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When Jesus died, the tearing of the veil from top to bottom symbolized the removal of the barrier between God and humanity. It indicated that through Jesus' death, the way to God was opened for all people, not just the high priest. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for anyone to have direct access to God, without the need for a mediator. This act signifies the end of the old covenant system of sacrifices and rituals and the beginning of a new covenant through Jesus' atoning work on the cross.

Just to be clear, you understand that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, the only begotten Son of the Father, of one essence with the Father, begotten, not made, very God of very God?

If so, your statement is not wrong.

However, I always worry when I see a sentence that appears to use Jesus and God in reference to separate subjects. For example, it is extremely problematic to use God to refer to the Father and then use Jesus in contrast to God, since both the unoriginate Father and His only begotten Son are fully God, together with the Holy Spirit.
 
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The topic of this thread is the decalogue and its relation (or lack thereof) with the New Covenant. Scripture makes it clear that the decalogue is not the New Covenant but is rather part of the Old Covenant with Israel. Israel in the context of the New Covenant refers to the Church.

I would also say that if we have any disagreement, it is germane to this thread, since the SDA interprets the decalogue very differently from the Orthodox, and I disagree with your assertion that the SDA doctrine is the only doctrine which is plainly taught in Scripture, and conversely you appear to disagree with my assertion that the shareed Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican and Roman Catholic doctrine on this issue, which was also taught by the early church, is Scriptural.

But it is relevant to the thread, in that if we are to discuss the relationship between the Decalogue and the New Covenant, the Orthodox have an opinion on this and so do the Adventists, and it is not as though we are discussing some esoteric prophecy of Miller, White or various Orthodox monastics, which would be genuinely off-topic, but rather the heart of the matter is what the New Covenant is, and it is apparent that our two churches do not entirely agree on this subject, although I did try to show you that we do not entirely disagree, and this was misinterpreted as a criticism.
You keep bringing up what Adventist believe but if you notice, I never quote other Adventists as a source of my beliefs, or rarely and if I do its because people misquote them and I will only quote what was actually said. Our loyalty is to God, not a church and with shared church beliefs it usually means compromise and we are not to ever compromise God’s Truth for the sake of unity.

At any rate, back to the Covenant this is what God said

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

This is God’s personally written and spoken Testimony which I believe trumps all other understanding and it was written so plainly, I believe a young child can understand.

The Ten Commandments​

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

I believe God does not break His promises, so no editing as if there is anyone greater than God. Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18

God promised not to alter His Words

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Why the New Covenant is established on better promises Heb 8:6 never established on all new laws as most teach, we can’t make something perfect, more perfect Psa 19:7 why the NC still has God’s law now written on a better surface from tables of stone to tablets of the heart not breaking His promise of altering even a jot or tittle. Keeping them based on what God does, not in our own strength, it does require our cooperation, love and faith.
 
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You keep bringing up what Adventist believe but if you notice, I never quote other Adventists or rarely and if I do its because people misquote them and I will only quote what was actually said.

Would you say you disagree with SDA doctrine then in substantive ways?
 
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with love yes you can be unknowingly obeying the lase six commandments that are related to loving one another BUT what about the first four commandments about loving GOD, this is where Paul's epistles are lacking at times.
I'm sure Paul knew well that the two greatest commandments fulfilled the ten.
the new covenant is the same ad the Old covenant ( jer 31:31-33) but put in the hearts and minds and flesh of those who believe in God's and Jesus words and obey him by doing GOD's will.
Yes, and love is how He does it. The law, to put it another way, is based on God's love to begin with- whenever we break the law we're failing to love in some way or another. If we were perfected in love, we woud be sinless. Related to this, Basil of Caesarea, a 4th century bishop, had this to say,

“If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.”
 
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You keep bringing up what Adventist believe but if you notice, I never quote other Adventists or rarely and if I do its because people misquote them and I will only quote what was actually said. Our loyalty is to God, not a church and with shared beleifs it usually means comprisie and we are not to ever compromise God’s Truth.

At any rate, back to the Covenant this is what God said

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

This is God’s personally written and spoken Testimony which I believe trumps all other understanding and it was written so plainly, I believe a young child can understand.

The Ten Commandments​

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

I believe God does not break His promises, so no editing as if there is anyone greater than God. Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18

God promised not to alter His Words

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Why the New Covenant is established in better promises Heb 8:6 never established on all new laws as most teach, it still has God’s law now written on a better surface from tables of stone to tablets of the heart not breaking His promise of altering even a jot or tittle. Keeping them based on what God does, not in our own strength,

So how do you reconcile that with the teaching of St. Paul the Apostle in Galatians 3? Because it seems like what you are saying disagrees with Galatians ch. 3, and also with John ch. 3 and ch. 6, and with Matthew ch. 26, and with 1 Corinthians. But very specifically with Galatians 3.
 
