The Rich Merchants in the True Structuring of the Revelation

[Jerryhuerta]

I have no idea of what you trying to communicate.

There is not "harlot Babylon". Use the terms in the text, Jerry.

verse 9 - The woman turned prostitute sits in the location of seven mountains (the location is Rome, I think we can agree on Rome being the location).

When the ten kings are ruling with the beast-king, then the ten kings will destroy the woman. Revelation 17:16. The Vatican is still there, Jerry. It has not happened yet because the beast-king is future, as well as, the ten kings. Although close.

You're just trying to change the subject, Douglas. It's just like when I use the term "sea beast." You know what I mean; you're just trying to get out of answering the questions that expose your misrepresentations.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

The king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

I don't know what you are talking about.

Copy and paste the verses - and color highlight exactly what text you are referring to.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

I don't know what you are talking about.

Copy and paste the verses - and color highlight exactly what text you are referring to.

Don't try and get out of it by feigning obliviousness. If you can't understand English, you should be trying to instruct anyone.

You know what I mean; you're just trying to get out of answering the questions that expose your misrepresentations.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

The king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Douggg]

The king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king.

Not correct. The woman turned harlot will be destroyed by fire when the eighth king, the beast-king is in power. Revelation 17:16-18.

It is future, Jerry. The proof is that the Vatican is still standing.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

Jerry, biblically identify who the 7th king will be. There are seven kings before there can be an eighth king.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Not correct. The woman turned harlot will be destroyed by fire when the eighth king, the beast-king is in power. Revelation 17:16-18.

It is future, Jerry. The proof is that the Vatican is still standing.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The text says she is judged.

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot (first verse)​

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Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

The power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, biblically identify who the 7th king will be. There are seven kings before there can be an eighth king.

No, you prophesy and tell us “who” specifically he is. You claim to be the prophet here, not I.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, biblically identify who the 7th king will be. There are seven kings before there can be an eighth king.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

 

[Douggg]

Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

No, the ten kings are not in power (have their crowns) until the beast-king is in power with 42 months left in the 7years.

The ten kings in Revelation 17:16 are who destroy the woman turned prostitute. So they must be in power at the time it happens.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

Jerry, there cannot be a eighth king until there is a seventh king before him. Who is the seventh king?

1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. ??????????

The beast-king, king 8, is of the 7. Who is king 7 ?

 

[Douggg]

No, you prophesy and tell us “who” specifically he is. You claim to be the prophet here, not I.

I have never claimed to be a prophet.

I have already stated many times. King 7 is the time of the end little horn person of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7.

The little horn person will be killed and comes back to life to become king 8, the beast-king. The ten kings of Daniel 7 will rule with him for his 42 months of rule - in Revelation 13. Revelation 13 is when the ten horns have their crowns. The ten kings will at the time of the beast-king burn the Vatican to the ground.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

No, the ten kings are not in power (have their crowns) until the beast-king is in power with 42 months left in the 7years.

The ten kings in Revelation 17:16 are who destroy the woman turned prostitute. So they must be in power at the time it happens.

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Jerry, there cannot be a eighth king until there is a seventh king before him. Who is the seventh king?

1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. ??????????

The beast-king, king 8, is of the 7. Who is king 7 ?

You can't get out of it; the text says the harlot is judged at the same time the sixth king "is."

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot (first verse)​

Under the law, judgment proceeds punishment. Her punishment it to receive the plagues and to be burned when the ten kings receive their power.

Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

The power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

I have never claimed to be a prophet.

I have already stated many times. King 7 is the time of the end little horn person of Daniel 8 and Daniel 7.

The little horn person will be killed and comes back to life to become king 8, the beast-king. The ten kings of Daniel 7 will rule with him for his 42 months of rule - in Revelation 13. Revelation 13 is when the ten horns have their crowns. The ten kings will at the time of the beast-king burn the Vatican to the ground.

That's what futurists do; tell us what's going to happen. Historicists tell us what has happened, and then we can determine what is happening and, to some degree, what will happen.

Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together. (Isaiah 41:21-23)​

Riddle me this, how can the angel state a king "was" and another "is" and another "will be" if we can't determine the "perspective of time" from the one that "is?" Those who can't grasp this are without wisdom.

 

[Douggg]

The text says she is judged.

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot (first verse)Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

Verse 1 say that the great harlot will be judged. It does not say when in verse 1.

Judgement is not rendered onto the woman until Revelation 17:16. when the ten kings are in power and ruling with the beast king - king 8.

The Vatican is still standing, as proof that the judgment has not occurred yet.

 

[Douggg]

You can't get out of it; the text says the harlot is judged at the same time the sixth king "is."

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot (first verse)​

Under the law, judgment proceeds punishment. Her punishment it to receive the plagues and to be burned when the ten kings receive their power.

Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

The power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

Jerry, the Vatican is still standing. And the RCC under the control of the Vatican is world wide. There is still a Pope in power today.

None of the previous historic Roman Empire kings will be the end-times beast-king. King 7, the end times little horn will become king 8, the beast-king.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Verse 1 say that the great harlot will be judged. It does not say when in verse 1.

The woman is not judged until Revelation 17:16. when the ten kings are in power and ruling with the beast king - king 8.

The Vatican is still standing, as proof that the judgment has not occurred yet.

Verse 1 say that the great harlot will be judged. It does not say when in verse 1.

The woman is not judged until Revelation 17:16. when the ten kings are in power and ruling with the beast king - king 8.

The Vatican is still standing, as proof that the judgment has not occurred yet.

Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot (first verse)​

Under the law, judgment precedes punishment. Her punishment is to receive the plagues and to be burned when the ten kings receive their power.

Again, the king that is in power when the harlot Babylon is judged is the sixth king; duh, that’s what it means when the angel says he “is” in verse 10. From that “perspective in time,” the ten horns are also without crowns.

And from that same “perspective in time,” the eighth head had previously held power, conveyed by the angel stating he “was, and is not.”

You’re trying to change the “perspective of time” from the “future” to the “past” in determining the king that “is.” And therein lies all your misrepresentation, like every futurist.

The power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon.

So, if the sixth kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, according to your convoluted interpretation, how is it that the future antichrist preceded Nero according to verses 9-11? You still haven’t answered that.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, the Vatican is still standing. And the RCC under the control of the Vatican is world wide. There is still a Pope in power today.

None of the previous historic Roman Empire kings will be the end-times beast-king. King 7, the end times little horn will become king 8, the beast-king.

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

 

[Douggg]

Jerry, how and when does the little horn person meet his end ?

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

What happens to the beast king in Revelation 19:20 ? Is he destroyed by human means ?

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Douggg]

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

Jerry, if the power of the papacy was broken - there would be no Pope today, and no RCC church, and no Vatican.

What is this a picture of, Jerry ?

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, how and when does the little horn person meet his end ?

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

What happens to the beast king in Revelation 19:20 ? Is he destroyed by human means ?

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

Jerry, if the power of the papacy was broken - there would be no Pope today, and no RCC church, and no Vatican.

Jerry, if the power of the papacy was broken - there would be no Pope today, and no RCC church, and no Vatican.

The papacy does not legitimize kings today; the power of the papacy was broken by Protestantism, which secularized society and enriched the merchants as the harlot Babylon. The papacy made kings bow before it as if it were God in blasphemy before Protestantism destroyed its power.

You're turning a blind eye to the unequivacal evidence.