with this mindset. All we can do is pray

 

[Leaf473]

Some reasons why the story of the Rich Young ruler is not a slam dunk

Jesus and the ruler were talking under the old Covenant

Next, Jesus may have tailored his answer to the man's question. The man asks what he must do. He doesn't ask in whom must he believe

The woman at the well gets a different answer

“If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water”

 

[DamianWarS]

How easily your memory fails, and how little you truly understand.

Do you not remember the story of the rich young man? What did Jesus say? How many times will you ignore and contradict the very words of God?

Jesus then named the commandments clearly:

comandments according to the text in Matthew:
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
Honor your father and your mother
You shall love your neighbor as yourself

6 commandments, 5 of which appear in the 10, 1 does not. The goal of the account is not to highlight the 10, the goal was to move past the 10. Christ already knew the answer of the rich man, this was a segue to target the man's heart. This remarks are sobering "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?". He kept the commandments yet still lacked.

These are not suggestions. They are clear instructions from the mouth of Jesus Himself. He plainly said that keeping the commandments is necessary for eternal life. That should settle the matter.

yet Christ's conclusions still move past the 10 to deeper matters.

The modern idea of “Christ’s law” replacing the Ten Commandments is not found anywhere in Jesus’ words. It is a man-made belief—an invention that stands in opposition to everything He taught. Jesus honored His Father’s law and called us to do the same. He summed up the commandments in two: love God and love your neighbor. But He also said, “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” This means the Ten Commandments rest on the foundation of love—not that they are replaced by it.

it means "all the law and the prophets" rest on the foundation of love. However, Christ's focus is more on hanging over resting. The OP says the law flows from the 10 yet here we have evidence to the contary that the law flows from these two commandments.

Jesus went even deeper. He magnified the law, showing that true obedience is not just outward but inward. He taught that:Murder begins with anger,Adultery begins with lust,And that we must love even our enemies.

Christ goes to lengths the law does not reveal. Both are based on the same universals but have different motivations. The 10 are a polemic to surrounding cultural values and polytheistic worship it's design is to reinforce things like theistic values and broad morals to serve as a springboard for love while also using it as an image of God's plan for salvation. Christ's focus still has the salvation message, but his emphasis is on the heart and of love while speaking against legalistic products resulting from the law. Christ identifies this structure as superior to rather than inferior to, and shows us an example of how a focus on this love results in lawful action, like in Mat 12:12, showing the goodness is considered lawful action on the sabbath even if it results in work. This already introduces the idea that this focus of goodness keeps and fulfills law, and NT authors echo this same value, saying Christ's law is the focus that dwarves all others.

So again, the idea that “Christ’s law” is something new or different from the Ten Commandments is false. It is not from Jesus. It is from men. Jesus did not cancel the law—He revealed its full beauty and power. If we truly love Him, we will keep His commandments from the heart, just as He said:

The net value, however you wish to phrase it, is a focus on Christ's law.

But since you choose not to listen—to neither reason nor what is plainly written—I will now step away. What happens next is not mine to decide. I do not judge you, but the path you follow leads to sorrow and darkness. May your eyes be opened before it is too late.

This reflects our passion, the same passion I have and perhaps the same listening ears (which may present as the opposite to the other side). It is not reason nor what is plainly written that is our goal (I myself am extremely logically driven), but ears that can hear the spirit, (I speak of myself more than any). Passion or any agendas for these issues aside, with your permission, I will pray for these ears to hear.

 

[The Liturgist]

so many interpretations possible and people always make excuses for Paul, I am not one of them, he said what he said and meant what he meant.

There is no problem with what Jesus said BTW, all he said is clear and consistent..the problem is that many follow exclusively what Paul said and forget about Christ. I see this often in this forums. they are easy to spot, they quote almost exclusively from Paul. I am trying to bring them back to Christ and His teachings, Christ is the only way to eternal life. But my work is almost complete here I will not be with this Forum for much longer.

St. Paul is an Apostle whose writings were inspired Scripture, equal in authority to all other New Testament texts. You don’t get to deprecate St. Paul because you disagree with his writings, which were written by him through the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, and which in some cases directly quote Christ our True God.

There is no mechanism whereby St. Paul’s writings could be understood to be less the inspired Scripture of God than anything else written of the Word. His writings predate the composition of most or all of the four canonical Gospels (with the possible exception of St. Mark), and contain what is likely the oldest surviving account of the Last Supper, certainly the most authoritative, for it is the version in Corinthians that most resembles the form used liturgically by the Church since the beginning.

If there were a reason to reject the Pauline epistles, St. Athanasius or one of the earlier church Fathers going back to the late first century would have taken action to exclude them from the canon, which was finalized with the 27 books of the New Testament by St. Athanasius 1,698 years ago.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

St. Paul is an Apostle whose writings were inspired Scripture, equal in authority to all other New Testament texts. You don’t get to deprecate St. Paul because you disagree with his writings, which were written by him through the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, and which in some cases directly quote Christ our True God.

There is no mechanism whereby St. Paul’s writings could be understood to be less the inspired Scripture of God than anything else written of the Word. His writings predate the composition of most or all of the four canonical Gospels (with the possible exception of St. Mark), and contain what is likely the oldest surviving account of the Last Supper, certainly the most authoritative, for it is the version in Corinthians that most resembles the form used liturgically by the Church since the beginning.

If there were a reason to reject the Pauline epistles, St. Athanasius or one of the earlier church Fathers going back to the late first century would have taken action to exclude them from the canon, which was finalized with the 27 books of the New Testament by St. Athanasius 1,698 years ago.

if you say so

 

[The Liturgist]

if you say so

What is your exact position on St. Paul? Are you saying that his views are inconsistent with those of Christ our True God? Did the early church make an error in including his writings in the canon of Scripture?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

What is your exact position on St. Paul? Are you saying that his views are inconsistent with those of Christ our True God? Did the early church make an error in including his writings in the canon of Scripture?

I cannot discuss here in this forum as you know it is not allowed