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Ok,, back to square one.

The Law applicable today is the covenant, the 10 commandment ( see the O.P.)
Probably should, then, remember where it is written that God broke that covenant.
I shoud have written "we keep the (COMMANDMENTS) because we Love God and nothing else."
So, you do not love your neighbor as yourself?
And what about you Jeb, I would like to know , do you keep, the commandments, some of the laws of Moses? and why, that is your take on all of this?
I am not bound by the covenant between God and the children of Israel, the covenant that God has broken, and I do not keep its laws. I am bound by the covenant between God and those who He has adopted as His children, the covenant whose most important laws are not listed in the Ten Commandments. The laws of the new covenant, given out of the mouth of the Son of God, I keep as He has made able. And I encourage all to abandon that which God has broken, and become willing to deny self and all of the former covenants, take up the burdens that the Father in Heaven has given, and follow that Son of God.
 
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Jesus stated all the laws could be fulfilled in only 2 laws, to love the Lord God with all of your heart AND to love your neighbor as yourself.
Why do you claim that Jesus said, something He did not say?
 
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Why do you claim that Jesus said, something He did not say?
Yes, in Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus states that the entire law and the prophets hang on two commandments: loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and loving your neighbor as yourself. These two commandments are considered the foundation of all God's commands.

The Ten Commandments do not explicitly include a single commandment titled "Love your neighbor." However, the commandment "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" is considered a summary of the last six commandments and is seen as central to Christian theology.

Get real man.....don't play word games like the Pharisees did.
 
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Yes, in Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus states that the entire law and the prophets hang on two commandments: loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and loving your neighbor as yourself. These two commandments are considered the foundation of all God's commands.

The Ten Commandments do not explicitly include a single commandment titled "Love your neighbor." However, the commandment "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" is considered a summary of the last six commandments and is seen as central to Christian theology.
Is considered?
Get real man.....don't play word games like the Pharisees did.
Don't claim that human consideration is the Word of God.

Have you ever read the Second Commandment?

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20:4-6

There are multiple statements within. First of all, the children of Israel were to make not only no graven images, but no likenesses at all, of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Of course, God is God, He is not bound by the laws He gives, so He commanded specific exceptions to these words; but the words are indeed the Second Commandment of the Ten. It also speaks of His vengeance to be taken upon their neighbors who hate Him, and not love of them. And we have other commandments elsewhere, in which it is written that the children of Israel were to be His instrument to take much of that vengeance.

And indeed, the Second Commandment "hangs" on the second commandment of Christ the Lord. It does not contain it or deliver it.

Don't parrot that which you are told is "considered". Deliver that which God has said.
 
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Don't claim that human consideration is the Word of God.

Have you ever read the Second Commandment?
Dude & brother in Christ, I have been called to preach for 40 years with Prophesy being my bent, I cn explain the whole book of Revelation in one post (I have in a blog), I can explain the 1260, (easy for everyone) the 1290 and 1335, HINT, each number is that many days until ALL THESE WONDERS END or THINGS END as Daniel's question put it in verse 8 (2nd Coming of Jesus). Those THINGS were Dan. 11:36-45 the coming Little Horn/AC/Beast. So, guess what, the AC is not the one who takes away the Sacrifice (Jesus Worship, not some profane meat sacrifice) he only comes on the scene as The Beast 30 days after the 1290, its the False Prophet who will be a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus, whose real name was Yeshua, his brother Onias III was a pious high priest who Antiochus had killed, after Jason his brother bribed hm to be named the High Priest. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus and mandated all Jews become Hellenized, leading to the Maccabean Revolt. Thus we had the Archetype AC and the Archetype FP both living at the same time (OF COURSE). And in the end time the FP will decree Jesus Worship by Jews in his temple or maybe in Jerusalem, illegal. That is because the 1335 happens 45 days before the 1290, and its the Two-witnesses BLESSING, who show up BEFORE the DOTL(1260) just as Malachi 4:5 tells us. And in Zechariah 13:8-9 we see 1/3 of Israel repents then in the very next verse we see the (Zechariah 14:1) DOTL arrives.

So it all jibes, the Two-witnesses must be the 1335 because Israel repents BEFORE the 1260 DOTL. Also, God gave both the Two-witnesses and the Beast 1260 day Ordained by God Offices but WHY? So we can see their timelines, the 2 Wit. die at the 2nd Woe right? And the Beast dies at the 7th Vial (end of the 3rd Woe) so if both have 1260 day ordained TIMELINES, the ones who die first have to show up first right? 1335 days before the 2nd coming vs. 1260 days before the 2nd coming.

I got all that by doing an Exegesis on Dan. 11 & 12 where I name every Player/King etc. and reveal each verses meaning. God blessed me with the above, over a year after I did my work, LOL, I did not see it to start with myself.

These things above are HARD TASKS my brother, the point I made above is a given. If we love God with all our hearts ad loved others as ourselves, the world would not be in such chaos.

God Bless
 
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Interesting how you pile words about yourself and your personal years and your personal achievements and your personal abilities, rather than discuss that which God has in fact said in the topic at hand.

So back to the topic at hand. No, the Greatest Commandment of Christ the Lord is not to be found within the Ten, and neither is the Second Greatest Commandment of Christ the Lord. The Ten hang from them -- but they are not the Greatest Commandments, and they are not the New Covenant.
 
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Interesting how you pile words about yourself and your personal years and your personal achievements and your personal abilities, rather than discuss that which God has in fact said in the topic at hand.