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So how do you reconcile that with the teaching of St. Paul the Apostle in Galatians 3? Because it seems like what you are saying disagrees with Galatians ch. 3, and also with John ch. 3 and ch. 6, and with Matthew ch. 26, and with 1 Corinthians. But very specifically with Galatians 3.
Do you think Paul is claiming we don’t have keep the Ten Commandments and can sin Rom 7:7 and dishonor God Rom 2:21-23
and become an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8. Paul can be difficult to understand and should never be interpreted over what Jesus taught or kept.

Can you quote the verse you are referring to. The main theme of Galatians is about circumcision for salvation in which Paul is correcting, but if you have a verse in mind I am happy to discuss
 
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I'm sure Paul knew well that the two greatest commandments fulfilled the ten.

Yes, and love is how He does it. The law, to put it another way, is based on God's love to begin with- whenever we break the law we're failing to love in some way or another. If we were perfected in love, we woud be sinless. Related to this, Basil of Caesarea, a 4th century bishop, had this to say,

“If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.”

St. Basil the Great is one of the most important Church Fathers, much more important than St. Augustine of Hippo, and on the same level of importance as St. Athanasius the Great, St. Ignatius the Martyr, St. Polycarp, St. John Chrysostom, St. Gregory the Theologian, St. Irenaeus of Lyons, St. Ambrose of Milan, St. Cyprian of Carthage, St. Celestine, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Ephrem the Syrian, and St. John Cassian (who, many people forget, was actually the main opponent of Pelagius, although St. Augustine also valiantly opposed Pelagius, but specifically it was the theology of St. John Cassian that the early Church adopted in refutation of Pelagius.
 
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Do you think Paul is claiming we don’t have keep the Ten Commandments and can sin Rom 7:7 and dishonor God Rom 2:21-23
and become an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8. Paul can be difficult to understand and should never be interpreted over what Jesus taught or kept.

Can you quote the verse you are referring to. The main theme of Galatians is about circumcision for salvation in which Paul is correcting, but if you have a verse in mind I am happy to discuss

No, I asked you how you reconcile what you are saying with Galatians 3, specifically.

No serious scholar of St. Paul would say St. Paul is giving us a license to sin, but the issue is grace and forgiveness in the context of the New Covenant, which is what the Scriptures I referred to are about, and I don’t see how your argument that the decalogue is the New Covenant can be compatible with that.

What did Martin Luther get wrong?
 
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No, I asked you how you reconcile what you are saying with Galatians 3, specifically.

No serious scholar of St. Paul would say St. Paul is giving us a license to sin, but the issue is grace and forgiveness in the context of the New Covenant, which is what the Scriptures I referred to are about, and I don’t see how your argument that the decalogue is the New Covenant can be compatible with that.

What did Martin Luther get wrong?
Reconcile what with Galatians 3, the Ten Commandments? That God said He will not alter His Words- does Paul, the creation have more authority than God our Creator? Not according to Jesus Mat 28:18. I am confused what you are asking. Please give a specific Text and not a whole chapter and what you want reconciled.

Again, who said Paul is giving anyone a license to sin? I do not think you are reading my posts correctly and it’s not really making a very enjoyable discussion to keep defending what I never said. I said the opposite, Paul is not teaching one to sin So we can never reconcile Pauls teaching with being okay to break God’s commandments.
 
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Reconcile what with Galatians 3, the Ten Commandments? That God said He will not alter His Words- does Paul, the creation have more authority than God our Creator? Not according to Jesus Mat 28:18. I am confused what you are asking. Please give a specific Text and not a whole chapter and what you want reconciled.

Again, who said Paul is giving anyone a license to sin? I do not think you are reading my posts correctly and it’s not really making a very enjoyable discussion to keep defending what I never said. I said the opposite, Paul is not teaching one to sin So we can never reconcile Pauls teaching with being okay to break God’s commandments.

No, I want you to explain to me how your belief in what the New Covenant is does not contradict Galatians 3, which, for the record, is as follows:

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it beconfirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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No, I want you to explain to me how your belief in what the New Covenant is does not contradict Galatians 3, which, for the record, is as follows:

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it beconfirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So is it your belief the law Paul is referring to is the Ten Commandments and God who wrote and spoke them and placed them in our heart in the NC bewitched us?
 
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IMO, the real difference betwen the old and new covenants is reconcilialtion, and therefore union, with God. The law, itself, is right, holy, and good as Paul tells us in Rom 7, but it's unable to accomplish what only union with God can as the branch is now grafted into the Vine, 'apart from whom we can do nothing', via faith. Now with HIm 'I can do all things'; I can fulfill the law even as this may only be fully and absolutely completed in the next life, when I meet God and I know fully even as I am fully known-I Cor 13.
 
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So is it your belief the law Paul is referring to is the Ten Commandments and God who wrote and spoke them and placed them in our heart in the NC bewitched us?

Not at all, not by any means, God forbid.

But what do you believe St. Paul is saying in Galatians 3? And how do you support your interpretation of the New Covenant in light of it.
 
