The Rich Merchants in the True Structuring of the Revelation

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, how and when does the little horn person meet his end ?

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

What happens to the beast king in Revelation 19:20 ? Is he destroyed by human means ?

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

Under the law, judgment precedes punishment. Her punishment is to receive the plagues and to be burned when the ten kings receive their power.

Jerry, you don't see the word punishment any where in Revelation 17. The judgement is the destruction of the woman turned prostitute. The destruction of the Vatican will be by the ten kings at the time of the beast-king's rule.

 

[Douggg]

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

You're turning a blind eye to the unequivacal evidence.

The leaders of nations still try to accomodate the Vatican for political gain.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, you don't see the word punishment any where in Revelation 17. The judgement is the destruction of the woman turned prostitute. The destruction of the Vatican will be by the ten kings at the time of the beast-king's rule.

That is ignorance of the law. Judgment is always rendered before punishment. Educate yourself on the law of the Old Testament. Even man's laws agree.

You can't avoid it. You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentations, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

Still no accurate answer but only denials of the truth.

 

[Douggg]

That is ignorance of the law. Judgment is always rendered before punishment. Educate yourself on the law of the Old Testament. Even man's laws agree.

So you are saying that the angel made a mistake by not using the word punishment in Revelation 17:16 ? Jerry, I think you are the one making the mistake. The Vatican located in Rome is still standing, the Popes carry a lot of influence with the leaders of the nations, and the RCC is world wide.

 

[Douggg]

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

Jerry, asking the same faulty question over and over does not make it any less faulty.

According to the text of Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings, not just 6 kings, that precede king 8, the beast king. You misreprent me, because I never said there are just 6 kings that precede king 8, the beast king.

Repackage your question according to the text and according to what I believe - 7 kings, not just 6 kings.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

So you are saying that the angel made a mistake by not using the word punishment in Revelation 17:16 ? Jerry, I think you are the one making the mistake. The Vatican located in Rome is still standing, the Popes carry a lot of influence with the leaders of the nations, and the RCC is world wide.

No, I'm saying you're ignorant of the law. Judgment is always rendered before punishment. Educate yourself on the law of the Old Testament. Even man's laws agree.

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

You're turning a blind eye to the unequivocal evidence.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, asking the same faulty question over and over does not make it any less faulty.

According to the text of Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings, not just 6 kings, that precede king 8, the beast king. You misreprent me, because I never said there are just 6 kings that precede king 8, the beast king.

Repackage your question according to the text and according to what I believe - 7 kings, not just 6 kings.

Not being able to see your misrepresentations is your fault, not mine.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

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[Douggg]

Not being able to see your misrepresentations is your fault, not mine.

I see your misrepresentations of what Revelation 17:10 says, and what I believe.

I am saying repackage your question according to the text of Revelation 17:10 and according to what I believe - 7 kings, not just 6 kings. There are 7 kings in the text.

How many kings does it say?

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

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You are not objective at all. You're all about feelings and avoiding the evidence.

Judgment is always rendered before punishment. Educate yourself on the law of the Old Testament. Even man's laws agree.

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

You're turning a blind eye to the unequivocal evidence.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

I see your misrepresentations of what Revelation 17:10 says, and what I believe.

I am saying repackage your question according to the text of Revelation 17:10 and according to what I believe - 7 kings, not just 6 kings. There are 7 kings in the text.

I don't have to. It's you who lacks wisdom.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

How many kings does it say in verse 10? You still haven't answered that.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Your question is flawed. Ask a question that fits with what the text says. Seven kings, not just six.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

How many kings does it say in verse 10? You still haven't answered that.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Your question is flawed. Ask a question that fits with what the text says. Seven kings, not just six.

No, you're evading that the verse says the sixth king "is," which establishes the perspective in time in which the eighth "was, and is not," in the next verse. That makes the eighth king the revival of one of the five that are fallen. He "was, and is not" during the time of the sixth and seventh kings.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

How many kings does it say in verse 10? You still haven't answered that.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Your question is flawed. Ask a question that fits with what the text says. Seven kings, not just six.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

How many kings does it say in verse 10? You still haven't answered that.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Your question is flawed. Ask a question that fits with what the text says. Seven kings, not just six.

I answered it. You just don't like the answer because it destroys your misrepresentations. The seventh king is addressed in my answer, and it destroys your twisting of the passage.

The verse says the sixth king "is," which establishes the perspective in time in which the eighth "was, and is not," in the next verse. That makes the eighth king the revival of one of the five that are fallen. He "was, and is not" during the time of the sixth and seventh kings.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Jerryhuerta]

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There you go with your silly pictures again, just like Keras said.

I answered your query. You just don't like the answer because it destroys your misrepresentations. The seventh king is addressed in my answer, and it destroys your twisting of the passage.

The verse says the sixth king "is," which establishes the perspective in time in which the eighth "was, and is not," in the next verse. That makes the eighth king the revival of one of the five that are fallen. He "was, and is not" during the time of the sixth and seventh kings.

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

I answered it. You just don't like the answer because it destroys your misrepresentations.

No, you did not. You did not say 7 kings, like it says in the text. You are still saying 6 kings.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

How many kings does it say in verse 10? You still haven't answered that.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Your question is flawed. Ask a question that fits with what the text says. Seven kings, not just six.

 

[Douggg]

There are 7 kings in the text. The woman turned harlot, the Vatican, still has not been burned to ground, and is active in the world today.

King 7, the end times little horn person will be killed and brought back to life as king 8, the beast-king. The ten kings who destroy the Vatican will do so at the time of the 42 month beast king's rule. Still future.