So back to the topic at hand. No, the Greatest Commandment of Christ the Lord is not to be found within the Ten, and neither is the Second Greatest Commandment of Christ the Lord. The Ten hang from them -- but they are not the Greatest Commandments, and they are not the New Covenant.
Do you not believe what Paul said summed up the Second Greatest commandment? He literally spells it out for us

Rom 13: 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Where did the commandments come from that Paul quoted to sum up the Second Greatest commandment to love thy neighbor? You will find them verbatim in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:1-17

The Greatest Commandments to love God with all our heart. soul and mind, also come from the Ten Commandments.

Moses just repeated the Ten Commandments 40 years after God gave them and repeated right before entering the Promise Land for them to keep and teach their children to diligently keep and their children's children etc. and right after repeating the Ten Commandments he said this:

Deut 6:1 “Now this is the commandment, and these are the statutes and judgments which the Lord your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe them in the land which you are crossing over to possess, 2 that you may fear the Lord your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged. 3 Therefore hear, O Israel, and [a]be careful to observe it, that it may be well with you, and that you may multiply greatly as the Lord God of your fathers has promised you—‘a land flowing with milk and honey.’

4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

The Greatest commandments are taken directly from the Ten Commandments which shows us how to love God and how to love our fellow man which the entire Bible hangs on. God never let love go undefined and us choosing what we feel is how to love God and how to love man, will only deceive us Jer 17:9 why we need to depend on God for everything. Can you imagine having the greatest commandments to love God with all our heart, might and soul not include thou shalt not have any other gods before Me. No of course not, either are the rest of what God said and God wrote excluded. but what the bible hangs on which when keeping through faith and love reconciles us back to God Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14
 
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Do you not believe what Paul said summed up the Second Greatest commandment? He literally spells it out for us

Rom 13: 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Do you read the words you post? Or did you choose to disregard the phrase before the "all summed up" statement?
 
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Do you read the words you post? Or did you choose to disregard the phrase before the "all summed up" statement?
What phase, 'and if there is any other commandment', is there not other commandments in the Ten Paul didn't quote? How does that make it the second greatest commandment not from the Ten Commandments when he literally just quoted from them saying it what makes up or summarizes the second greatest commandment to love thy neighbor? The summary does not delete the details. The constitution can be summarized by the word justice, does that make all the laws go away on what forms justice? Of course not.
 
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What phase, 'and if there is any other commandment', is there not other commandments in the Ten Paul didn't quote? How does that make it the second greatest commandment not from the Ten Commandments when he literally just quoted from them saying it what makes up or summarizes the second greatest commandment to love thy neighbor? The summary does not delete the details. The constitution can be summarized by the word justice, does that make all the laws go away on what forms justice? Of course not.
I wonder why you have inserted "ten" into those verses of Holy Scripture.
 
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I wonder why you have inserted "ten" into those verses of Holy Scripture.
Because thats the commandments in which Paul was quoting from verbatim Exo 20:1-17. The same ones God numbered Deut 4:14 Exo 34:28
 
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Because thats the commandments in which Paul was quoting from verbatim Exo 20:1-17. The same ones God numbered Deut 4:14 Exo 34:28
Please do not insert "ten" when the Apostle includes a phrase which expands far.
 
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Please do not insert "ten" when the Apostle includes a phrase which expands far.
What commandments was Paul quoting from exclusively? Are we just to ignore what God called them Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28.

Sad world we are in, when we are debating over God’s commandments that the God of the Universe divinely wrote and deciding which ones we keep or not keep, essentially making ourselves our own god.

I think we are too far apart in our understanding of Scripture. I do not see a point in continuing, but I do wish you well.
 
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What commandments was Paul quoting from exclusively? Are we just to ignore what God called them Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28.
There is more that Paul referenced.
Sad world we are in, when we are debating over God’s commandments that the God of the Universe divinely wrote and deciding which ones we keep or not keep, essentially making ourselves our own god.
Perhaps this is what you do; I don't know, but I don't think so. I do not do as you have suggested.
I think we are too far apart in our understanding of Scripture. I do not see a point in continuing,
OK. Perhaps others in this thread will continue.
but I do wish you well.
Ditto!
 
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There is more that Paul referenced.
Then quote anything outside of the Ten Commandments Paul referenced. But, to be fair that wasn’t even your original argument, you claimed the great commandments had nothing to do with the Ten Commandment. Obviously, thats not true Rom 13:9 Deut 6
 
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The Great Commandments, are not the Ten. They are not within the Ten. The ten hang from them. That is different.
Either way, they are included in the Greatest commandments showing how to love God and how to love man. 1 John 5:2-3
 
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The Great Commandments, are not the Ten. They are not within the Ten. The ten hang from them. That is different.
Nor are the Ten the basis of the New Covenant, they are the basis of the Old Covenant, which is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

The New Covenant has a new commandment (Jn 13:34).
 
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Nor are the Ten the basis of the New Covenant, they are the basis of the Old Covenant, which is obsolete (Heb 8:13).

The New Covenant has a new commandment (Jn 13:34).
just one Claire? what about the ten commandments jesus was teaching and said we must follow to enter life?
What Christ our lord said we should do, we should.
 
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just one Claire? what about the ten commandments jesus was teaching and said we must follow to enter life?
What Christ our lord said we should do, we should.
Have you not read that fulfilling the one thereby fulfills the ten (Ro 13:8, 10)?
 
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