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IMO, the real difference betwen the old and new covenants is reconcilialtion, and therefore union, with God. The law, itself, is right, holy, and good as Paul tells us in Rom 7, but it's unable to accomplish what only union with God can as the branch is now grafted into the Vine, 'apart from whom we can do nothing', via faith. Now with HIm 'I can do all things'; I can fulfill the law even as this may only be fully and absolutely completed in the next life, when I meet God and I fully know even as I'm fully known-I Cor 13.

Indeed - in the new covenant, Theosis is possible. To quote St. Athanasius, God became man so that man could become god, meaning that we become by grace what Christ is by nature.

Naturally, theosis includes deliverance from sin, since God is by definition incapable of sin, since sin is a disease that consists of a misalignment between our will and that of God, which causes us to experience the burning fire of His love as wrath.
 
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Not at all, not by any means, God forbid.

But what do you believe St. Paul is saying in Galatians 3? And how do you support your interpretation of the New Covenant in light of it.
In regards to what? Gods Ten Commandments and His law written in our hearts and mind. Heb 8:10 You just said that’s not the law Paul is referring to so not sure I am understanding what you’re asking.
 
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Maria, Show me scripture that defines what the new covenant is, I assure you it is the 10 commandments but kept in our hearts and minds always just as described in Jeremiah and Hebrews, anything else is adding to scripture, but yes the 10 commandments all have to do with love, first of GOD with all out might them to love our fellow man as ourselves, the commandments rest on this entirely.

Blessings.
It is quite clear that in order to be recognized as one of His Disciples, one must follow His new commandments not the old commandments given to a defiant nation written in stone. That being said, there is nothing in the old commandments that can be called unreasonable we are just not under it . The law of Love is what we are under now.

So when he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. 32If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately. 33Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come,’ so now I say to you. 34A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” Jesus Christ of Nazareth

Paul's confirmation:


* Romans 13:8-10:
"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

In conclusion, the only way to achieve this type of Love is to receive His Holy Spirit so that Jesus Christ of Nazareth makes His Home in you. The law written on stone is not the way.
 
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It is quite clear that in order to be recognized as one of His Disciples, one must follow His new commandments not the old commandments given to a defiant nation written in stone. That being said, there is nothing in the old commandments that can be called unreasonable we are just not under it . The law of Love is what we are under now.

So when he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. 32If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately. 33Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come,’ so now I say to you. 34A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” Jesus Christ of Nazareth

Paul's confirmation:


* Romans 13:8-10:
"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

In conclusion, the only way to achieve this type of Love is to receive His Holy Spirit so that Jesus Christ of Nazareth makes His Home in you. The law written on stone is not the way.
I’m confused, you said we must follow His new commandments, yet quoted the commandments from the Ten Commandments. So are we okay in the NC worshipping other gods, not using Gods name in a holy manner, bowing to false idols, not keeping God’s Sabbath day holy, stealing, coveting, committing adultery etc. These are not new commandments, yet no where does it say we can break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19

Are you saying if we no longer keep the Ten Commandments that’s how we show love to God and our neighbor? When Paul quoted from the Ten Commandments on the commandments pertaining to love to our neighbor he said its summarizes how to love our neighbor, not deletes how to do so.

1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
John 15:10 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Same commandments Jesus kept and taught who is our example

1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
 
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I’m confused, you said we must follow His new commandments, yet quoted the commandments from the Ten Commandments. So are we okay in the NC worshipping other gods, not using Gods name in a holy manner, bowing to false idols, not keeping God’s Sabbath day holy, stealing, coveting, committing adultery etc. These are not new commandments, yet no where saying we can break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19
Humm? Not my quote, it's Paul's and obviously he did not quote all of them which are 613. Jews knew their 10 commandments.
 
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In regards to what? Gods Ten Commandments and His law written in our hearts and mind. Heb 8:10 You just said that’s not the law Paul is referring to so not sure I am understanding what you’re asking.

What I am asking is how you reconcile your belief that the New Covenant is the Decalogue with Galatians 3, as stated earlier. And also, while we’re at it, with the other scriptures I mentioned.

Since it is clear that Galatians 3 deprecates the Law as a source of holiness or salvation. This does not equal a license to sin, this point must be stressed, but rather a focus on grace, which is integral to what Scripture actually says about the New Covenant.
 
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Humm? Not my quote, it's Paul's and obviously he did not quote all of them which are 613. Jews knew their 10 commandments.
Can you please provide the Text for that.

The commandments Paul quoted from to define the one of the greatest commandments to love thy neighbor were from the Ten Commandments

God numbered His commandments by design and the number I see is Ten, not 614

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

If the second greatest commandments come directly from the Ten Commandments on how we love our neighbor, it only makes sense the greatest commandments on how we love God with all our soul and might come from this same unit of Ten. I can’t imagine the greatest commandments would include we can worship other gods coming right from the Ten Commandments. No wonder Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these mat 5:19-30
 
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